Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Lulldapull]

Foriegn Office already lost the first secretary of the state in first mandate of Trump, for same reason, Iran... Rex Tillerson's vendetta on the way, now better prepared to neutralize toxicity of Zionistic lobbyists...

What very few people do know that in usa most important influential richest etc...lobby is Aipac Zionistic one...

But for Iranian groups, that include Trita Parsi btw, is widely accepted opinion that zionists finally found their match...on 'their' ground...

Iraans got few worries these days. China/ Russia buying Iranian oil now in huge quantities and so are both Iraq and Turkey.......and even India buying it covertly.......via third parties.

Iraans making a good cold $150 bill annually by conservative estimates and at the end of the day Israel can't compete against that and now we all know this to be a fact.

Hence the apocalyptic scenarios and visions of Armageddon for the stupids all over.......lol

Its a joke man.

Trump can't do diddly about this except huffing n puffing to get Iraan onto its side. Get it to quit being nasty.

Thats about all whats happening.

Trump tryin pryin Iraans aways from Russia and China onto its side by shoving more dollars in their gobs than Russia n China.

I bet money Trumps doubled down on da bid! If yous can't fiight em........buy em!

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[LeGenD]

If NATO and Israelis could successfully attack, why has it taken them over 30 years to do it?

NATO was focused on Iraq [Operation Desert Shield (1990 - 1991); Operation Desert Storm (1991); Operation Iraqi Freedom (2003 - 2010); Operation New Dawn (2010 - 2011)] to defeat Saddam regime and reshape the political landscape of Iraq. NATO was also focused on a series of COIN operations in different countries including the ongoing Operation Inherent Resolve to defeat hostile Salafi-Jihadi networks. Israel is focused on degrading the Axis of Resistance elements in Gaza, West Bank, Syria, and Lebanon. Iran was not in focus until these challenges were addressed. Now the focus is on Iran.

NATO is already tired from the failing Ukraine war efforts and Israel cannot seriously attack Iran without US, which is also tired from Ukraine and low on ammunition (especially after excluding the ammunition stocks it needs for a Pacific "contingency")

NATO has not given up on Ukraine and Russian losses in Ukraine are staggering for limited gains in war (see this and this). Trump desire better relations with Russia for his interests, this is why he is pushing for a negotiated outcome in this war. The US is also addressing its "low on ammunition" problem (click).

But Arabs dunno how to fight and their expensive buildings and infrastructure is more vulnerable, because without it, they go back to the stone ages, so they gave Iran the blackmail tools to use against them. Also dont forget oil through the Strait of Hormuz- if it stays shut for months, Iran will suffer, but the Western system and the ones their Arab puppets also rely on, will likely enter a coma and possibly collapse.

Underestimating an opponent is a significant mistake, a lesson that is typically ignored. You claimed that the Iran-led Axis of Resistance will defeat Israel in war but said movement has lost much ground and capability due to ongoing clashes with Israel and the US in reality. Saudi Arabia also absorbed many strikes from Houthi in war. The GCC collective can overthrow Houthi with American support (there are anti-Houthi elements in Yemen that can be restructured and mobilized with external support) and Iran might find itself on the receiving end from multiple sides if war breaks out on a larger scale.

...that has never worked. I mean, lets see Israel and US actually dismantle HEzbollah FIRST- if they can do that, then we know they may be ready for an Iran war scenario. Until, then keep using PDF logic to conclude that a US that couldn't win any real war over the past 20 years will now beat Iran.

Hezbollah was routed from Syria and nearly crippled in Lebanon not long ago but Israel continues to monitor the situation on the ground and respond to potential threats in the region.

STATUS UPDATE

Saddam regime in Iraq = Defeated
Qaddafi regime in Libya = Defeated
Assad regime in Syria = Defeated
ISIL in Syria and Iraq = Defeated
Hezbollah in Syria and Lebanon = Defeated
Hamas in Gaza = Under attack
Houthi in Yemen = Under attack
Iran went from not willing to negotiate to having constructive talks with the US in 7 years.

