Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[ShapurII]

Look dude, you don´t know what you´re talking about and never have. You´re too emotional and too light on the substance.

Go google how the US was starting to turn against Iran DURING the so called ´shah´s reign. Yes. That´s why he was kicked out. He started becoming too ambitious for western tastes. Talking about islands, about middle east hegemony etc. Only then did the big nosed rat start talking about jewish influence in american politics. By then it was obvious they'd regime change iran.

You're really not fit to discuss anything here if you don't understand the main goals of the west, namelijk make everything small and manageable in the middle east. Arabs they can handle, Arabs aren't worth a piece of empty paper (I mean the PGCC Arabs). They're just a gas station and piggybank for the west. But Iraq? Decimated. Syria? Decimated. Egypt? Fully contained. And Egypt is almost fully homogenous, so difficult to tear that apart.

And Turkey is a difficult one for them too. But I promise, if the west succeeds, they'll fck up Turkey or try very hard to. No big countries with a lot of potential are allowed. No matter if they're super democracies, religious, nationalist, whatever.

It indeed has nothing to do with biblical prophecies, that's just childtalk. It has to do with a terribly weakening West, that knows it's can stay dominant in the region and therefore it needs to cut things up to at least have a say in the future. It's simple divide and conquer. Those who can't see this need a doctor.

I didn't bother reading your post, because I know it's just nonsense as usual and it's a waste of time and bandwidth.

But I can assure any average Joe on the forum is more intelligent than you who claimed Iran had defeated the USA and Trump was begging Iran for mercy lol Your level of intelligence has already been demonstrated quite clearly.

 

[tsunset]

This would be a good card to play but I am not sure the Houthis have the capacity for it. They are in need of a full rebuild first from their tussle with the US/israel over Gaza war.

They are more than capable of right now closing Bab el Mandeb successfully

They just don't want to do it

 

[030292]

 

[Magi]

Watch the Alex Krainer video I posted just above and watch only half hour of it and then sell any bridge or river or yacht to him as I was merely giving a gist of his video.

But my understanding of Alex is thus: The Western influence in the region is based on a historic protection pledge to the rich Arab countries and by now, as Alex says, the regional countries, with the exception of perhaps MBZ of UAE, have realized that it was a false protection promise and they are thinking of getting out of the old order but slowly, so as to not jeopardize their 5 $ trillion. And that is a practical route forward.

If you accept that these sand statelets are artificial creations by western empires for reasons of propping up western economies and force projection in the region, you recognize there is no $5 trillion and these emirs have zero independent decision making ability. Except how hard to smooth the rear end of each western leader.

Look, your heart may be in the right place. But repeatedly deferring to the usual youtube characters with shady backgrounds (Trita Parsi, Alex Krainer, this or that Colonel or "ex" CIA analysist) is a logical fallacy. It is called Deferring to Authority, and not a good look.

 

[ShapurII]

This is but a fraction of what they breach and believe that they will carry on this prophecy just like Bibi said that he will carry the prophecy of killing babies and children of Ismael.

Iran was once the #1 ally of US in Western Asia and everyone bowed to Shah but he was not in any shape or form a threat to Israel or out of US chains. The current Iran is different and they won't allow it under US umbrella unless it is defanged.

There will be no current Iran soon. As you type this comment, the Islamic Republic is thinking of finding a way to negotiate with Trump and surrender to his demands. You have to understand that the Islamic Republic with Khamenei's policies has reached an impasse and can no longer exist in its present form.

 

[RescueRanger]

With the propeller intact, more probably an engine breakdown then a crash instead of the result of a SAM or anti air artillery.

Propellers and frames can most certainly survive even if the UAS has been defeated using kinetic methods:

 

[ShapurII]

Israelis believe in this nonsense... They take it literally. Israelis are a barbaric bunch like ISIS and dont understand partnership or anything.

They didn't cause us any problem before we decided to unilaterally severe our ties with them after the revolution and chant "Death to Israel" after every Friday prayer and even install a timer for the date of their destruction, besides the fact that most of our regional policies in the last 47 years has hovered around the idea of destroying Israel at our own experience. A policy that Arabs have benefited from greatly.

I'm sure you don't deny that it was Iran that unilaterally severed all ties with Israel and called for its destruction.

 

[Watandar]

Look, your heart may be in the right place. But repeatedly deferring to the usual youtube characters with shady backgrounds (Trita Parsi, Alex Krainer, this or that Colonel or "ex" CIA analysist) is a logical fallacy. It is called Deferring to Authority, and not a good look.

