Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Immortals]

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[Persian Gulf]

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[Immortals]

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[Magi]

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Well that was a waste of an expensive bomb. Wear and tear, fuel and bomb cost more than the bridge. Iran builds all of this domestically. Rebar, cement, engineering and manpower is cheap in Iran. They just managed to piss the locals off and unite them.

 

[tsunset]

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[Ali_Baba]

Are you sure that Iran can't lose 5 trillion dollars? Because Iran's oil resources alone is worth 16 trillion dollars alone, if oil stays at $80 per barrel. That's besides Iran's vast natural gas reserves, helium reserves and other mineral resources including copper and lithium.

The Americans are not going to blow up the very thing they are trying to capture and have influence or control over... All the things you have mentioned are the things the USA and the world wants and needs so why burn it ? Your statement is not logical.

Yeah, no. Iran has not established such a thing.

I think they have, you suggest they haven't. Ok.

And we should take your word granted about that?

No - this is an open forum, and we are free to express our views and explain the rationale when required. I have done that.

No, you are not Iranian. Your judgement is being clouded with ignorance instead of anger and hate.

What am I angry about ?!??!! Iran is not my country, I have no linkage or association to it, so why would I be angry and hateful about anything that is happening ????? This is not a logical statement.

Just like your initial statement that Iran cannot lose 5 trillion dollars.

I have made my point above, Iran cannot lose 5 trillion dollars...

And your definition of what constitutes a victory over the US is beyond ridiculous.

That is ok - you are more than welcome to put me in your ignore list if i trigger you soo much. Please do so

 

[RocketLaw]

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Zionist Arabs are lazy, unreliable, and coward after Gaza is gone - no thank you please.

Pakistan should not be involved in this mess as we are not RESPONSIBLE for every lazy Arab.

 

[Ali_Baba]

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If Iran has indeed managed to take that picture from one of its assets, then possibility it has the ability to use that same platform for terminal guidance ?

 

[BananaRepublic]

What gets me thinking they will not invade is why are they bombing bridges and not sending troops immediately? The bridges are right now under repair and will be completely back to service in a few days. Why aren't they bombing the repair teams?

If you intend to cut bridges and routes then invade immediately afterwards instead of giving time to repair them

Very good point indeed

 

[Magi]

That's the most ridiculous thing I have read in a while.

So, if Iran loses 5 trillion dollars, loses its entire energy resources to the enemy and turns into an inhabitable wasteland because it can no longer sustain life but sinks 2 tankers in the Strait of Hormuz which has limited effect on the global economy, Iran has won the war. OK! lol

I see that as opportunity cost. Total control over the strait of Hormuz is worth more than 5 trillion. If Iran can cement its de facto ownership it will pay infinite dividends in shaping behavior of nations worldwide. The sand statelets will fall to Iran sooner or later. Iran theoretically can create a petro rial. The same way that the emirs deposit their earnings in the US, they can shift that to Iran.

But I don't detect that level of ambition and our leadership is either corrupt or incapable. So its entirely possible Iran will sustain 5 trillion in damages and lose the strait as well.

 

[ShapurII]

The Americans are not going to blow up the very thing they are trying to capture and have influence or control over... All the things you have mentioned are the things the USA and the world wants and needs so why burn it ? Your statement is not logical.

Who said anything about blowing it up? That's a strawman fallacy.
We were talking about Iran losing trillions of dollars and you said Iran couldn't lose 5 trillion dollars. Who talked about blowing it up? If Iran loses its oil fields to occupying forces, Iran has lost trillions of dollars. But that's OK to you because you're not Iranian.

I think they have, you suggest they haven't. Ok.

What you think as some random person on the internet has no importance in the war whatsoever. So, if your best argument for that is "I think it is so", then let's agree to disagree.

No - this is an open forum, and we are free to express our views and explain the rationale when required. I have done that.

You are free to express your views and I am free to express mine. What does that have to do with the statement you made?

