Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

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Witkoff will negotiate (supposedly 'indirectly' whatever that means here) with Araghchi

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Witkoff and Vance want a deal with Iran, and Trump prefers this option too. Others (Rubio and Waltz) are not optimistic and prefer war

 

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Imam of Najaf threatens US bases in Iraq in case of war with Iran

 

[Persian Gulf]

U.S. has deployed an additional THAAD battery to Israel.

Now, the U.S. only had 7 operational THAAD batteries so this means that already nearly 1/3 of their THAAD capacity is based in Israel (2/7)…

 

[Persian Gulf]

It's not about distance, it's about explosive power.
Even the successful hits in Nevatim didn't do much damage.

because they had small warheads and hit hard dirt mostly

K-4 against cities will be very different

 

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[mulj]

Start the negotiations and right in middle of it make nuclear test, continue negotiations.
Americans will demand impossible anyway.

 

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Pahlavi is so irrelevant that 0 assassination attempt against him have been made

He never worked, not even once in his whole life

 

[FUB]

Stupid people on this forum think firing some hundred or even 1000+ missiles on US assets in the region will "scare" US/NATO+Israel. These economies thrive on chaos, more IRGC will conventionally hit them, more the USD holding will increase in the international market because of new giant defence contracts and surplus oil by OPEC (Saudis already increasing production). This happened when Iraq was attacked in Persian Gulf war as well, USD strengthened due to crisis induced purchase contracts being dealt in USD. Despite fiery speeches, BRICS could not come up with their currency, actually no one can challenge dollar.

IRI should not fall into the Anglo-American Jew trap. Best way out is test the nukes openly and announce/show deployment spread across IRGC and Artesh. Then create a new bargaining chip of backing out of Levant and Peninsula and embracing international community, basically offing the nuclear program out of the table of talk. But Khamenei's gang needs fuel for local politics.

Stupid people. Huh? The problem with the really smart armchair generals in this forum is that they believe everything they read in Zio media.
We have a moderator who could barely hold back his glee of the nothing Burger of this Israeli strike.

Yes, if the Americans could they would’ve already crushed Iran. The images in Gaza is what Tehran would have looked like . Steve Witcof would not be negotiating and involved in direct talks. If Israel was so awesome , they would have the empire fight their wars .

Zelzal 2 is a cheap rocket with a 750 KG warhead and 200+ kilo range. If 200 plus fired at critical infrastructure of an air base, the damage would set operations back for weeks if not indefinitely.

 

[ShapurII]

since when Israel has 10 megaton nuclear weapons? yield of Israeli nukes is likely similar to Trident SLBM of c. 475 kt

I don't overestimate anything, all my calculations are from DeepSeek using known parameters


I am talking about a city you are talking about an air base. they are not comparable in any way


not just critical infrastructure but total destruction of entire cities.

this doesn't have radiation so maybe it's not as bad as nuclear attack. ok. but it's at least something to think about for them. I don't think anyone will rush to total destroy their cities

OK. I will address two of your points.
1. Why do I think Israel has the capability to hit Tehran with 10 megaton nuclear weapons?
2. Why is it impossible to destroy an entire city with a barrage of ballistic missiles?

To answer your first question, first of all, when it comes to war, you always have to prepare for the worst scenario. Possession of 10 megaton nukes by Israel is not even remotely close to the worst scenario.

You have to understand that basically everything we publicly know about nuclear weapons, from fission weapons, to thermonuclear weapons and neutron weapons, were discovered by Jewish/Zionist scientists. The Manhattan project was basically a gathering of Jews working on a way to destruct the world. Oppenheimer, Teller, Ulam, Von Neumann, Feynman, even Einstein who contributed only indirectly, they all were Jewish and pro-Israel. So, that's one argument for why Israel most likely has megaton nuclear weapons. It just happens to be that nuclear weapons have been invented by Zionists.

Secondly, 10 megaton is a pretty low threshold for thermonuclear weapons. The US broke that threshold in early 50s with the Castle Bravo test. The design that made that possible was again a completely Jewish (Teller-Ulam) design. But then again, Israel doesn't need to use that destructive power in one warhead. Most importantly, they could hit Tehran with multiple megaton nukes. Why not? They have over 200 warheads and I'm sure many of them are well over 100 kilotons. The US has over 3,000 warheads and can/will provide them with whatever they need.

