Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Oldenwisdom...قول بزرگ]

I wouldn't be so sure about a potential NATO involvement. You're underestimating European submissiveness to America. Bear in mind that Europe's refusal to enter the war in the past was due to the fact that they didn't see a clear benefit. If the equation changes and they see a net profit for Europe, they will not hesitate to attack Iran. I fear they also convinced Erdoğan to remain neutral in exchange for an array of concessions.

He was on a special tour to weave a web around Erdogan... ipso facto an op! He was the one who removed Turkiye from the F 35 program and put sanctions on Turkiye... refused to provide advanced air defense...

What changed?

In fact, everything that he did back then ... stands true today, more so... zion wanted monopoly over power back then... more so today. They still sell the same victim snake oil... it doesn't sell anymore... even the cover is blown.
So why charm Erdogan? Turkiye as everyone else will wait till the other shoe drops. While US will restrain and sanction Turkiye to back off and absorb the blows while zion throws a few punches!
Second, the Ukrainian front is getting heated... Russia may escalate as the pain threshold keep increasing and they know they're fighting NATO. Turkiye may be needed on that front as well? Do Turks want to be a Canon fodder... on the front lines...it will become too complicated for Ankara unless they put their foot down and don't get carried away. As for Iran... NATO isn't going to take on Iran!.. at best the support systems as US already uses... if oil tanker traffic remains plugged till the end of September there wouldn't be much recourse for mid terms... even if he wants to distract voters... or another ruse for MAGA in the form of communist threat. Laying groundwork for battlefield America as the poor reel under the thumb of organized money manipulating cartels... swapping one thing for another... and try to kick the can one last time.

 

[BigMela2onin]

Kuwait and Bahrain repel fresh attacks amid escalating Iran-US confrontation​

So another ineffective wave with no hits? PGCC still has plenty of interceptors and IRGC has no strategy.

 

[ShapurII]

I beg to disagree. The Europeans are doing a LOT for indigenous programs in weapons, satellites and intelligence sharing, some countries are furiously rearming like Poland and Germany, and Europe has begun heavily courting Turkey as an alternative to the US. They are doing this quietly hence people have not noticed. Still it will take Europe 15 to 25 years to end its dependence on the US. We are getting off topic so I will stop there.

I respect you, man. I truly do, but I stopped reading after you said Europe had begun "courting Turkey as an alternative to the US" lol

 

[shapurzolaktaf]

Any real sources? Any statements by the supposedly targeted nations taking about interceptions?

IRGC claimed attacks on Kuwait and Bahrain (Al-Jazeera).

 

[ShapurII]

So another ineffective wave with no hits? PGCC still has plenty of interceptors and IRGC has no strategy.

I'm sure there were some hits as usual, but yeah, the IRGC has no strategy and the Persian Gulf kinglets still have plenty of interceptors. So does Israel. On the other hand, Iran hasn't done a true swarm attack of drones in a long time.

 

[Watandar]

I respect you, man. I truly do, but I stopped reading after you said Europe had begun "courting Turkey as an alternative to the US" lol

Why do you find this funny ? Turkey has a large army, a large air force and a budding MIC. Europe sees Turkish troops replacing US troops and a joint Europe-Turkish MIC eventually replacing US weapons. Turks are desperate to be accepted as Europeans since Ataturk days so they happily go along.

We have drifted off topic so I will stop there.

 

[Feroze]

Why do you find this funny ? Turkey has a large army, a large air force and a budding MIC. Europe sees Turkish troops replacing US troops and a joint Europe-Turkish MIC replacing US weapons. Turks are desperate to be accepted as Europeans since Ataturk days so they happily go along.

Ha! Ataturk is a humiliation for Turkey. Sure their country is more developed than the Arab ones, but who wants to be European? lol.

 

[Shags101]

So another ineffective wave with no hits? PGCC still has plenty of interceptors and IRGC has no strategy.

