Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

This second round of hostilities wouldn't have even happened had Iran not put it's foot down to stop a parallel US mechanism of operating the straits. Which has been achieved in writing ...
Don't let the apparatus claw it's way back retroactively.

It barely put its foot down. How many ships transited the strait and did STS transfers in Arabian Sea? How many ships did Iran even hit during the month of July? 10? 8? How many got thru? 100? 200?

Iran has already lost the Hormuz battle and is asking for a face saving mechanism way to say it retains “control”. When in reality the world will play nice for 2 months and use the “Iranian” lane then everything goes back to how it was. Even the “fee” is supposedly voluntary, basically a beggar fee.

Trump will comeback and harass Iran once mid terms are over.

Stupid deal by Iran. But the country is run by idiots to begin with. They advised Hamas in negotiations. they advised Hezbollah in negotiations. They advised Assad in negotiations. And remind me how are they all doing?

These Iranians can’t negotiate. They just waste time and call that being tough.
 
It barely put its foot down. How many ships transited the strait and did STS transfers in Arabian Sea? How many ships did Iran even hit during the month of July? 10? 8? How many got thru? 100? 200?
Ask around, does anyone agree with this statement of yours?
Do US or Oman agree?
Why is US even bothering with this? The midterms are near and getting a patch on is better than an open sore.


Iran has already lost the Hormuz battle and is asking for a face saving mechanism way to say it retains “control”. When in reality the world will play nice for 2 months and use the “Iranian” lane then everything goes back to how it was. Even the “fee” is supposedly voluntary, basically a beggar fee.
I don't think it is decided yet... when first 60 days are gratis. Second, control over who gets to go in is more important... since the same are expected to return.

Trump will comeback and harass Iran once mid terms are over.
True... likely between December and February.

Stupid deal by Iran. But the country is run by idiots to begin with. They advised Hamas in negotiations. they advised Hezbollah in negotiations. They advised Assad in negotiations. And remind me how are they all doing?
There is time to consolidate and mobilize. There are places where Iran has no say... such as Gaza... grace a la GCC... however, Lebanon, Syria and Iraq are heading for a longer period of instability. Zion saw itself in the mirror and didn't find itself greater than any other terror outfit in the region... with the largest sugar daddy in the world.


These Iranians can’t negotiate. They just waste time and call that being tough.

I think they've done a good job on the fly... since the goal of the orange clown was to keep shifting the goal post without telling the real reason he attacked Iran.
 
Stupid deal by Iran. But the country is run by idiots to begin with. They advised Hamas in negotiations. they advised Hezbollah in negotiations. They advised Assad in negotiations. And remind me how are they all doing?
Explains why the Houthis have been so reluctant to get tangled with our government. They are a no-nonsense people who like to get shit done till the end. I expect after this SOH fiasco more of the resistance to not get involved in our quagmires anymore, considering how we skirt around every issue and eventually cave in short time. And honestly, that's a good thing. It sickens me how we use other nations/peoples as a shield when we should be fighting our own battles.
 
These leaks about low US weapons stockpiles keep happening. Earlier today it was the PrSM and now its interceptors. This is either misinformation before a major attack, or more likely the military messaging the politicians to get out of this mess.

US military has used up nearly 80% of key missile interceptors as commanders warn stockpiles ‘dangerously low,’ sources say​


The US military has exhausted nearly 80% of its interceptors for a key missile defense system as senior US military commanders are warning that the Pentagon’s munitions stockpile is “dangerously low,” according to multiple sources familiar with the matter.

Stockpiles of key air defense systems have been particularly depleted during the war with Iran. The US military has burned through nearly four-fifths of its THAAD missile inventory compared to pre-war numbers and roughly half of its Patriot interceptors since the start of the war, according to two sources familiar with the latest inventory report. The disclosure of the low THAAD inventory has not been previously reported.

The Center for Strategic and International Studies estimates the United States had around 2,200 Patriots (of the platform’s two most-modernized variants) and 452 THAAD missiles in its stockpile before the Iran war started.

Gulf countries have also raised fresh concerns about how a shortage of air defense systems could impact their ability to ward off potential Iranian retaliation if President
Donald Trump decides to escalate the ongoing conflict.