Thirdly, you have to understand that unlike Iran that thinks nukes are haram (rofl), nuclear destruction of the nemesis is at the heart of Israel's deterrence policy. Israel is probably the only country in the world with something like the Samson option. They do not shy away from talking about it. In fact, Netanyahu himself has talked about wiping Iran off the map before. We both know that, again unlike Iran, Israel does not like half measures. So, one would logically assume that if they decide to nuke Tehran, they would not use a 50 kiloton nuke to leave some parts of Tehran intact. They would go for complete destruction instead.

Fourthly, if there is one country that is absolutely confident about using nukes and getting away with it, that would be Israel. As we speak, Israel is committing genocide and ethnic cleansing in Palestine and nobody is raising a finger. All world powers, with the exception of China, are supporting Israel. So, if push comes to shove, Israel may very well choose to commit genocide against Iran as well.

As for the second part of your post, first of all, you need to show the parameters you are feeding DeepSeek. Satellite imagery from the aftermath of Iran's attack Nevatim Airbase shows minimal damage. Only 3 structures have been more or less completely destroyed. That's less than even .1% of the area of the airbase.
Secondly, if you can't flatten an airbase, how do you plan to completely destroy a city?
The radiation part is the least difficult part of the problem. You can always use dirty bombs on the enemy. It's not only radiation. It's destructive power that is very unbalanced in your equation.

 

[Lulldapull]

OK. I will address two of your points.
1. Why do I think Israel has the capability to hit Tehran with 10 megaton nuclear weapons?
2. Why is it impossible to destroy an entire city with a barrage of ballistic missiles?

To answer your first question, first of all, when it comes to war, you always have to prepare for the worst scenario. Possession of 10 megaton nukes by Israel is not even remotely close to the worst scenario.

You have to understand that basically everything we publicly know about nuclear weapons, from fission weapons, to thermonuclear weapons and neutron weapons, were discovered by Jewish/Zionist scientists. The Manhattan project was basically a gathering of Jews working on a way to destruct the world. Oppenheimer, Teller, Ulam, Von Neumann, Feynman, even Einstein who contributed only indirectly, they all were Jewish and pro-Israel. So, that's one argument for why Israel most likely has megaton nuclear weapons. It just happens to be that nuclear weapons have been invented by Zionists.

Secondly, 10 megaton is a pretty low threshold for thermonuclear weapons. The US broke that threshold in early 50s with the Castle Bravo test. The design that made that possible was again a completely Jewish (Teller-Ulam) design. But then again, Israel doesn't need to use that destructive power in one warhead. Most importantly, they could hit Tehran with multiple megaton nukes. Why not? They have over 200 warheads and I'm sure many of them are well over 100 kilotons. The US has over 3,000 warheads and can/will provide them with whatever they need.

Thirdly, you have to understand that unlike Iran that thinks nukes are haram (rofl), nuclear destruction of the nemesis is at the heart of Israel's deterrence policy. Israel is probably the only country in the world with something like the Samson option. They do not shy away from talking about it. In fact, Netanyahu himself has talked about wiping Iran off the map before. We both know that, again unlike Iran, Israel does not like half measures. So, one would logically assume that if they decide to nuke Tehran, they would not use a 50 kiloton nuke to leave some parts of Tehran intact. They would go for complete destruction instead.

Fourthly, if there is one country that is absolutely confident about using nukes and getting away with it, that would be Israel. As we speak, Israel is committing genocide and ethnic cleansing in Palestine and nobody is raising a finger. All world powers, with the exception of China, are supporting Israel. So, if push comes to shove, Israel may very well choose to commit genocide against Iran as well.

As for the second part of your post, first of all, you need to show the parameters you are feeding DeepSeek. Satellite imagery from the aftermath of Iran's attack Nevatim Airbase shows minimal damage. Only 3 structures have been more or less completely destroyed. That's less than even .1% of the area of the airbase.
Secondly, if you can't flatten an airbase, how do you plan to completely destroy a city?
The radiation part is the least difficult part of the problem. You can always use dirty bombs on the enemy. It's not only radiation. It's destructive power that is very unbalanced in your equation.

Why hasn't imam Putin nuked Zalintsky's busted ass yet?

You think Netanyahu has more oompph than Imam Putin? as in getting away with nuking Tehran?