These talks are a welcome development but they are happening at the backdrop of American military buildup in the Middle East and threats from Trump. Repeatedly claiming that the US is lacking in power, achievements in war, and options when ground realities seem to show otherwise is a delusion. Iran has comparable or better achievements in comparison? There is not much to be proud of in your shoes. Hope or prayers for a solution but don't assume that others cannot fight. Islam does not teach arrogance but acceptance of facts and finding solutions if necessary.

 

[PakFactor]

NATO was focused on Iraq [Operation Desert Shield (1990 - 1991); Operation Desert Storm (1991); Operation Iraqi Freedom (2003 - 2010); Operation New Dawn (2010 - 2011)] to defeat Saddam regime and reshape the political landscape of Iraq. NATO was also focused on a series of COIN operations in different countries including the ongoing Operation Inherent Resolve to defeat hostile Salafi-Jihadi networks. Israel is focused on degrading the Axis of Resistance elements in Gaza, West Bank, Syria, and Lebanon. Iran was not in focus until these challenges were addressed. Now the focus is on Iran.


NATO has not given up on Ukraine and Russian losses in Ukraine are staggering for limited gains in war (see this and this). Trump desire better relations with Russia for his interests, this is why he is pushing for a negotiated outcome in this war. The US is also addressing its "low on ammunition" problem (click).


Underestimating an opponent is a significant mistake, a lesson that is typically ignored. You claimed that the Iran-led Axis of Resistance will defeat Israel in war but said movement has lost much ground and capability due to ongoing clashes with Israel and the US in reality. Saudi Arabia also absorbed many strikes from Houthi in war. The GCC collective can overthrow Houthi with American support and Iran might find itself on the receiving end from multiple sides if war breaks out on a larger scale.


Hezbollah was routed from Syria and nearly crippled in Lebanon not long ago but Israel continues to monitor the situation and respond to potential threats in the region.

STATUS UPDATE

Saddam regime in Iraq = Defeated
Qaddafi regime in Libya = Defeated
Assad regime in Syria = Defeated
ISIL in Syria and Iraq = Defeated
Hezbollah in Syria and Lebanon = Defeated
Hamas in Gaza = Under attack
Houthi in Yemen = Under attack
Iran went from not willing to negotiate to having constructive talks with the US in 7 years.

These talks are a welcome development but they are happening at the backdrop of American military buildup in the Middle East and threats from Trump. Repeatedly claiming that the US is lacking in power, achievements in war, and options when ground realities seem to show otherwise is a delusion. There is not much to be proud of in your shoes. Hope for a better outcome but don't assume that others cannot fight.

Well stated,.

 

[Lulldapull]

The Israeli's are hanging onto dear life here. If negotiations fail and the US attempts to pacify Iran fail, Israel will continue to be in mortal danger. Any threats of military attack on Iran ringing hollow after what we've seen that those airstrikes accomplish sweet fukk all.

Trump might as well surrender to Iran at this point and secure Israels existence.

This is becoming a joke gents. Only an idiot will deny reality now:

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[hussain0216]

I can't understand why the US is acting in such a suicidal fashion! How difficult is it to understand that this is not the age of gunboat diplomacy? You don't have the guns nor the boats to effectively challenge China. The combined forces of the zionist West could hardly put a dent on Russia economically and militarily but they suddenly believe that China will fold? This is truly madness of the highest order! This China is not occupied Japan, she cannot be bullied into signing a Plaza Accord 2.0 to commit ritual economic suicide. It's literally as you've stated! The US doesn't hold the cards!