Several of those countries rely on US air defense systems and have acknowledged the stockpile shortage could hinder their own ability to intercept incoming Iranian missile and drone attacks – particularly if they are targeted in response to any American escalation, multiple officials said.

The stockpile issue was raised again prior to the president’s decision last weekend to cancel new strikes on Iran, marking at least the second time in recent weeks that Trump’s senior military advisers have specifically voiced concerns about the dwindling number of key US munitions during discussions about potentially escalating the conflict with Iran.
The US Army has also used “virtually all” of its highly accurate long-range, surface-to-air weapons during the conflict, according to the source familiar with recent internal Pentagon reports
. Reuters first reported the specific concerns about US stockpiles of long-range strategic missiles.

Weekend strikes called off​

The recent warnings about munitions shortages — coupled with other intelligence presented to Trump about the potential negative effects of striking Iran’s critical infrastructure, including energy-related targets, and concerns voiced by Gulf countries — have been compelling enough to convince some of Trump’s most hawkish advisers there were was reason to call off planned operations over the weekend, the sources said.
Trump on Friday was planning to move forward with massive strikes, and Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth received the final “go ahead” order on Friday, according to a senior Trump official.

But Trump decided to back off after talking with Middle East allies on Saturday, who told him they were afraid of Iranian retaliation, specifically retaliatory attacks on their energy infrastructure, according to the official. Trump agreed to hear them, and Iran, out. He subsequently told Hegseth to stand down, for now, but is not taking the planned strikes off the table for a future date.

“America’s military is the most powerful in the world and has everything it needs to execute at the time and place of the President’s choosing,” Chief Pentagon spokesman Sean Parnell said in a statement to CNN.

“We have executed multiple successful operations across combatant commands while ensuring the U.S. military possesses a deep arsenal of capabilities to protect our people and our interests,” he added.

White House spokesperson Anna Kelly told CNN that the US military “has more than enough munitions, ammo, and stockpiles to serve all of President Trump’s strategic goals and beyond.”

“Operation Epic Fury has exposed what happens when you mess with the United States. Even still, the President has urged our defense contractors to constantly produce more made-in-America weapons, which are the best in the world,” Kelly added.
Chairman of the Joint Chiefs Gen. Dan Caine similarly raised the stockpile issue during another White House meeting late last month where military options for escalating the conflict were discussed, CNN previously reported. The potential for massive civilian casualties inside Iran if the US resumed major combat operations was also raised, another person familiar with the matter said.

But the persistent concerns about stockpile estimates provided to CNN underline the seriousness of the shortages and call into question the US’ ability to carry out strikes against Iran for an extended period.
The stockpile shortage could also impact the American military’s ability to fight a potential future war with China, Russia or even North Korea, experts have told CNN.

‘Tit-for-tat will never end this.’​

“The lack of interceptors means that conventional attacks can backfire if the suicide drones start making it through in-masse,” one of the sources familiar with the stockpile concerns said. “Tit-for-tat will never end this.”

The long-range missiles that have been primarily used up during the war with Iran are known as Army Tactical Missile Systems (ATACMS) and Precision Strike Missiles (PrSM), the sources noted.

The US’ stockpile of Tomahawk missiles also remains significantly depleted, as close to half of those weapons have been used during the war, one of the sources said.
CNN reported in April that the US military had used nearly 30% of its Tomahawks during the early stages of the war.

On Monday, Trump called Iranian leadership “unbelievably duplicitous” on social media after Tehran contradicted his claim that negotiations would resume.
He later insisted that this is Iran’s “last chance” to sign a deal, but he also said he has no time constraints on negotiations because he’s not seeking reelection.
The early phase of the Iran conflict, dubbed Operation Epic Fury, saw the US military expend thousands of key missiles used for long-range precision strikes and to defend against enemy air and missile attacks, according to analysts and previous CNN reporting.
US Air Force aerial porters prepare to load Terminal High-Altitude Area Defense (THAAD) support equipment onto a C-17 Globemaster III in October 2024.

