Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[kobra]

 

[030292]

We do not need to make oil cheap enough for you. You signed a deal, knowing the price. You signed a contract, you broke it. As simple as that.

You have to realize that if the regime of Iran is changed, the contract you have broken will be grounds for reparations. Billions of dollars of reparations + interest.

That is a fair point but i think your tone is bit harsh, im 100% sure 99% of the pakistani population supports iran in their jihad against zionists, its just that we are too poor and debt ridden to west to act on it, in any other timeline you would be seeing pakistan and iran fighting side by side against the zionists.

 

[PakistanLVR]

"We think they wouldn't have honored the MOU, so we blew it up ourselves". That's your argument? You think they will honor anything of it now? What now then? Some nonsensical fantasies of US' complete capitulation?

If Iran is able to only get rid of the sanctions, it will have won. It should've taken what it had achieved and ran with it.



And it's not right now? Weren't you touting the MOU as a total Iranian win a few days ago? It was. Time to grow up and notice the actual argument. Naive to expect others to share your emotions or unquestioning fealty on the matter.



Everyone knows who and what caused this. Whatever moral arguments you want to placate your own emotions by, do not serve Iran in a war not ruled by them.



Can this regional power hold this control beyond the war? Not whether it should or you wish it could.

That bastard 8k miles away can bring overwhelming force anywhere it wants, and ironically has no less moral justification to it than Iran for controlling Omani waters.

Don’t think I was cheering on the MOU. Didn’t even know what was in it. I thought it was a mistake. For all Muslims sake, Iran should’ve leveled the “Sunnis” countries oil infrastructure as they’ve enabled and supported the destructions of many Muslims across the Islamic world. I’m all for it!

 

[ShapurII]

we agree Pakistani leaders can be purchase So you think Saudis can buy Pakistani leaders but Iranians cant or wont pay the price required

Bro, this isn't an auction where you sell your services to the highest bidder.

 

[Aryan_B]

No, it cannot be "set aside" lmao It can be annulled by a court of law for misconduct or justified reasons, not unilaterally, citing US sanctions.

Of ocurse it can be set aside if there are terms in it that allow it

Bro, this isn't an auction where you sell your services to the highest bidder.

but i think they can be bought what you think US does pays Egypt 2 bill and what 500 mill a year to Jordan etc you think its free money lol

and saudi pay pakistan lol what are these payments?

 

[ShapurII]

That is a fair point but i think your tone is bit harsh, im 100% sure 99% of the pakistani population supports iran in their jihad against zionists, its just that we are too poor and debt ridden to west to act on it, in any other timeline you would be seeing pakistan and iran fighting side by side against the zionists.

I am absolutely OK with Pakistan pursuing her own interests. This is what normal countries do and I do not blame the Pakistanis for that.

I am not a big fan of Iran's foreign policy and I think it has caused so much unnecessary suffering to Iranians for a lost cause. The last thing I want is for Pakistan to follow our stupid path and cause more suffering for the people of Pakistan.

However, the excuse that Pakistan has a right to ask Iran for cheap oil after Pakistan refused to fulfill a signed contract citing the US sanctions is pretty annoying.

 

[Bratva]

When the top cadre of officials all meet in Khamenei’s unprotected house during war time, rather than a bunker like in every other country in the world, what can you expect?

And when they do get protection they ignore protocols.

You can't reason with boomers or change their mentality when it comes to technology or taking precautions.

 

[Aryan_B]

However, the excuse that Pakistan has a right to ask Iran for cheap oil after Pakistan refused to fulfill a signed contract citing the US sanctions is pretty annoying.

cheaper oil would have made pakistan more prepared to put up with american sanctions.

 

[ShapurII]

Of ocurse it can be set aside if there are terms in it that allow it

Cite those "terms" that allow it to be set aside then.

but i think they can be bought what you think US does pays Egypt 2 bill and what 500 mill a year to Jordan etc you think its free money lol

and saudi pay pakistan lol what are these payments?

Of course they can be bought, but not an auction where a country offers some money and the other side offers more lol

 

[Aryan_B]

Cite those "terms" that allow it to be set aside then.


Of course they can be bought, but not an auction where a country offers some money and the other side offers more lol

looks like it where I am sitting lol they can be subtle I suppose

 

[ShapurII]

cheaper oil would have made pakistan more prepared to put up with american sanctions.

lol Stop trolling, bro.

On a side note, there's no amount of oil that can save Pakistan from collapse if the US imposes sanctions on you like they did to Iran.

 

[Ravenman]

Why is it forbidden for a Iranian plane to land in Jemen?

 

[Aryan_B]

lol Stop trolling, bro.

On a side note, there's no amount of oil that can save Pakistan from collapse if the US imposes sanctions on you like they did to Iran.

But Pakistan had sanctions in 90s and they do so from time to time.

and our people burn american flags lol

 

[Watandar]

No, it cannot be "set aside" lmao It can be annulled by a court of law for misconduct or justified reasons, not unilaterally, citing US sanctions.

The point I am making is that Iran doesn't need to do anything for Pakistan. The fact that we have been kind enough to you not to sue you for billions of dollars is more than enough for you to appreciate our goodwill.

You paid the Emirates two billion dollars and you guys all cheered it as some great economic achievement. Now imagine you have to pay billions of dollars in reparations + interest.

Project was moot once Iran came under US sanctione and the USD was not available. Pakistan would have ended up in the same mess as Iran Iraq pipeline which the US disrupts as it pleases. Hence no scope for reparations as business could not be transacted.

 

[Bratva]

Brother from my phatichar understanding of Iranian military war-fighting doctrine, this is due to the very system they employ known as دفاعِ موزائیکی.

The Iranians studied the 2003 Iraq war and came to the conclusion that a unified centralized command authority is vulnerable to a direct attack or elimination by a highly organized enemy attack.

As Iran faces multiple threat actors, they developed this decentralized command doctrine with provincial independence, pre-delegated authorities and successor protocols to ensure the survival of the command and fighting force. It has worked out well for them.

So, I think it is unfair when people say Iran doesn't have a chain of command, it very much does, it's just not how traditionalists would envision a chain of command per say.

Just like any country you have different factions with different opinions on how things should be done, Iran is no different. As for one voice, even America can't seem to speak in unison these days...

The decentralized command makes perfect sense for wartime. But it becomes a hindrance and obstruction when it comes to conducting negotiations and honoring the terms of the negotiations.