Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Mighty_Dragon_Strike]

@Haz , whats so funny?!!!

please elaborate

 

[Hassan Al-Somal]

Iraq knocks out 5% of the global oil supply and Yemen liberates Bab al Mandeb

And the first thing Iran rushes to do is sign an agreement about the Strait of Hormoz

What kind of stupidity is this? They couldn’t even wait one week? The politicians are directly working against the military. Iran better be getting something big out of this deal.

Because Iranian leaders have a country to run. They have 90 million people waiting for them to come out of this war honorably. They want to beat the blockade without giving up their core demands. They also want a chart a way forward with their neighboring Arab and Muslim states.

Frankly, only one leader - Benjamin Netanyahu - and "Israel" have a vested interest in continuing this conflict. Everyone else wants to end it. Even Trump administration officials are looking for a way to end it. The upcoming agreement between Iran and Oman is a step in the right direction.

 

[Flotilla]

I think many people are misunderstanding the IRGC. They see IRGC not killing many Americans and not doing as much damage as they would like and they think IRGC is incompetent.

The truth of the matter is IRGC is playing the long game of survival. They want to wait out Trump and deal with a democrat government that would remove all sanctions. Killing American soldiers in large numbers or doing large amounts of damage means that American people will begin supporting the war more and a deal will be harder to make in the long term. Thats why the IRGC is just doing retaliatory strikes and bunkering down until they can cut a good deal with the democrat government in 2 yrs time. IRGC biggest fear is having America destroy their civilian infrastructure which can cause widespread anger and protest within Iran and overthrow the IRGC. This is why they are playing the long and timid game and its working.

I know people want to see big explosions and mass casualties but IRGC is only interested in managing their own survival and cutting a deal in the long term with a government they can trust (democrats)

I agree with your point of view.

If this tiresome strategy of war allows Irán to survive their civilian infraestructure and save let's say 20.000 people, wellcome.

I would add another reason. I have been following many time some US YT channels, and many US civilians supports Irán!!!. I put some examples months ago. Half if not more US citizen see himself trapped bwtween Zionism and their eternal wars and a puppet President, and whenever Irán hit this or that US bases they accept Irán is just defending itself.

My only objection It is that even if Irán succeed surviving Donald Trump Administration (seems Irán will), there is not enough. Irán needs to draw a red line to Israel and US and that just come with nuclear weapons.

Without them Israel will attack back and US will exploit any weakness to join in a hypothetical coalition of arab countries and Israel thirst of revenge.

Frankly, discussing the betrayal by Iran’s reformist government is now pointless. The time has come to address the incompetence of the IRGC and the SNSC in failing to curb this.
Seeing Iran’s weak stance, even Iraq is attempting to break away. At this juncture, the IRGC should indeed abandon its current policy toward Iraq; instead, it should massively expand support for the PMF to create an organization more powerful than Hezbollah, and openly aim to establish a "state within a state" in southern Iraq.

Happy to read you back, brother.

 

[UKBengali]

Iran is not playing its cards right.

It still has thousands of ballistic missiles that can hit Zionist entity.

These needs to be unleashed on Zionist targets on Palestine till the Zionists force the US to stop the war.

If it simply launches 20-25 a day at the Zionists then within a matter of days Zio-US will be out of interceptors and then it will be hitting targets at will.

Zionists are simply waiting for US to help them rebuild their interceptor stocks and they will attack Iran again.

By playing "defence" it is making its overall position worse. The key to making US stop the war and lift all sanctions is to damage the Zionists squatting in Palestine.

 

[Flotilla]

I am afraid we are getting closer to tactical nukes...

It's coming and usa is as evil as what it was in 1945

Then stop letting your airspace be used to bomb Iran. If you play at hunting lions, you’re going to get bitten on the ass.

Worry about your Palestinian, Syrian, and Lebanese Arabs, and everything will go swimmingly for you.

At this point, your fears regarding Iran are nothing but crocodile tears.

 

[Persian Gulf]

Iran didn’t keep its island promises with UAE so Arabs are worried that why would Iran even abide by any SoH agreement . They do have a point

What island promises?

 

[Persian Gulf]

@Haz , whats so funny?!!!

please elaborate

Just ignore the Iran obsessed sectarian trolls, I will deal with them

 

[retaxis]

My only objection It is that even if Irán succeed surviving Donald Trump Administration (seems Irán will), there is not enough. Irán needs to draw a red line to Israel and US and that just come with nuclear weapons.

Without them Israel will attack back and US will exploit any weakness to join in a hypothetical coalition of arab countries and Israel thirst of revenge.

Yeah its a hopeful plan by Iran but not a fool proof plan. Iran end goal is end of sanctions and prosperity at this stage. Fighting Israel and ending Israeli occupation is just out of the picture for Iran for now

 

[Winthorpe]

Because Iranian leaders have a country to run. They have 90 million people waiting for them to come out of this war honorably. They want to beat the blockade without giving up their core demands. They also want a chart a way forward with their neighboring Arab and Muslim states.

