Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[ShapurII]

So another ineffective wave with no hits? PGCC still has plenty of interceptors and IRGC has no strategy.

I'm sure there were some hits as usual, but yeah, the IRGC has no strategy and the Persian Gulf kinglets still have plenty of interceptors. So does Israel. On the other hand, Iran hasn't done a true swarm attack of drones in a long time.

 

[Watandar]

I respect you, man. I truly do, but I stopped reading after you said Europe had begun "courting Turkey as an alternative to the US" lol

Why do you find this funny ? Turkey has a large army, a large air force and a budding MIC. Europe sees Turkish troops replacing US troops and a joint Europe-Turkish MIC eventually replacing US weapons. Turks are desperate to be accepted as Europeans since Ataturk days so they happily go along.

We have drifted off topic so I will stop there.

 

[Feroze]

Why do you find this funny ? Turkey has a large army, a large air force and a budding MIC. Europe sees Turkish troops replacing US troops and a joint Europe-Turkish MIC replacing US weapons. Turks are desperate to be accepted as Europeans since Ataturk days so they happily go along.

Ha! Ataturk is a humiliation for Turkey. Sure their country is more developed than the Arab ones, but who wants to be European? lol.

 

[Shags101]

So another ineffective wave with no hits? PGCC still has plenty of interceptors and IRGC has no strategy.

…….so if you believe that I have a bridge to sell you or maybe some magic beans will be to your liking or maybe a time share on the moon…….man are you just finally getting in this thread Kuwait Bahrain Saudi Arabia Qatar Jordan and Israel all have like 99.9999 percent interception rates seriously night that’s why I hate when my wife leaves town she can’t tell me to go to sleep

 

[ShapurII]

Why do you find this funny ? Turkey has a large army, a large air force and a budding MIC. Europe sees Turkish troops replacing US troops and a joint Europe-Turkish MIC eventually replacing US weapons. Turks are desperate to be accepted as Europeans since Ataturk days so they happily go along.

We have drifted off topic so I will stop there.

My dear friend, Turkey is not even an alternative to tiny Israel, not even Tel Aviv, let alone countries like the UK or the US.

If Europe ever decides to look for an alternative to the US, which I am certain they are not at this moment, they will look towards the UK, France or at last Germany. The UK is a major global power with a permanent UNSC seat and large stockpile of megaton nukes and colonies around the world, and it already has domestic capabilities in advanced lithography and is at the edge of science and technology in the world. Turkey is decades behind these countries in every important aspect lol But I agree, we're off-topic.

 

[Feroze]

My dear friend, Turkey is not even an alternative to tiny Israel, not even Tel Aviv, let alone countries like the UK or the US.

If Europe ever decides to look for an alternative to the US, which I am certain they are not at this moment, they will look towards the UK, France or at last Germany. The UK is a major global power with a permanent UNSC seat and large stockpile of megaton nukes and colonies around the world, and it already has domestic capabilities in advanced lithography and is at the edge of science and technology in the world. Turkey is decades behind these countries in every important aspect lol But I agree, we're off-topic.

Come on that tiny Israel is no match for the large country of Turkey. lol.

Tiny little Israel.

 

[ShapurII]

…….so if you believe that I have a bridge to sell you or maybe some magic beans will be to your liking or maybe a time share on the moon…….man are you just finally getting in this thread Kuwait Bahrain Saudi Arabia Qatar Jordan and Israel all have like 99.9999 percent interception rates seriously night that’s why I hate when my wife leaves town she can’t tell me to go to sleep

Would it change anything if the interception rate was 50% instead of 99.9999% per your claim?

Iran is firing too few missiles to make a meaningful impact. What do you think 10 impacts will do to a large military base? Sure, we have destroyed American radars and that will take years to resupply, but the US main concern isn't defense as we have proven incapable of killing tens of Americans. We need to establish deterrence or at least destroy their offensive capabilities, which isn't going to happen with 10 hits.

 

[ShapurII]

Come on that tiny Israel is no match for the large country of Turkey. lol.

Tiny little Israel.

Tiny little Israel is at the forefront of microchips and semiconductors. Intel, NVIDIA, Apple, Microsoft, all have their research centers and production factories at Israel. See the difference?

This is the 21st century. It's the age of AI, 2nm lithography and brain implants. This isn't 1945 anymore.

 

[Watandar]

Tiny little Israel is at the forefront of microchips and semiconductors. Intel, NVIDIA, Apple, Microsoft, all have their research centers and production factories at Israel. See the difference?

That has less to do with Israel and more to do with American subsidies and allowing Israel to steal.

