Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[RescueRanger]

New strike on Qeshm Island.

 

[ShapurII]

Surrendering to america/israel basically means balkanization of iran, everything that the country built with blood sweat and tears over the decades will be demolished to make way for a corrupt dictatorship who will give away all the resources of iran to western barbarians for free without even a drop reaching iran, terrorism running rampant, civil wars, mass migration and what not.

Not necessarily, that's your claim. A non-Iranian trying to tell Iranians what we should do with our country lol The Islamic Republic decided to surrender when it accepted an early ceasefire, and they know it themselves as well.

Why do you think Iran released an American spy yesterday a few hours after Trump threatened to hit Iran's bridges and infrastructure next week? Who rewards his enemy like that after threatening to commit war crimes?

 

[ShapurII]

Facts are important only to those whose minds are not already made up irreversibly about certain matters. To them, USA will remain the Great Satan.

The United States is an evil country, there's no doubt about that. It may not be the Great Satan or whatever other term coined for propaganda, but there's no doubt that most of the evil in the world since at least World War II comes from the United States alone.
However, it is not Iran's duty to fight the United States or Israel on behalf of the oppressed people of Palestine or any other country. We should've never got ourselves involved in this nonsense in the first place.

Good planning used to involve consideration of placing military facilities well away from civilian areas. That worked very well for decades, until increasing density and population growth made that less easy to achieve.

If you're trying to justify a war crime, I'm afraid you're failing at it miserably. The US is purposefully committing war crimes and your president has already admitted to it many times on national TV. There is no doubt that the whole responsibility for the recent attack targeting a location close to a hospital dedicated to children with cancer is on the United States and nobody else.

 

[Watandar]

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[krash]

No no, the real question is why Oman deceived the other coastal country?.
Irán wanted even to share the fees with Omanese.
Don't distract the truth.

Yeah, how dare they not submit their waters to Iranian interests!

 

[Meengla]

The question is why did these ignorant arab leaders stationed 5$ trillion of their money in west in the first ? Have they not seen countless countries getting sanctioned to hell and their reserves confiscated in western countries on whims of some idiotic barbaric western leader for the past 5 decades or so.

Because being part of the Pax Americana indeed yielded generations of wealth for them. Even the Russians had invested $300 billion--following the money. The Chinese also have a lot invested. You can't blame any of them because they were following the easy money. The miscalculations the Arab countries may have made was not foreseeing the eventual clash between Israel/America vs Iran; that was brewing for a long time.

If you accept that these sand statelets are artificial creations by western empires for reasons of propping up western economies and force projection in the region, you recognize there is no $5 trillion and these emirs have zero independent decision making ability. Except how hard to smooth the rear end of each western leader.

$5 trillion or not, the GCC Arab countries are indeed very rich and have large amount of their assets invested in Western countries--and that wealth, like the Russian $300 billion frozen--is at risk.

Look, your heart may be in the right place. But repeatedly deferring to the usual youtube characters with shady backgrounds (Trita Parsi, Alex Krainer, this or that Colonel or "ex" CIA analysist) is a logical fallacy. It is called Deferring to Authority, and not a good look.

I don't quote Col. Macgregor or Scott Ritter because I think of them as loose cannons; similarly, the CIA Larry is losing my respect. But there are indeed many reputable Western analysts, some from prestigious Western universities holding academic positions. I pay attention to them. And Trita, Chas Freeman, Max Blumenthal, Alex Krainer may not be in the academia but they are generally careful with their words. Who do you want me to pay attention to, instead?

 

[Persian Gulf]

Look dude, you don´t know what you´re talking about and never have. You´re too emotional and too light on the substance.

Go google how the US was starting to turn against Iran DURING the so called ´shah´s reign. Yes. That´s why he was kicked out. He started becoming too ambitious for western tastes. Talking about islands, about middle east hegemony etc. Only then did the big nosed rat start talking about jewish influence in american politics. By then it was obvious they'd regime change iran.

You're really not fit to discuss anything here if you don't understand the main goals of the west, namelijk make everything small and manageable in the middle east. Arabs they can handle, Arabs aren't worth a piece of empty paper (I mean the PGCC Arabs). They're just a gas station and piggybank for the west. But Iraq? Decimated. Syria? Decimated. Egypt? Fully contained. And Egypt is almost fully homogenous, so difficult to tear that apart.

And Turkey is a difficult one for them too. But I promise, if the west succeeds, they'll fck up Turkey or try very hard to. No big countries with a lot of potential are allowed. No matter if they're super democracies, religious, nationalist, whatever.

It indeed has nothing to do with biblical prophecies, that's just childtalk. It has to do with a terribly weakening West, that knows it's can stay dominant in the region and therefore it needs to cut things up to at least have a say in the future. It's simple divide and conquer. Those who can't see this need a doctor.

Kindly avoid personal attacks

You raise good points but personal attacks are not allowed

 

[030292]

Not necessarily, that's your claim. A non-Iranian trying to tell Iranians what they should do with our country lol The Islamic Republic decided to surrender when it accepted an early ceasefire, and they know it themselves as well.

Why do you think Iran released an American spy yesterday a few hours after Trump threatened to hit Iran's bridges and infrastructure next week? Who rewards his enemy like that after threatening to commit war crimes.

Definitely not trying to tell iran what to do bro, im sorry if i came across like that.

 

[RocketLaw]

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[ShapurII]

those are aerial escorts which Iran lacks the air defence means to attack. America's naval blockade relies on CSGs in the Arabian Sea at least 300km away from Iran's coasts.

I remember some of our established and respected members made exaggerated claims that Iran A2/AD capabilities could reach 5,000 km!

I thought 700 km was a fair number, but even that has been challenged in the recent war unfortunately.

 

[Persian Gulf]

Yeah, how dare they not submit their waters to Iranian interests!

I am afraid the U.S. and Israel have established a precedent where security interests trump all rights and laws. So now others have to live with the consequences as Iran views control over the SoH as a vital security interest.

 

[RescueRanger]

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And how is this "breaking news"?

 

[Persian Gulf]

I remember some of our established and respected members made exaggerated claims that Iran A2/AD capabilities could reach 5,000 km!

I thought 700 km was a fair number, but even that has been challenged in the recent war unfortunately.

Now I am sceptical of anything beyond 10km and that’s only for drones

 

[ShapurII]

Definitely not trying to tell iran what to do bro, im sorry if i came across like that.

Thank you for your understanding, brother. I appreciate it.

The thing is, at the end of the day, it will be the people of Iran that will pay the price of our poor foreign policies.
I know that some people want Iran to be the hero that fights the Western imperialism and Israel, but we simply do not have the means to do that and Muslims, and the people of the Global South, not only are not united, but conspire against each other all the time.

 

[Persian Gulf]

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