SaadH
Elite Member
So Israel will continue bombing Iran at will and Iran will lob some missiles back? How does the current situation change?
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j_hungary
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lol, all these talk about nulcear weapon, but I thinks most of you have no clue on how you can make one.
First of all, we are talking about Uranium-based Nuclear Weapon, not Plutonium-based, you enrich Plutonium cake differently than Uranium, so I am not going to talk about Plutonium base enrichment here, if you want to know the different, go read up this
en.wikipedia.org
The natural existence of Uranium is U238, U235 is the fissile isotrop that exist in 0.7% of Uranium naturally, and a U238 ore will make you sick but it will not be able to sustain nuclear fission because there are not enough unstable electron in it, and you need to keep splitting the Uranium atom to self-substain a fission cycle, that's the main reason why nuclear energy exist, you split a U238 with a electron from U-235 and break it down, energy release when that atom break down, and if you have enough U-235 in an fuel cake, you can sustain that cycle, 0.7% will get you no where.
NUlear Power Plant uses 3 to 5 % enriched Uranium, Enriching Uranium is basically you put more U235 on a fuel, above the original 0.7%, that way you can sustain a longer chain reaction, you do this by putting Uranium into a Centrifuge, both 235 and 238 have the same chemical property, and the only thing different is the atomic mass, and 3 is not a very big mass, a centrifuge will spin the Uranium and separate the tiny mass by driving it into a centrifical force, the "heavier" 238 will stay outside of the cylinder, while the lighter 235 will concentrate in the middle, that's how you separate U235 and U238, however, you can't do this on one go, and it takes helluva power to do that, so you have to constantly spin the same fuel and taken out a chunk of U238 with each spin, which mean there are a lot of calibration you will need to do during the entire process, and for a Weapon Grade Uranium, you need to enrich that Uranium beyond 85% (the lowest of the require mass to self sustain "indefinitely". Most Centrifuge works from stage between 0.7% to 1% then from 1% to 3% then from 3 to 10, 10-20, 20-50, 50-60 (the most critical, as the U235 mass is then stable enough to not swing out with U238 atom) then 60-85+. Once you have the cake at 85%, you have your HEU (Highly Enriched Uranium) that is good for nuclear weapon.
Conventional (not experimental power plant) can only take a 5% cake, otherwise you are going to melt the reactor down, so when a country having an Uranium cake beyond 20%, that mean you have the intention on making it into Nuclear Weapon, the last report IAEA finding is Iran have a 22% cake (That's about 10 years ago IIRC, but don't quote me on that) so Iran is without doubt they are trying to make nuclear weapon..
First of all, we are talking about Uranium-based Nuclear Weapon, not Plutonium-based, you enrich Plutonium cake differently than Uranium, so I am not going to talk about Plutonium base enrichment here, if you want to know the different, go read up this
Weapons-grade nuclear material - Wikipedia
The natural existence of Uranium is U238, U235 is the fissile isotrop that exist in 0.7% of Uranium naturally, and a U238 ore will make you sick but it will not be able to sustain nuclear fission because there are not enough unstable electron in it, and you need to keep splitting the Uranium atom to self-substain a fission cycle, that's the main reason why nuclear energy exist, you split a U238 with a electron from U-235 and break it down, energy release when that atom break down, and if you have enough U-235 in an fuel cake, you can sustain that cycle, 0.7% will get you no where.
