Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[mangekyo]

It's a matter of trust. Israelis are paranoid and I doubt they would ever allow such a thing to happen. Unless it is absolutely under their control and Saudi Arabia is barely a launchpad for their future nuclear Armageddon, which is a possibility that countries like Iran and Turkey should carefully consider.


Not even Musk, but any billionaire with enough money to spare. The only thing stopping people from doing that is state intelligence, strict control over acquiring fissile material even in form of natural uranium and prohibitive laws. Besides that, the technology itself is not that complicated.

The only way Saudis can develop a nuke is with American blessing. To think that Saudis are going to develop them on their own if Iran does it is crazy. Iran developing a nuke is not going to trigger a nuclear arms race in the Middle East. This is Israeli propaganda. No middle eastern country has the independence or balls to go through what Iran did. They wouldn’t survive 10% of the American sanctions, UNSC sanctions or the hostility we received. Especially not the Saudis who are 100% dependent on the global financial markets and American protection.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Iran's biggest blunder since 2003, where MEK exposed our nuclear enrichment program, was that Iran missed the opportunity that Biden provided us for going nuclear. Instead, the idiotic Ayatollahs chose to mock Biden on TV and made fun of him and did nothing but continued with their "strategic patience". Dude was God's gift to us exactly at the time we needed it.

had Trump won the presidential election in 2020, all of this shit would've started 4 years ago.

If Trump won the 2020 election, it would perhaps still be better than this Trump 2.0 for Iran.

Since his 2021 admin will have this direct continuation of Trump 1.0 policy to keep punishing/torturing China as China would lack the 4 years of window of opportunity from the Biden era to empower itself into the current form.

If China remained weaker, Iran would not truly enter into his radar as a bargaining chips to counter a stronger China's rare earth restriction.

During his first term, he only assassinated top Iranian government figure like Soleimani as a perfunctory task for Israel.

However, China now has chokehold him with rare earth restriction, and he is now desperately thinking of using Iran's corpse as his bargaining chip to counter China's move, which turns everything more dangerous for Iran.

 

[Immortals]

Ukraine created this Frankenstein cruise missile in 2 years of warfare.

Meanwhile, 30 years later, iran is still firing C-802 derivative cruise missiles from China. And still have S-136 as their main munition flying at skyscraper level.

This country stopped innovating back in 2010.

 

[Immortals]

 

[Magi]

Ukraine created this Frankenstein cruise missile in 2 years of warfare.

Meanwhile, 30 years later, iran is still firing C-802 derivative cruise missiles from China. And still have S-136 as their main munition flying at skyscraper level.

This country stopped innovating back in 2010.

This is a little unfair. Ukraine has access to the best of western technology. I agree Iran has been in a general slumber after Ahmadinejad. Raisi's short time was an aberration.

 

[Immortals]

As I told you, Shamkhani was a spy. He had ties to the spy on the Iranian nuclear team back in the JCPOA era who was executed.

Shamkhani’s final mission for Mossad was to take as many leaders of Iran he could as possible. Keep in mind Shamkhani was also ethnic Arab, not Iranian.



@ShapurII @Persian Gulf

 

[Lulldapull]

Lol just pay the South Asians some good money and they will develop you the bomb in a decade or less.

Rubbish!........You need permission/ consensus to transfer anything to any country.

Pakistan is under no liberty to do as your whimsical suggestions.

 

[Immortals]

This is a little unfair. Ukraine has access to the best of western technology. I agree Iran has been in a general slumber after Ahmadinejad. Raisi's short time was an aberration.

Does this look like the “best western technology” to you?



For comparison, this is a V-1 cruise missile from 85 years ago



Are you saying Iran cannot do what Germans or Ukrainians can do in war time?

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Everyone knew Iran had a nuclear program prior to 2003, it was the worst kept secret in the world. I remember visiting Iran then and my grandpa telling me about the military having facilities in the mountains. This was 25 years ago.

The Iranian nuclear program was built to quickly build a bomb if Saddam went nuclear. Which was predicted to happen by 1998.

If Iran went nuclear from 2017-2024, I don't think anyone could stop it.

US: Trump 1.0 wasn't fixated into Iran as a bargaining chip to counter China, and Biden didn't have the gut to attack Iran.

Russia: They wouldn't oppose it at all.

China: We can't even stop NK from went nuclear, let alone Iran.

UK & France: Their existence on this issue was even more irrelevant.

We never truly understand why Iran didn't go nuclear in the last decade with full of window of opportunities.

 

[Lulldapull]

Does this look like the “best western technology” to you?

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For comparison, this is a V-1 cruise missile from 85 years ago

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Are you saying Iran cannot do what Germans or Ukrainians can do in war time?

This was the beast that hit the Iranian freighter in the Caspian and demolished it!

Its huge this flamingo with a massive 1000lb warhead.

 

[Immortals]

We never truly understand why Iran didn't go nuclear in the last decade with full of window of opportunities.

Khamenai. The nuclear program was really just a hedge against Saddam. Once he fell there was not a need for a nuclear weapons program.

Also Iran assumed that U.S. could never sanction Iranian oil or put true economic pressure on Iran because the west was too dependent on Mideast oil. They couldn’t foresee fracking technology.

As I said multiple times, Iran needed a leader like Mao or Khomeini that truly wanted to stand up to Western imperialism and instead got a Gorbachev whose heart really wasn’t in conflict or fighting kinetic wars.

As I said, Iran was its own worst enemy with its self sabotage. Until Iran gets a true leader in power (Mojtaba is not that leader) then Iran can never be truly great. You need the type of leader that rebuilds the system and carries respect and admiration.

 

[Immortals]

This was the beast that hit the Iranian freighter in the Caspian and demolished it!

Its huge this flamingo with a huge 1000lb warhead.

Iran has a 500kg anti ship missile called the Ra’ad based on the silkworm from Soviet days. Like I said most Iranian CMs are based on Chinese or Soviet Union stuff from decades ago.




Its most modern cruise missile family is ironically based on the Kh-55 that Iran procured from……Ukraine in the 90’s

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Khamenai. The nuclear program was really just a hedge against Saddam. Once he fell there was not a need for a nuclear weapons program.

Also Iran assumed that U.S. could never sanction Iranian oil or put true economic pressure on Iran. They couldn’t foresee fracking technology.

As I said multiple times, Iran needed a leader like Mao or Khomeini that truly wanted to stand up to Western imperialism and instead got a Gorbachev whose heart really wasn’t in conflict or fighting kinetic wars.

As I said, Iran was its own worst enemy with its self sabotage. Until Iran gets a true leader in power (Mojtaba is not that leader) then Iran can never be truly great. You need the type of leader that rebuilds the system and carries respect and admiration.

Maybe the true hardline leader could come from the young officials within the IRGC.

 

[Immortals]

Maybe the true hardline leader could come from the young officials within the IRGC.

In Iran if you get too popular or powerful you get Julius Ceaser’d by a rival faction or someone leaks your location to the Mossad.

It’s truly a mafia society. Trying to raise thru the ranks is very dangerous. All the hardline commanders died in Iraq/Syria/Lebanon fighting ISIS and Zionists. The ones that stayed behind inside Iran were the pencil pushers.

The closest thing Iran had to a true leader was Solemani and his love for martyrdom and being on front lines caught up to him.

 

[Lulldapull]

Irans cruise missile attacks have barely been covered in any study let alone reports. And this is despite hundreds or thousands been fired as of today against both Israel and US targets in the ME theater.

Only somebody like Hack Hook could've done some research and presented it here or Amir......sadly both are off line now and we hardly get any information for research.