US Air Force aerial porters prepare to load Terminal High-Altitude Area Defense (THAAD) support equipment onto a C-17 Globemaster III in October 2024.
(Senior Airman Zeeshan Naeem/United States Air Forces Central)

Replenishment rates are low for key missiles, analysts tell CNN — according to current fiscal year delivery schedules, the Pentagon is receiving roughly 15 new Tomahawks and 20 new Patriot missiles per month. The Center for Strategic and International Studies estimated it would take three or more years to rebuild THAAD inventories to pre-Iran war levels.

The Defense Department has accelerated its efforts to expand interceptor missile production in recent months, including two deals inked this week to boost Patriot and THAAD rocket motor manufacturing, but a spokesperson declined to answer questions about when the expansion will lead to results.

Analysts say it could take years to fully replenish the US stockpile of high-end munitions, like Patriot missiles, due to the lead time for producing those weapons.

Other missile inventories, such as those for the Precision Strike Missile and the Joint Air-to-Surface Standoff Missile, will be quicker to rebound and should reach their pre-war level by mid-to-late 2027, according to analysis from the Center for Strategic and International Studies.
This is misinformation at its finest. No fuckin way the US ran out of interceptors or strike missiles, we are talking about a country that lives and breathes war, have defense budget more than the total budget of many smaller countries combined together.
They either want Iran to overplay their hand before they drop the hammer or they just genuinely want to get out of this war. My bet is on the hammer thing.
 
Why is US even bothering with this? The midterms are near and getting a patch on is better than an open sore.

Yes, so you are aiding your enemy. The killer of Solemani and Khamenai Sr. And tens of other Iranian officials. For what are you giving your enemy such a gift?

I don't think it is decided yet... when first 60 days are gratis. Second, control over who gets to go in is more important... since the same are expected to return.

Listen I’m not sure if you have ever done a business deal or hell sold something to someone. But if they tell you I will give $100 today and then the rest in a month or two. Guess what you will NEVER see the rest. It’s just a formality.

So the first 60 days Iran can act like a boss. But once the middle lane opens up then Iran is really just a mall cop with no powers.

And when Iran tries to secure a permanent deal then, Trump will play hardball and Iran will have to choose with closing the strait and going under an economic blockade or meekly trying to get some face saving concessions and giving up the strait.

This is Iran’s fault. They are the ones who made their red line the FULL control of the strait of Hormuz. And now once again they will let that redline be violated like the rest of the redlines they have set the past 30 years.
 
Yes, so you are aiding your enemy. The killer of Solemani and Khamenai Sr. And tens of other Iranian officials. For what are you giving your enemy such a gift?



Listen I’m not sure if you have ever done a business deal or hell sold something to someone. But if they tell you I will give $100 today and then the rest in a month or two. Guess what you will NEVER see the rest. It’s just a formality.

So the first 60 days Iran can act like a boss. But once the middle lane opens up then Iran is really just a mall cop with no powers.

And when Iran tries to secure a permanent deal then, Trump will play hardball and Iran will have to choose with closing the strait and going under an economic blockade or meekly trying to get some face saving concessions and giving up the strait.

This is Iran’s fault. They are the ones who made their red line the FULL control of the strait of Hormuz. And now once again they will let that redline be violated like the rest of the redlines they have set the past 30 years.
Arguing about this deal, any deal is a waste of breath. Because no deal will be honored. Iran can not be allowed to exist as an independent nation with any power. They will chip away until they get what they want. Two steps forward, one step back. Reload and repeat. With the this leadership in Iran they are on track.
 
Qalibaf bends on Trump's demand and Trump humiliates him every chance. This agreement will inflict damage on Iran that dwarfs the Islamabad MoU. Watching this slow motion trainwreck is agonizing.
40+ years of non-stop humiliation, sanctions, sectarianism, widespread deaths, suffering and poverty for it to all come down to this stupid showdown. Iranian history in the 20th-21st century has just been plain pathetic and weird.
 
idk man, all the sunnis i know of admire Iran but indeed it is also true that all the Sunni nations are ruled by western puppets.
We are waiting for the day that Noble Sunnis overthrow their Zionist royalties and stop being Vassels for the Greater Israel Project. I know that they have terrible Secret police that butcher any opposition but we Iranians had to deal with SAVAK and we still overthrew the Pahlavi dictatorship.
 