And that's exactly what the idiot yanks are looking for a Plaza accords Mk2, but this time with China

It was only because Japan was a cucked state that they agreed to the Plaza accords and they have suffered the consequences of their own cowardice,

China is not a cucked Japan, and knows it's strength China holds the cards, it's the U.S that needs the deal to save Itself, the status quo and even the harsh tarrifs is something China is fine with, it's the United States that desperately needs the deal

 

[Bharatah]

NATO was focused on Iraq [Operation Desert Shield (1990 - 1991); Operation Desert Storm (1991); Operation Iraqi Freedom (2003 - 2010); Operation New Dawn (2010 - 2011)] to defeat Saddam regime and reshape the political landscape of Iraq. NATO was also focused on a series of COIN operations in different countries including the ongoing Operation Inherent Resolve to defeat hostile Salafi-Jihadi networks. Israel is focused on degrading the Axis of Resistance elements in Gaza, West Bank, Syria, and Lebanon. Iran was not in focus until these challenges were addressed. Now the focus is on Iran.


NATO has not given up on Ukraine and Russian losses in Ukraine are staggering for limited gains in war (see this and this). Trump desire better relations with Russia for his interests, this is why he is pushing for a negotiated outcome in this war. The US is also addressing its "low on ammunition" problem (click).


Underestimating an opponent is a significant mistake, a lesson that is typically ignored. You claimed that the Iran-led Axis of Resistance will defeat Israel in war but said movement has lost much ground and capability due to ongoing clashes with Israel and the US in reality. Saudi Arabia also absorbed many strikes from Houthi in war. The GCC collective can overthrow Houthi with American support and Iran might find itself on the receiving end from multiple sides if war breaks out on a larger scale.


Hezbollah was routed from Syria and nearly crippled in Lebanon not long ago but Israel continues to monitor the situation on the ground and respond to potential threats in the region.

STATUS UPDATE

Saddam regime in Iraq = Defeated
Qaddafi regime in Libya = Defeated
Assad regime in Syria = Defeated
ISIL in Syria and Iraq = Defeated
Hezbollah in Syria and Lebanon = Defeated
Hamas in Gaza = Under attack
Houthi in Yemen = Under attack
Iran went from not willing to negotiate to having constructive talks with the US in 7 years.

These talks are a welcome development but they are happening at the backdrop of American military buildup in the Middle East and threats from Trump. Repeatedly claiming that the US is lacking in power, achievements in war, and options when ground realities seem to show otherwise is a delusion. Iran has comparable or better achievements in comparison? There is not much to be proud of in your shoes. Hope or prayers for a solution but don't assume that others cannot fight. This level of arrogance is contrary to Islamic teachings.

This is Zionist narrative: Hezbollah Defeated, so why Zionist lobby is wanting Hezbollah disarms? How are you going to disarm an enemy that has already been defeated! This is yet another "vortex" of narratives of military invincibility.

Defeating an enemy in a war, that's what happened to Germany in the "Second World War" but overthrowing a government is not the same as destroying its "enemy." The United States overthrew the government of Vietnam, for example... The fall of Saddam did not create a more pro-US/Israeli Iraq; on the contrary, it created a more anti-US/Israeli Iraq, to the point that several military attacks on American bases and the Zionist entity "Israel" were launched from there that did not happen in Saddam's time, who(Sadam) only attacked Iran, which is an enemy of the USA/Israel !. The same thing will happen in Syria in a few years(POS Assad) ,where for the first time, coming from Syrian territory there will be attacks on the Zionist entity and the American bases that occupy the country, let's wait and see.

"These talks are a welcome development but they are happening at the backdrop of American military buildup in the Middle East and threats from Trump."

No, this is what Trump and the Zionist lobby want people to think. When there was the Hezbollah agreement with Israel, it was agreed that ASSAD WOULD LEAVE (with Iran's approval) and that there would be talks about lifting embargoes between the US and Iran, as Trump knew (months in advance) about this negotiation, he moved troops to areas more or less close to the Middle East, to create the effect that he was on top in the negotiation or that his adversaries were intimidated by him. This is an old tactic to show political strength.

 

[HAIDER]

US shouldn't put the condition where they face resistance, and US failed to achieve anything ...avoid potential strategic failure. Because West has already used all sanctions, nothing much to left to impose.
A main point on the table will be Israeli protection. Situation in Iraq. Houthi attack on cargo ships.