Frankly, only one leader - Benjamin Netanyahu - and "Israel" have a vested interest in continuing this conflict. Everyone else wants to end it. Even Trump administration officials are looking for a way to end it. The upcoming agreement between Iran and Oman is a step in the right direction.

Unfortunately what Bibi wants, Bibi gets

 

[Haz]

@Haz , whats so funny?!!!

please elaborate

I would elaborate and tell you exactly why, and how our perception of Iran completely flipped from the most respected and admired Muslim country just a decade ago, including for myself and entire Sunni family and alot of my friends, and frankly tens of millions of others all across the middle east and around the globe, to finally waking up and realizing the ruse we've been duped into believing by them and their advocates, and how it really was just a sham to further their own selfish interest and power grabs across the region, and nothing more. It's been a massive eye opener and red pilling decade on how Iran and it's actions across the entire region has been viewed and judged. This war is just icing on the cake, it only further reinforces what has become very obvious to many of us now.

I would go into a lot more detail and breakdown, but I am probably going to get censored and banned from this thread since honest dissent is not welcomed here by the mod, I get the months long ban hammer hard and fast at the mildest of push backs. Tag me in another thread if you really want to know the full breakdown. But ya, we no longer buy their BS propaganda. They are no friends of ours, they are no champions of the down trodden oppressed Muslim masses like we thought they were and propagandized themselves as being. The ruse has run its course.

 

[retaxis]

Unfortunately what Bibi wants, Bibi gets

Bibi has the full support of military industrial complex who needs to sell trillions in weapons, he has full support of american jewish mafia zionists, full support of CIA deepstate who wants to build more bases and chokepoints. Until America can get rid of these war mongering factions within their system, they will always be at war with one country or another.

 

[Mighty_Dragon_Strike]

I would elaborate and tell you exactly why, and how our perception of Iran completely flipped from the most respected and admired Muslim country just a decade ago, including for myself and entire Sunni family and alot of my friends, and frankly tens of millions of others all across the middle east and around the globe, to finally waking up and realizing the ruse we've been duped into believing by them and their advocates, and how it really was just a sham to further their own selfish interest and power grabs across the region, and nothing more. It's been a massive eye opener and red pilling decade on how Iran and it's actions across the entire region has been viewed and judged. This war is just icing on the cake, it only further reinforces what has become very obvious to many of us now.

I would go into a lot more detail and breakdown, but I am probably going to get censored and banned from this thread since honest dissent is not welcomed here by the mod, I get the months long ban hammer hard and fast at the mildest of push backs. Tag me in another thread if you really want to know the full breakdown. But ya, we no longer buy their BS propaganda. They are no friends of ours, they are no champions of the down trodden oppressed Muslim masses like we thought they were and propagandized themselves as being. The ruse has run its course.

really? who is the champion of Muslims then?

let me guess, Arab kings, who live alone in French Castles in Southern France


or many Arab prince who live in Knights Bridge hotels and drive by latest Ferraris?!!

or Arabs who buy all the Selfridge stock for own consumption?!!

or those Arabs who own flats and properties In Scotland, Canada Waters and Canary Wharf?!!

so which Arabs are your friends?!!


i had a friend who used to work in a casino in London, he told me, London today is in working order bec, of Chinese, Indian and Arab 'investors'!

(these are not investors, they are bet makers!)

 

[Haz]

really? who is the champion of Muslims then?

let me guess, Arab kings, who live alone in French Castles in Southern France


or many Arab prince who live in Knights Bridge hotels and drive by latest Ferraris?!!

or Arabs who buy all the Selfridge stock for own consumption?!!

or those Arabs who flats and properties In Scotland, Canada Waters and Canary Wharf?!!

so which Arabs are your friends?!!

There are none right now. That's the sad truth of our situation at this point in time.

It's curios that instead of actual asking me for what our reasoning is, why this marked and drastic shift, what led to it and what the logic of it is, you instead immediately launch into attacks and deflections to defend your own predisposition. But ofcourse, not unexpected at all from your side.

 

[Mighty_Dragon_Strike]

There are none right now. That's the sad truth of our situation at this point in time.

thankyou!


I have seen many Arab prince walking in Central London

They walk with 2 or 3 body guards around them and all the arab women are busy shopping all the day in Central London!


in other words, they dont bloody care!


Arab population in London mostly live near Paddington, which is one of the richest area in this part of the Europe!

if you go to Central London, there are more Arabs than any other foreigners, how come they have all the wealth to spend all here, when all the region is engulfed in fire and no body calls out the actual perpetrators!

either my mind is broken or I cant understand the truth!


on the last Eid ul Fitr, I went on for a walk to Vauxhall, Marble Arch and Pecidally. For the love of God, I was amazed, nearly all the shoppers in those areas were Arabs!

 

[Arash]

Look at this bumbling idiot

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Pezeshkian is an official shame
French got macron, Hollande...
U.S. hot Trump, Biden
Britain got the royal family, starmer
And we have this &%$$@=%# moron........