Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[ChineseTiger1986]

In Iran if you get too popular or powerful you get Julius Ceaser’d by a rival faction or someone leaks your location to the Mossad.

It’s truly a mafia society. Trying to raise thru the ranks is very dangerous. All the hardline commanders died in Iraq/Syria/Lebanon fighting ISIS and Zionists. The ones that stayed behind inside Iran were the pencil pushers.

The closest thing Iran had to a true leader was Solemani and his love for martyrdom and being on front lines caught up to him.

That's why sometimes the great purge becomes inevitable.

However, Iran is now facing powerful external enemy during the live wartime, and doing excessive internal purge might cause less stability.

 

[Immortals]

Let’s not forget these Arab Leaders in the 90’s

 

[Immortals]

Irans cruise missile attacks have barely been covered in any study let alone reports. And this is despite hundreds or thousands been fired as of today against both Israel and US targets in the ME theater.

They were covered plenty because they were given to Houthi’s and used against Red Sea shipping. Despite sometimes firing 10 or 20 CMs at a time, directly at US warships they just get shot down by the U.S. navy who had ample time to react to these sub sonic threats.

I tried to tell people here that Iranian CMs were old and not lethal against a first tier navy like the U.S. I suggested Iran needed an entire overhaul with new families introduced including supersonic CMs . But the copium on this board was so bad that users would say that Houthi’s got the “downgraded” stuff and Iran kept the “good elite missiles” for itself for war time and would suprise the U.S.

Looks like we know who was right in the end.

 

[Immortals]

Iran has to lie to cover up for the leaky SoH

 

[Immortals]

 

[Lulldapull]

They were covered plenty because they were given to Houthi’s and used against Red Sea shipping. Despite sometimes firing 10 or 20 CMs at a time, directly at US warships they just get shot down by the U.S. navy who had ample time to react to these sub sonic threats.

I tried to tell people here that Iranian CMs were old and not lethal against a first tier navy like the U.S. I suggested Iran needed an entire overhaul with new families introduced including supersonic CMs . But the copium on this board was so bad that users would say that Houthi’s got the “downgraded” stuff and Iran kept the “good elite missiles” for itself for war time and would suprise the U.S.

Looks like we know who was right in the end.

Tens of thousands CMs produced by Iran and there is just no record of their use during brief but intense periods of combat?

@Persian Gulf

There's gotta be some record news on their substantial use during the last good decade or so of near open warfare.

What the hell happened to hack hook? he generally used to keep good account/ record of various Iranian weaponry?

 

[Immortals]

Iran is filled with these morons like Zarif (western worshippers), in this clip the supreme leader is saying someone needs to educate him on our capabilities after Zarif was caught in the past saying that Iran’s entire defense capability could be destroyed by one American bomb. Basically saying America has super weapons that can overwhelm Iranian firepower.



The deputy of Zarif (former lead negotiator in Obama era) was Aragachi, who is the FM and lead negotiator for Iran now.

 

[HAIDER]

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you are a retard

sleep well know
ing people like u , who didnt want to build a nuke , are the reason iranians are getting killed

Correction, it was Bhutto , not this stupid ...

 

[Psyko70]

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you are a retard

sleep well know
ing people like u , who didnt want to build a nuke , are the reason iranians are getting killed

You mean Bhutto.

 

[Nawnaw1]

So many pages of talks about nuclear weapons. Pathetic.

Russia has thousands of them and yet they have been put in a situation/trap in which they lose tens of thousands of good men every year, get their cities and refineries and ports and ships bombed as if they're defenseless.

Yeah, having 10-20 nukes would have prevented a US/ISR attack on Iran. Great logic.

And yeah, Russia hasn't used them because Putin is a cuck. No other reason. Sure.

 

[digitalSurgeon]

So many pages of talks about nuclear weapons. Pathetic.

Russia has thousands of them and yet they have been put in a situation/trap in which they lose tens of thousands of good men every year, get their cities and refineries and ports and ships bombed as if they're defenseless.

Yeah, having 10-20 nukes would have prevented a US/ISR attack on Iran. Great logic.