Really?

 

[Kyussis]

Stupid people. Huh? The problem with the really smart armchair generals in this forum is that they believe everything they read in Zio media.
We have a moderator who could barely hold back his glee of the nothing Burger of this Israeli strike.

Yes, if the Americans could they would’ve already crushed Iran. The images in Gaza is what Tehran would have looked like . Steve Witcof would not be negotiating and involved in direct talks. If Israel was so awesome , they would have the empire fight their wars .

Zelzal 2 is a cheap rocket with a 750 KG warhead and 200+ kilo range. If 200 plus fired at critical infrastructure of an air base, the damage would set operations back for weeks if not indefinitely.

 

[Garcia Sea]

Honestly, I cannot understand the actions of Iran's reformist government.
Haven’t they seen time and again what negotiations with Israel and the United States look like?
If you agree to negotiate, you are always met with the enemy’s surprise attacks and assassinations.
And agreements are always broken, leaving you alone to bear unilateral obligations.
Before you know it, enemy fighter jets are freely flying over your country’s skies, ready to drop bombs on your children’s heads at any moment.
Of course, you are not allowed to retaliate; if you fire back even once, you will be labeled a terrorist and face international sanctions.
Does the reformist government want to place the Iranian people in such a humiliating situation?
Is their own self-preservation so important that they are willing to pay such a price?

 

[Oldenwisdom...قول بزرگ]

Honestly, I cannot understand the actions of Iran's reformist government.
Haven’t they seen time and again what negotiations with Israel and the United States look like?
If you agree to negotiate, you are always met with the enemy’s surprise attacks and assassinations.
And agreements are always broken, leaving you alone to bear unilateral obligations.
Before you know it, enemy fighter jets are freely flying over your country’s skies, ready to drop bombs on your children’s heads at any moment.
Of course, you are not allowed to retaliate; if you fire back even once, you will be labeled a terrorist and face international sanctions.
Does the reformist government want to place the Iranian people in such a humiliating situation?
Is their own self-preservation so important that they are willing to pay such a price?

In fact the clown(hell to pay) in-chief has already played his hand once in Gaza. Made a deal and changed goal posts and didn't even deliver on agreed terms.

If this is what Iran seeks, it is what they'll get... Libya disarmed. Qaddafi paid the ultimate price and the state became and easier meal to swallow. Iran doesn't even know it's strength and that is its ultimate fall!

Guys here talk about tens of thousands of missiles. Just on this alone they're missing the mark... there is a thin veneer generating optics of power and possibility to project for the belligerent. Few batteries and bases. Once these ports and bases are dysfunctional, especially countermeasures, it is a free-for-all!!!
You don't need a million man army. You need a calculated Disarmament of the foe... just that will push the ability to project another thousand miles away... if that... sustained and forever gone from the region.

Always aim for the lowest common denominator when you obviously cannot match platforms and systems. Besides there is no appetite nor endless supply for a Russia-esque meat grinder.

 

[Tijani]

Stupid people on this forum think firing some hundred or even 1000+ missiles on US assets in the region will "scare" US/NATO+Israel. These economies thrive on chaos, more IRGC will conventionally hit them, more the USD holding will increase in the international market because of new giant defence contracts and surplus oil by OPEC (Saudis already increasing production). This happened when Iraq was attacked in Persian Gulf war as well, USD strengthened due to crisis induced purchase contracts being dealt in USD. Despite fiery speeches, BRICS could not come up with their currency, actually no one can challenge dollar.

IRI should not fall into the Anglo-American Jew trap. Best way out is test the nukes openly and announce/show deployment spread across IRGC and Artesh. Then create a new bargaining chip of backing out of Levant and Peninsula and embracing international community, basically offing the nuclear program out of the table of talk. But Khamenei's gang needs fuel for local politics.

The eminent genius that knows better than all concerning everything continues to call those who disagree with his brilliant analyses "stupid".

 

[ShapurII]

Why hasn't imam Putin nuked Zalintsky's busted ass yet?

You think Netanyahu has more oompph than Imam Putin? as in getting away with nuking Tehran?

Really?

If you already don't see how Israel has gotten away with genocide and ethnic cleansing in Palestine (and is even supported to continue it) while Russia is suffering for a military operation with minimal civilian casualties in Ukraine, then there's no hope for you to understand politics and international affairs.