What am I angry about ?!??!! Iran is not my country, I have no linkage or association to it, so why would I be angry and hateful about anything that is happening ????? This is not a logical statement.

I said you were ignorant, not angry. Read it again. I said you were ignorant about the situation of Iran, as clearly demonstrated by your idea that Iran cannot lose 5 trillion dollars, and you not being Iranian even strengthens my position, not weaken it. So, stop pretending to be an Iran expert when your information is incomplete and mostly wrong.

I have made my point above, Iran cannot lose 5 trillion dollars...

No, you just disproved your point and discredited yourself. You demonstrated you did not understand the value of Iran's resources.

That is ok - you are more than welcome to put me in your ignore list if i trigger you soo much. Please do so

What happened to we are free to express our views?

If getting your stupid definition of winning the war challenged by other members triggers you, then you can put me on your ignore list. This is the Iranian section of the forum and I'm an Iranian and can participate and challenge anything that concerns my country.

 

[BananaRepublic]

This is a joke, right? So, if Iran loses all of its power plants and bridges, loses Khuzestan and Bushehr which holds 90% of its energy resources, but continues to sink a few tankers in the Strait of Hormuz, Iran has won the war per your definition? lmao

Iran is winning as long as Iran controls the oil flowing out of the gulf.

The cost of winning is a different matter.

 

[Oldenwisdom...قول بزرگ]

By establishing military bases there? They also have multiple bases around Iran which can be used as well. It's not like the US lacks enough military presence near Khuzestan and Bushehr.

How did the US stay in Deir Ez-Zur in Syria throughout the Syrian Civil War? Assad didn't even bother to kick the US out after they occupied Deir Ez-Zur and took control of Syria's oil fields.

As long as Iran has no air force to move troops, and relies on land routes only, the US threat is very serious. And it is already too late for building an air force.

What???
US had basically Syria surrounded from all sides... Jordan, Iraq, zion and even Turkiye...

The logistics of basing in Iran are infinitely harder. Besides Iran has an effective drone strategy. One that isn't saving American bases in supposedly safe zones in GCC and Jordan. Zion itself is keeping it's head down because they cannot effectively throttle Iranian response. You would have had that miliekowsky running like a bunny for an encore. Instead, that rats tail got a shellacking of lifetime... licking it's wounds. It can effectively end their project... as coming congress not only defunds them but perhaps sanctions the entity.

 

[ShapurII]

I see that as opportunity cost. Total control over the strait of Hormuz is worth more than 5 trillion. If Iran can cement its de facto ownership it will pay infinite dividends in shaping behavior of nations worldwide. The sand statelets will fall to Iran sooner or later. If I had a say I would push for a petro rial. The same way that the emirs deposit their earnings in the US, they can shift that to Iran.

The math doesn't math, to be honest with you. Even if Iran imposes a toll on the Strait of Hormuz as proposed by the IRGC, our annual income from the Strait of Hormuz will be about $40 billion. It will take 125 years for Iran to make 5 trillion dollars from the Strait of Hormuz.

And of course, the Strait of Hormuz will lose its relevance then because other countries will start to avoid the Strait of Hormuz. The Emirates can easily bypass the Strait of Hormuz by creating new infrastructure on the other side of it and tiny Sheikhdoms like Bahrain and Kuwait will use Saudi Arabia to bypass it. Saudi Arabia may even create a canal to bypass the Strait of Hormuz completely and charge a toll there and Arab states will use that canal which will be a shortcut to the Western countries as well. The toll will be economically justified due to shorter distance to Europe.

 

[BananaRepublic]

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The Arabs are slowly roping in Pakistan against Iran.

It will lead to both Iran and Pakistan destroying themselves.

And creating an opening for their plethora of separatists.

Pakistani military needs to be careful about hiring itself out like a mercenary.

This is why it’s important to have a functioning political wing to provide balance.