Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[ShapurII]

Bro! If it’s that easy.

Do you not think the desperate Putin would have unleashed it on Ukraine?

Bro, Putin wants to conquer Ukraine and hold it as their own territory. He wants the citizens of Ukraine to become Russian citizens and he has the ambition of unifying Slavs like the Soviet Union times. You cannot nuke the people that you want to join you.

The US cannot care less about the Iranians or unifying Iran with the US mainland.

Before Russia realized it was in a quagmire in Ukraine, Russia was truly handling Ukraine with kid gloves. The Russian propaganda constantly told the Ukrainians that they were brothers and Zelensky was the problem because of his Nazi ideas, blah blah blah. Russia wanted to be seen as the good guys who wanted nothing but friendship with Ukraine like the good old times lol

Trump has already threatened to end the Iranian civilization multiple times and has insulted Iranians beyond my counting. Apples and oranges.

 

[VCheng]

Mr. Alamariu said, “the question is which cracks first: the Iranian economy or the global economy?”

Is that a hard question to answer?

 

[BananaRepublic]

It is spectacular that after all these decades it seems that either Iran never gathered a force of American Freedom Fighters inside the US or they just don't have the balls to activate them

That would be a stupid strategy with massive downsides and zero upsides.

It’s an unhinged strategy befitting a race that hasn’t managed to forge a nation in their miserable 3000 years existence.

Iran is a civilisational race not a cult race.

 

[BananaRepublic]

Bro, Putin wants to conquer Ukraine and hold it as their own territory. He wants the citizens of Ukraine to become Russian citizens and he has the ambition of unifying Slavs like the Soviet Union times. You cannot nuke the people that you want to join you.

The US cannot care less about the Iranians or unifying Iran with the US mainland.

Before Russia realized it was in a quagmire in Ukraine, Russia was truly handling Ukraine with kid gloves. The Russian propaganda constantly told the Ukrainians that they were brothers and Zelensky was the problem because of his Nazi ideas, blah blah blah. Russia wanted to be seen as the good guys who wanted nothing but friendship with Ukraine like the good old times lol

Trump has already threatened to end the Iranian civilization multiple times and has insulted Iranians beyond my counting. Apples and oranges.

You make a good point on Putin wanting to unite the Slavs.

So, I’ll concede on that.

But nuclear attack ISNT happening especially because of the patient way Iran is handling the war.

 

[BananaRepublic]

I'm simply pointing out the historical facts, that's all.

That definitely augurs well for Iran then.

 

[RescueRanger]

How?

It applies even more to Iran.

My dear brother, this is a real misconception people have.

1. Afghanistan and Vietnam were occupations where the United States had boots on the ground and were actively engaged in Nation building experiments.

2. the type of warfare between Iran and US/Israel etc is Asymmetric, including economic blockades and pressure through regional networks/allies from either side. In Afghanistan and Vietnam the US were engaged in sustained deployments of ground troops seeking to gain control territory and defeat local insurgencies.

In Iran the U.S. relies heavily on aerial bombardment, cyber warfare, sanctions and diplomatic pressure.

3. In Afghanistan the US were fighting the Taliban that were a highly decentralized non-state insurgency that relied on guerilla warfare, Iran conversely is a country with sophisticated military and a vast arsenal of ballistic missiles, drones and conventional weapons presenting a different strategic challenge.

4. Whilst in Vietnam the US occupied that land for over 10 years to install and protect allied governments, in the case of Iran, the US objectives have been containment, pressure and neutralizing what they deem as threats.
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Like I said, apples and oranges.

Some light reading for you:

U.S Proxy Warfare: Patterns in Middle Eastern Conflicts - LSE International History

‘Today, we tell the despotic regime in Saudi Arabia that we will not be part of their military adventurism’, said Senator Bernie Sanders on 13 December 2018, as the Senate voted to end U.S military support for Saudi Arabia’s conflict in Yemen. Despite bipartisan support for this resolution...

blogs.lse.ac.uk

 

[VCheng]

In Iran the U.S. relies heavily on aerial bombardment, cyber warfare, sanctions and diplomatic pressure.

Sir, war is war. It is always fought with ALL available resources, as best as possible. Always.

 

[Lulldapull]

You need a reset factory, mate. Just making fun..

And when I make fun of these guys, I get picked on.......

 

[Persian Gulf]

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Iranian Army fired drones at Al-Azraq Base in Jordan, targeting F-18 fighter jets

TBD if any impacts were recorded. video showed at least 6 drones being fired.

 

[Immortals]

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[Shags101]

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Making them use their interceptors what they have left on everything in the skies

 

[lightning f57]

US has been doing land invasions on countries almost every decade.
I don't think there will be any problem for US planners to pursue their objectives via land invasion.

Tell me last time when they invade a country the size of western Europe full of mountains?

US objectives:
1- Complete surrender of Nuclear Program to US
2- Zero iranian control over SoH.

These are likely trumps goals

Plan
1- Softening up Iranian military backbone through consistent yet extensive bombing campaign - pretty much achieved in 40-day compaign

I dont think that has been achieved, Iran continues to attack US bases and hit ships that try to cross SOH without its permission.

US has the endurance of 10-20 years of occupying foreign countries but unlike Brits, they almost never succeed in making Other countries their colonies.
If Iran can endure this for a decade or two, it's their war to win.

They never occupied a country the size of Iran with 90m people.

 

[Shags101]

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Curious with who is the American navy actually in the area or are these Arab navies curious why the Kuwait military vessel was hit

 

[Lulldapull]

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Jordan claimed it intercepted 4/4 ballistic missiles launched by Iran overnight

This video shows multiple Iranian missiles impacting (at least 4), with no interceptions seen, despite Jordan firing at least 8 PAC-3 interceptors (cost of $32 million), depleted for no purpose. flawless Iranian victory.

There seems to be no data link to the guidance radar? They just seem to have been fired blindly/ shot gunned straight into the air in the general direction of the incoming Iranian wave?

Are these Sawdi on Captagon? or Fentanyl?

Why would they just launch them blind with no guidance? this is just wasting millions no?

 

[RescueRanger]

Sir, war is war. It is always fought with ALL available resources, as best as possible. Always.

This statement is flawed. During WWI the French deployed all their "available resources" without an understanding of the technical capability of the enemy. The French infantry marched into battle wearing highly visible dark blue coats and bright red trousers. The tragic reliance of 19th century uniform design and massed frontal attacks against entrenched German machine gunners resulted in the catastrophic loss of nearly 27,000 French men.

By 1915 the French were forced to bow to the realities of modern warfare at the time, which resulted in the ditching of the bright blue coats, the development of the first French combat helmet and abandoning massed frontal marches to the footnotes of military history.

There are plenty of examples like this, smart nations keep their biggest cards closest to their chests.

Crossing at a ford occurs often in a man's lifetime. It means setting sail even though your friends stay in harbour, knowing the route, knowing the soundness of your ship and the favour of the day.

- Miyamoto Musashi