This makes no sense at all. Why wouldn't you listen to good faith analysis by people who have actual military or intelligence or diplomatic credentials ? Neither you nor I are clever enough to know everything.

If you just don't like what they say, that's a different issue.

 

[030292]

There will be no current Iran soon. As you type this comment, the Islamic Republic is thinking of finding a way to negotiate with Trump and surrender to his demands. You have to understand that the Islamic Republic with Khamenei's policies has reached an impasse and can no longer exist in its present form.

Surrendering to america/israel basically means balkanization of iran, everything that the country built with blood sweat and tears over the decades will be demolished to make way for a corrupt dictatorship who will give away all the resources of iran to western barbarians for free without even a drop reaching iran, terrorism running rampant, civil wars, mass migration and what not.

 

[RescueRanger]

New strike on Qeshm Island.

 

[ShapurII]

Surrendering to america/israel basically means balkanization of iran, everything that the country built with blood sweat and tears over the decades will be demolished to make way for a corrupt dictatorship who will give away all the resources of iran to western barbarians for free without even a drop reaching iran, terrorism running rampant, civil wars, mass migration and what not.

Not necessarily, that's your claim. A non-Iranian trying to tell Iranians what we should do with our country lol The Islamic Republic decided to surrender when it accepted an early ceasefire, and they know it themselves as well.

Why do you think Iran released an American spy yesterday a few hours after Trump threatened to hit Iran's bridges and infrastructure next week? Who rewards his enemy like that after threatening to commit war crimes?

 

[ShapurII]

Facts are important only to those whose minds are not already made up irreversibly about certain matters. To them, USA will remain the Great Satan.

The United States is an evil country, there's no doubt about that. It may not be the Great Satan or whatever other term coined for propaganda, but there's no doubt that most of the evil in the world since at least World War II comes from the United States alone.
However, it is not Iran's duty to fight the United States or Israel on behalf of the oppressed people of Palestine or any other country. We should've never got ourselves involved in this nonsense in the first place.

Good planning used to involve consideration of placing military facilities well away from civilian areas. That worked very well for decades, until increasing density and population growth made that less easy to achieve.

If you're trying to justify a war crime, I'm afraid you're failing at it miserably. The US is purposefully committing war crimes and your president has already admitted to it many times on national TV. There is no doubt that the whole responsibility for the recent attack targeting a location close to a hospital dedicated to children with cancer is on the United States and nobody else.

 

[Watandar]

 

[krash]

No no, the real question is why Oman deceived the other coastal country?.
Irán wanted even to share the fees with Omanese.
Don't distract the truth.

Yeah, how dare they not submit their waters to Iranian interests!

 

[Meengla]

The question is why did these ignorant arab leaders stationed 5$ trillion of their money in west in the first ? Have they not seen countless countries getting sanctioned to hell and their reserves confiscated in western countries on whims of some idiotic barbaric western leader for the past 5 decades or so.

Because being part of the Pax Americana indeed yielded generations of wealth for them. Even the Russians had invested $300 billion--following the money. The Chinese also have a lot invested. You can't blame any of them because they were following the easy money. The miscalculations the Arab countries may have made was not foreseeing the eventual clash between Israel/America vs Iran; that was brewing for a long time.

If you accept that these sand statelets are artificial creations by western empires for reasons of propping up western economies and force projection in the region, you recognize there is no $5 trillion and these emirs have zero independent decision making ability. Except how hard to smooth the rear end of each western leader.

$5 trillion or not, the GCC Arab countries are indeed very rich and have large amount of their assets invested in Western countries--and that wealth, like the Russian $300 billion frozen--is at risk.

Look, your heart may be in the right place. But repeatedly deferring to the usual youtube characters with shady backgrounds (Trita Parsi, Alex Krainer, this or that Colonel or "ex" CIA analysist) is a logical fallacy. It is called Deferring to Authority, and not a good look.

I don't quote Col. Macgregor or Scott Ritter because I think of them as loose cannons; similarly, the CIA Larry is losing my respect. But there are indeed many reputable Western analysts, some from prestigious Western universities holding academic positions. I pay attention to them. And Trita, Chas Freeman, Max Blumenthal, Alex Krainer may not be in the academia but they are generally careful with their words. Who do you want me to pay attention to, instead?