 

[ShapurII]

That has less to do with Israel and more to do with American subsidies and allowing Israel to steal.

Obviously, but it doesn't reject my statement that Turkey is nowhere close to even tiny Israel, let alone countries like the UK, France or even castrated Germany. Anyway, we're off topic.

 

[BigMela2onin]

…….so if you believe that I have a bridge to sell you or maybe some magic beans will be to your liking or maybe a time share on the moon…….man are you just finally getting in this thread Kuwait Bahrain Saudi Arabia Qatar Jordan and Israel all have like 99.9999 percent interception rates seriously night that’s why I hate when my wife leaves town she can’t tell me to go to sleep

So what was hit? If IRGC decided to hit more empty hangars and warehouses after they bombed bridges, power plants, and civilian infrastructure, they might as well not fire back. Right now there is zero cost to US aggression so it will continue, it's not that complicated. The US called their bluff and they were right.

 

[Shags101]

Would it change anything if the interception rate was 50% instead of 99.9999% per your claim?

Iran is firing too few missiles to make a meaningful impact. What do you think 10 impacts will do to a large military base? Sure, we have destroyed American radars and that will take years to resupply, but the US main concern isn't defense as we have proven incapable of killing tens of Americans. We need to establish deterrence or at least destroy their offensive capabilities, which isn't going to happen with 10 hits.

Well to be fair most of those bases were evacuated and unless Iran attacked those hotel high rises with civilians used as human shields it wasn’t going to go down like that yeah I would take multiple planes vehicles and bases with high tech equipment blown apart than dead soldiers yeah what do you want all those bases have been evacuated they’re taking cover behind civilians end of the day I don’t see hundreds of thousands troops readying for a land invasion nor would they dare because that would really make them a sitting duck I don’t see them taking over islands as they have threatened because again soldiers would be put in harms way no daring uranium extraction.
I’m really going to sleep but you kind of are a pessimist I’m a glass half full kind of guy night

 

[Shags101]

So what was hit? If IRGC decided to hit more empty hangars and warehouses after they bombed bridges, power plants, and civilian infrastructure, they might as well not fire back. Right now there is zero cost to US aggression so it will continue, it's not that complicated.

Ask Bahrain and Kuwait to allow there people to photograph sites without risk of imprisonment or worse again new on this thread but usually takes a day or 2 to find out what was hit night

 

[KAL-EL]

Tiny little Israel is at the forefront of microchips and semiconductors. Intel, NVIDIA, Apple, Microsoft, all have their research centers and production factories at Israel. See the difference?

This is the 21st century. It's the age of AI, 2nm lithography and brain implants. This isn't 1945 anymore.

Not to mention it's nuclear deterrent. That 'tiny little Israel: could make most of the Middle East uninhabitable if a Samson option event occurred.

Some here might not want to hear it but you laid it out exactly with all the technological stuff going on there. It's the 21st century

 

[ShapurII]

Well to be fair most of those bases were evacuated and unless Iran attacked those hotel high rises with civilians used as human shields it wasn’t going to go down like that yeah I would take multiple planes vehicles and bases with high tech equipment blown apart than dead soldiers yeah what do you want all those bases have been evacuated they’re taking cover behind civilians end of the day I don’t see hundreds of thousands troops readying for a land invasion nor would they dare because that would really make them a sitting duck I don’t see them taking over islands as they have threatened because again soldiers would be put in harms way no daring uranium extraction.
I’m really going to sleep but you kind of are a pessimist I’m a glass half full kind of guy night

Somebody must be operating at those bases. If the USAF is using those bases to launch attacks on Iran and fire SRBMs at us, somebody must be there. It's not like those bases are completely evacuated and ghost towns. They're operated with minimal personnel, but not with zero personnel, I believe.

The point is that Iran lacks real-time intelligence to have meaningful impacts with just missiles and subsonic drones. Our only meaningful impacts in the war came from the outdated IRIAF where one F-5 killed over 5 American soldiers in a single strike, because they were caught surprised and they didn't have 5-10 minutes to hide in their bunkers before the bombs dropped on them.

Yeah, I have continuously said that extracting the HEU in Iran is some sort of mission impossible nonsense. It won't happen because it is too risky, too complicated and will most likely fail and lead to a catastrophe like Operation Desert Storm. However, I do not think Iran is in a position to defend all its southern territory in case of a massive attack.

I'm not a pessimist, I try to be a realist. Sometimes I fail like every other person does, but I do not let emotions or preferences cloud my judgement. Goodnight.