And yeah, Russia hasn't used them because Putin is a cuck. No other reason. Sure.

Putin is not a blood thirsty person like westerners. They could have used it but they do think and care about the consequences.

 

[ShapurII]

So many pages of talks about nuclear weapons. Pathetic.

Russia has thousands of them and yet they have been put in a situation/trap in which they lose tens of thousands of good men every year, get their cities and refineries and ports and ships bombed as if they're defenseless.

Yeah, having 10-20 nukes would have prevented a US/ISR attack on Iran. Great logic.

And yeah, Russia hasn't used them because Putin is a cuck. No other reason. Sure.

All of these points have been addressed before. If you wanted to understand them, you would've understood them by now. I'm going to reiterate them for you again, even though I know you won't understand them anyway. Just like @Kyussis who got silent and disappeared after I told him what would happen if Iran targeted Dimona as an option for nuclear retaliation.

Q1. Why has Russia not used nuclear weapons in Ukraine?
Answer:
First of all, Russia is the aggressor in that war. The theory of nuclear deterrence is based on the concept of defending yourself against existential threats. Russia is under no existential threat in that war and is the aggressor. So, the theory does not apply here at all.
Secondly, Russia is trying to annex Ukrainian lands. When you want to add territory to yours, you do not go after nuking them because you want to add those resources and people to your own country. None of these things are similar to the situation between Iran and Israel or the United States.
Thirdly, and the least important reason but worth noting, is that Ukraine still has the second largest group of Soviet nuclear weapons engineers after Russia and Ukraine has one of the world's largest uranium reserves in the east of the country. So, both factors are present. If Ukraine decides to build nuclear weapons because its existence has been threatened, now that Russia has been proven to be incapable of invading Kyiv, they can most likely go for this option. And given Russia's lack of a capable intelligence apparatus, Ukraine may already be close to that point, awaiting the approval of its Western allies. Zelensky publicly requested the Western leaders for this 2 years ago.

Q2. Would having 10-20 nukes have prevented the war with Israel and the US?
Answer:
Yes, it would've prevented it because then Iran would've been able to inflict real damage on Israel and the neighboring Persian Gulf states instead of firing missiles at random empty targets, slightly damaging them only. Iran is literally firing missiles at unimportant targets instead of totally destroying major global energy infrastructure in the Middle East. Why? Because Iran is a non-nuclear state and cannot define the terms of the war and is always shy from going up the escalation ladder. The US and Israel have been dictating every term of the war so far and it will remain so as long as Iran is a non-nuclear state. Iran has refused to even go tit-for-tat in response to Israeli destructive attacks on our infrastructure for the same reason.

 

[Professor Jiang]

 

[Mobius]

 

[Nawnaw1]

And here you have this guy Immortals, who knows nothing about what's happening in Ukraine, talking about how Ukraine doesn't receive much Western help. Jesus. Ukraine can't breathe 2 minutes without the West fully doing everything for it, except the dying by cannon fodder.

Showing Ukraine's drones pretending it's like a V1 from ww2? Everything Ukraine has is from the West. From bullets to artillery to drones to missiles to every single ISR and targeting information. It's called a proxy.

Iran does things themselves yes. Under heavy sanctions. And Iran even made things so good that the US copies it. Lucas drone? Lol. Get real. A bad copy btw.


And to the Italian, Russia is NOT the aggressor in the war. And even if it was, it doesn't matter to the question to use nukes or not. Russia has been a bigger more powerful Iran in the eyes of the West for over 200 years. They've wanted to destroy Russia for over 200 years. Whether through direct invasion, Nato expansion and now the proxy invasion, Russia has it's back against the wall. Russia has gone in 1945 from Eastern Germany in it's sphere of influence, to even Russian lands (Ukraine) being taken away and NATO being at it's doorstep. And you call that aggression? Russia, like Iran, fully has it's back against the wall and has no ROOM to retrat. Get that through that head of yours.

And if you don't think Russia is under existential threat, you have zero analytical skills. Less than zero even. Go look at Georgia, the caucasus and nato expansion everywhere. Yeah not under existential theat.