Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[ShapurII]

Are you at war with Kuwait?

Where is Kuwait? When? What? Who?

 

[Magi]

The main goal of the current war for Iran is survival in my opinion, the Strait of Hormuz is never part of Iran's objectives as long as Iran can secure its security.

IMHO Hormuz and Iran's survival are inseparable at this point. It is all or nothing.

 

[Khorasan Black Flags]

@Musings .. .. ..

 

[kobra]

We'll discuss it in relevant thread and when we cross that bridge. I don't like the hypocrisy and double standards being displayed here where people defends the alliances made by Iran and criticize what Pakistan is doing.

PAkistan was not in alliance with Isis/nusra front or israil when Iran made alliance with Assad and Hezbullah to confront them..

You are comparing apple with oranges or you are a guy who thinks that its going to be shia sunni war and because iran allied with alaviz and killed syrian "sunnis" Pak should do the same haha

 

[Bratva]

It was signed rapidly with Saudis so it seems likely they will sign with Kuwait too. Meanwhile Pakistan hasn't had the ability to use IP to bring energy to the energy starved and poverty stricken Pakistani people. I will keep my opinion to myself as nationalism will lead to blind backlash. Please continue.

Can you share the source which says Pak-Saudi pact was signed rapidly? This shows how much you know about the subject (zero). You have zero idea about Pak-Kuwait negotiations and you generously applied false analogy of Pak-Saudi pact on Pak-Kuwait negotiations. . Lets stick to poverty sticken population of Iran and how war is affecting them and I'd suggest you to educate yourself about the alliances of Pakistan and how and when they were formed.

 

[Oldenwisdom...قول بزرگ]

Weren't you one of those people who cheered Iran's victory over the US? Devoid of facts nuances? lol

Yeh, lol right... quote the post and context... otherwise useless distraction... to what end?

Afghanistan is a landlocked country. What does that have to do with Khuzestan and Bushehr with access to the Persian Gulf?
Khuzestan is even connected to Iraq as well. Khorramshahr in Khuzestan was under Iraqi control for nearly 2 years during the Iraq-Iran war. What are you even talking about? lol Do you even know what you are talking about? Clearly not.

You do understand that Iraq itself has to be supported via logistics... ones that have to make their way first to Basra... or overland via Jordan or Turkiye...
If you have a working solution... send it to cent com... maybe it solves their problems.

Trust me, any random Joe in Iran understand military affairs regarding Iran better than you. Saddam held Khuzestan of Iran for 2 years and you think the US with over 20 military bases around us and access to Iraqi territory cannot? rofl What an expert!

Lol, right... Iraq then had amongst the largest standing armies backed by the collective... against a post revolution Iran... one where he assumed gave him advantage... where he could play the Arab nationalism card...

Just forget about it...

 

[ShapurII]

IMHO Hormuz and Iran's survival are inseparable at this point. It is all or nothing.

I'd rather keep Khuzestan and Bushehr than the Strait of Hormuz which is not even entirely ours to begin with.

 

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[Watandar]

Pakistan on the other hand having cooperation with an oil rich

Let's take this this discussion to a separate thread.

https://defencepk.com/forums/thread...cuss-expanded-defence-pact-sources-say.33037/

 

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[Oldenwisdom...قول بزرگ]

I think israeli bombings in doha last year might have brought qataries into their senses which is why we are not hearing a lot of condemnation directed at iran by qatar despite their base al udeid getting pounded for the past couple of days, they might even secretly be happy about it.

Personally i am not a fan of these defence agreements with arabs, they seem too trigger happy and far too entrenched in the western bloc to have a defence agreement with them that makes you legally bound to fight their useless wars against your own muslim brethren.

Their Achilles heel is trillions locked in western financial system... one that can cause them to squeal in a pinch. Their money was wanted... they were not!

They just assumed it was them!

 

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[ShapurII]

Yeh, lol right... quite the post and context... otherwise useless distraction... to what end?

It's sort of relevant to know your previous positions on the matter, particularly when you start to accuse others of being devoid of facts and nuances. Don't you agree?

You do understand that Iraq itself has to be supported via logistics... ones that have to make their way first to Basra... or overland via Jordan or Turkiye...
If you have a working solution... send it to cent com... maybe they it solves their problems.

You do understand that you just wrote nonsense, right?

Lol, right... Iraq then had amongst the largest standing armies backed by the collective... against a post revolution Iran... one where he assumed gave him advantage... where he could play the Arab nationalism card...

Just forget about it...

Oh, OK. Sorry, I didn't know that the US had one of the smallest armies in the world and relied on the pocket money from Arabs to survive, unlike Iraq in the 80s which had the biggest, most powerful army in the world with the world's bestest economy. OK lol

 

[kobra]

It was signed rapidly with Saudis so it seems likely they will sign with Kuwait too. Meanwhile Pakistan for decades hasn't had the ability to use IP and bring cheap and readily available energy to the energy starved and poverty stricken Pakistani people. I will keep my opinion to myself as nationalism will lead to blind backlash. Please continue.

Kuwait had Banned Visas for Pakistanis for 20 years. Its a wishful report most probably, we have serious issues going in in two of our provinces. Kuwait can f off, a certain group wishes to see pakistan getting involved in fighting with Iran but our establishement is well aware of the realities.