…….so if you believe that I have a bridge to sell you or maybe some magic beans will be to your liking or maybe a time share on the moon…….man are you just finally getting in this thread Kuwait Bahrain Saudi Arabia Qatar Jordan and Israel all have like 99.9999 percent interception rates seriously night that’s why I hate when my wife leaves town she can’t tell me to go to sleep

 

[ShapurII]

Why do you find this funny ? Turkey has a large army, a large air force and a budding MIC. Europe sees Turkish troops replacing US troops and a joint Europe-Turkish MIC eventually replacing US weapons. Turks are desperate to be accepted as Europeans since Ataturk days so they happily go along.

We have drifted off topic so I will stop there.

My dear friend, Turkey is not even an alternative to tiny Israel, not even Tel Aviv, let alone countries like the UK or the US.

If Europe ever decides to look for an alternative to the US, which I am certain they are not at this moment, they will look towards the UK, France or at last Germany. The UK is a major global power with a permanent UNSC seat and large stockpile of megaton nukes and colonies around the world, and it already has domestic capabilities in advanced lithography and is at the edge of science and technology in the world. Turkey is decades behind these countries in every important aspect lol But I agree, we're off-topic.

 

[Feroze]

My dear friend, Turkey is not even an alternative to tiny Israel, not even Tel Aviv, let alone countries like the UK or the US.

If Europe ever decides to look for an alternative to the US, which I am certain they are not at this moment, they will look towards the UK, France or at last Germany. The UK is a major global power with a permanent UNSC seat and large stockpile of megaton nukes and colonies around the world, and it already has domestic capabilities in advanced lithography and is at the edge of science and technology in the world. Turkey is decades behind these countries in every important aspect lol But I agree, we're off-topic.

Come on that tiny Israel is no match for the large country of Turkey. lol.

Tiny little Israel.

 

[ShapurII]

…….so if you believe that I have a bridge to sell you or maybe some magic beans will be to your liking or maybe a time share on the moon…….man are you just finally getting in this thread Kuwait Bahrain Saudi Arabia Qatar Jordan and Israel all have like 99.9999 percent interception rates seriously night that’s why I hate when my wife leaves town she can’t tell me to go to sleep

Would it change anything if the interception rate was 50% instead of 99.9999% per your claim?

Iran is firing too few missiles to make a meaningful impact. What do you think 10 impacts will do to a large military base? Sure, we have destroyed American radars and that will take years to resupply, but the US main concern isn't defense as we have proven incapable of killing tens of Americans. We need to establish deterrence or at least destroy their offensive capabilities, which isn't going to happen with 10 hits.

 

[ShapurII]

Come on that tiny Israel is no match for the large country of Turkey. lol.

Tiny little Israel.

Tiny little Israel is at the forefront of microchips and semiconductors. Intel, NVIDIA, Apple, Microsoft, all have their research centers and production factories at Israel. See the difference?

This is the 21st century. It's the age of AI, 2nm lithography and brain implants. This isn't 1945 anymore.

 

[Watandar]

Tiny little Israel is at the forefront of microchips and semiconductors. Intel, NVIDIA, Apple, Microsoft, all have their research centers and production factories at Israel. See the difference?

That has less to do with Israel and more to do with American subsidies and allowing Israel to steal.

 

[ShapurII]

That has less to do with Israel and more to do with American subsidies and allowing Israel to steal.

Obviously, but it doesn't reject my statement that Turkey is nowhere close to even tiny Israel, let alone countries like the UK, France or even castrated Germany. Anyway, we're off topic.

 

[BigMela2onin]

…….so if you believe that I have a bridge to sell you or maybe some magic beans will be to your liking or maybe a time share on the moon…….man are you just finally getting in this thread Kuwait Bahrain Saudi Arabia Qatar Jordan and Israel all have like 99.9999 percent interception rates seriously night that’s why I hate when my wife leaves town she can’t tell me to go to sleep

So what was hit? If IRGC decided to hit more empty hangars and warehouses after they bombed bridges, power plants, and civilian infrastructure, they might as well not fire back. Right now there is zero cost to US aggression so it will continue, it's not that complicated. The US called their bluff and they were right.