 

[hussain0216]

It seems like the US abandoned their demands about missile part and are focusing solely on non-weaponization of Iran

Hardcore Israeli/Evangelical hasbara/propaganda elements have been simulataneously activated with the aim of purging/firing pro-diplomacy elements in the US regime and put AngloJew warmongers at their place

Iranians that wants Iran being bombed should have their birth certificate permanently destroyed

Iranian patriots should burn into their memory what the shah supporters and Zoroastrian types are doing, their should be consequences for this treachery a d it should be sever and eternal

 

[not_ahk]

Where's the thread on Gaza?

 

[Lulldapull]

Iranian patriots should burn into their memory what the shah supporters and Zoroastrian types are doing, their should be consequences for this treachery a d it should be sever and eternal

Look at our bastards who support the GCC dalit muzlim and Turkey/ Daesh terrorists and Talibunnies/ BLA/ TTP/ Al-Qaeda here......lol

Are they any better?

They are just as bad!

All on CIA payroll.

 

[Garcia Sea]

Have people already forgotten what happened in Lebanon, Syria, and Yemen after the false ceasefires?
Have they forgotten that Trump is still relentlessly bombing Yemen, attempting to destroy it entirely?
I’m baffled by how easily people are deceived every single time.
Study the tactics of the West throughout history.
During wars of aggression, they always dangle the bait of a false peace, divide public opinion in the enemy nation, erode resistance gradually, and then launch a surprise attack when the guard is down—that’s their strategy.
Iraq, Libya, Syria, Lebanon—all were destroyed this way.
Non-Western peoples are too insensitive to the West’s malice and far too ignorant of the Machiavellianism embraced by Western politicians.
Look at Canada and the EU in this recent tariff dispute—they’re furious over minor tariffs, retaliating fiercely, and showing no weakness in negotiations.
That’s how negotiations with the West must be handled. They understand exactly how to deal with their own kind. They know that any concession spells defeat.

 

[Developereo]

During wars of aggression, they always dangle the bait of a false peace

Everyone knows that Israel and its slave governments do the peace charade as propaganda campaign to fool the Western public that they tried everything else first.

Israel is so boastful of its absolute domination over the West that it doesn't even bother with the peace charade any more.

 

[vmro]

Have people already forgotten what happened in Lebanon, Syria, and Yemen after the false ceasefires?
Have they forgotten that Trump is still relentlessly bombing Yemen, attempting to destroy it entirely?
I’m baffled by how easily people are deceived every single time.
Study the tactics of the West throughout history.
During wars of aggression, they always dangle the bait of a false peace, divide public opinion in the enemy nation, erode resistance gradually, and then launch a surprise attack when the guard is down—that’s their strategy.
Iraq, Libya, Syria, Lebanon—all were destroyed this way.
Non-Western peoples are too insensitive to the West’s malice and far too ignorant of the Machiavellianism embraced by Western politicians.
Look at Canada and the EU in this recent tariff dispute—they’re furious over minor tariffs, retaliating fiercely, and showing no weakness in negotiations.
That’s how negotiations with the West must be handled. They understand exactly how to deal with their own kind. They know that any concession spells defeat.

Times have changed, now China is true global superpower, they are biggest trading partners to everyone, literally, so they are too big to fail, position that was solely reserved for usa... Trump declared economic war to allies, decided to take Greenland from Danmark, of all states, to be prepared for the future global reality...

Maybe we can talk about biasing forum postings, like every other forum on the web...

But the fact is that some events from last period are without precedent, and on global scale, directly involved in the issue we are talking about... I understand your position, based on previous experience, very logical approach... But undeniably obvious is the new international situation....

 

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The thing is that Iran has been calling for nuclear weapons free West Asia for a very long time. I don't see a situation where the US would accept such a scenario or where the zionist entity would willing relinquish it's stockpile.
I believe the most likely outcome of these indirect negotiations is the US returning to JCPOA before it expires with all the existing preconditions and an immediate lifting of all unilateral sanctions imposed by the zionist West.