We are waiting for the day that Noble Sunnis overthrow their Zionist royalties and stop being Vassels for the Greater Israel Project. I know that they have terrible Secret police that butcher any opposition but we Iranians had to deal with SAVAK and we still overthrew the Pahlavi dictatorship.
What do you mean by 'we'? What goes in in other Sunni majority countries is their business, nor is it our duty to drag ourselves into their problems. Funny how you also mentioned SAVAK when I can name you countless elements within the IR that oppresses people. And trust me that is not a route you want to take.
 
Yes, so you are aiding your enemy. The killer of Solemani and Khamenai Sr. And tens of other Iranian officials. For what are you giving your enemy such a gift?

And the alternative is?
One cannot sit in an open ended conflict. Iran can now do reciprocal sanctions just because it controls the straits. The same companies that didn't do business or do business with Iran, do not get access. Ones who comply against Iran and want in...

I don't think you're thinking it through. This was the very leverage that US used to stifle competition... choke off dollars or dollar denominated transactions was and is essentially to choke energy of those states. Found in abundance in some places and not in others... with GCC complying and leveraging petro dollar... US stopped sale of Iranian oil by blocking the transactions... not the ships inbound through the straits.

This choke essentially ends that monopoly. Besides not allowing US or any allied warships access through the straits...

Of course, it will take time to consolidate and become systemic. What orange needs is a face saver he can sell...

Listen I’m not sure if you have ever done a business deal or hell sold something to someone. But if they tell you I will give $100 today and then the rest in a month or two. Guess what you will NEVER see the rest. It’s just a formality.

So the first 60 days Iran can act like a boss. But once the middle lane opens up then Iran is really just a mall cop with no powers.

And when Iran tries to secure a permanent deal then, Trump will play hardball and Iran will have to choose with closing the strait and going under an economic blockade or meekly trying to get some face saving concessions and giving up the strait.

This is Iran’s fault. They are the ones who made their red line the FULL control of the strait of Hormuz. And now once again they will let that redline be violated like the rest of the redlines they have set the past 30 years.

Iran has 60 days to institutionalize it's hold. There is no way any paper signed or any "truth social" meme going to dictate another burning bulk carrier in the straits. During that time it can arrange the chess board while keeping the eyes on the ball. Orange is teetering on the brink... saving the bond market right now by buying useless Yens!!
Trying to avert an energy crisis and global recession. Running debt like never before with empty coffers... and amongst the highest yields ever... remember last year treasury under Bessent was buying longterm bonds and converting them into short term ones... because they were relatively cheaper... in hopes that once the interest rates drop ... they'd swap them back on to longterm. It has backfired... they've a lot of short term reaching maturity, while longterm are peaking. You don't get it...
Oil markets are manipulated... in hopes that paper will never meet reality. This is not a permanent gamble.... the GCC money is on knifes edge... together with their western investments and now needs at home... they bet the wrong horse... and orange didn't bother with their losses... favoring himself over everyone else. Well, that means they for once are in a spot of bother as well... what to do when they never invested in a backup. Chinese economy is built on global demand... they don't want to burn the house down... they want to take ownership. They're learning on the fly as well... about their prospects.

So, yes... and there is much unsaid... needless to say... it only gets more complicated from here...
 
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And the alternative is?
One cannot sit in an open ended conflict.
Has deterrence been established?
Iran can now do reciprocal sanctions just because it controls the straits.
I don't know whether to laugh or cry. How many times do we have to go through this? When did they honor a deal with Iran? Trump just threated decapitation. He is still demanding the Strait be "opened."

The same companies that didn't do business or do business with Iran, do not get access. Ones who comply against Iran and want in...
With the current political reality in Iran,

شتر در خواب بیند پنبه دانه گهی لپ لپ خورد گه دانه دانه


Iran has 60 days to institutionalize it's hold.
Wasn't that the signed and sealed plan in the Islamabad MoU? Is this deja vu?
Oil markets are manipulated...
I mean, what do you base this on? There is barely any gap between supply and demand at this point. Any risk is factored in the increase in today's price compared to Feb 27. Looks like reasonable valuation to me.
 
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