NUlear Power Plant uses 3 to 5 % enriched Uranium, Enriching Uranium is basically you put more U235 on a fuel, above the original 0.7%, that way you can sustain a longer chain reaction, you do this by putting Uranium into a Centrifuge, both 235 and 238 have the same chemical property, and the only thing different is the atomic mass, and 3 is not a very big mass, a centrifuge will spin the Uranium and separate the tiny mass by driving it into a centrifical force, the "heavier" 238 will stay outside of the cylinder, while the lighter 235 will concentrate in the middle, that's how you separate U235 and U238, however, you can't do this on one go, and it takes helluva power to do that, so you have to constantly spin the same fuel and taken out a chunk of U238 with each spin, which mean there are a lot of calibration you will need to do during the entire process, and for a Weapon Grade Uranium, you need to enrich that Uranium beyond 85% (the lowest of the require mass to self sustain "indefinitely". Most Centrifuge works from stage between 0.7% to 1% then from 1% to 3% then from 3 to 10, 10-20, 20-50, 50-60 (the most critical, as the U235 mass is then stable enough to not swing out with U238 atom) then 60-85+. Once you have the cake at 85%, you have your HEU (Highly Enriched Uranium) that is good for nuclear weapon.
Conventional (not experimental power plant) can only take a 5% cake, otherwise you are going to melt the reactor down, so when a country having an Uranium cake beyond 20%, that mean you have the intention on making it into Nuclear Weapon, the last report IAEA finding is Iran have a 22% cake (That's about 10 years ago IIRC, but don't quote me on that) so Iran is without doubt they are trying to make nuclear weapon..
SteppeWolff
Trusted Member
The Muslim world did widely condemn 9/11 from the Arab League and OIC to AlAzhar, even Hezbollah, and Hamas. Even Iran and Libya denounced it. A fringe minority celebrating doesn’t reflect 1.8 billion people, just as the KKK doesn’t represent all Christians. Meanwhile, Western governments still fund and arm Israel despite its 75 year occupation, apartheid (per Amnesty, HRW, and UN reports), and tens of thousands civilians killed in Gaza and Gaza turned into rubble. Where’s the moral consistency?
On your second point:
Hypocrisy in domestic debates (abortion, death penalty) doesn’t absolve Western state hypocrisy. The U.S. vetoes UN ceasefires to shield Israel while lecturing others on "human rights." Condemning capital punishment but supplying bombs for collective punishment in Gaza is peak doublespeak.
The difference is that Muslim institutions officially disown terror groups. Western states bankroll theirs.
j_hungary
Professional
Well, they found 83.7% fuel particule does not necessarily mean they are at 83.7% enrichment cycle, it just mean they have material that has 83.7% U235 in it, I mean if you pick a spot in the centre of the centrifuge, it ALWAYS have the highest amount of the % of the cake because that's where the U235 start mixing instead of separating (Again the concentration of U235 will be the biggest in the middle of the entire cake), it means that it could be a by-product of fission, it could also mean they reach the 60% +. It only mean that it is unlikely it was in low percentage,
You need to examine the cake instead of the particle left in the centrifuge to know how far the enrichment process has gone. I remember they found 45 or something % 10 years ago on a 22% fuel they were showing to the IAEA
Bengal71
Trusted Member
150M can't be penetrated by GBU-57. The only way is to penetrate 60M using the GBU-57 and detonating a nuke under the 60M depth and the resulting earthquake do the job. But using a nuke even underground is unlikely.
RealNapster
Elite Member
Oh bhai, why they didn’t get planes and radars and SAMS from Chinese during all these past years?
Soch na bhai…….
I will ask Iran and let you know.
Lulldapull
Trusted Member
RealNapster
Elite Member
You know me no?
I don’t lie no?
Come on no?
I told you stay away from the under construction building, or at least wear a safety helmet....
j_hungary
Professional
You can drop a GBU-57 on top of the crater of a GBU 57 and you get 70% of the penetration power, IIRC, they dropped 3 in Fordo. So if they really are dropping it on tantem, it can reach the depth
Hayabusa
Registered Member
Keep in mind, that report dates back to 2023. At the time, the concern centered on an estimated 130kg of 60% enriched uranium. That figure has since surged to around 400kg.
While I’m not a nuclear expert, it would be naive to assume they haven’t already enriched some of it to 85% by now cinsiderinf as you said, easier to enrich from 60% to 85% then 0 to 60%.
But to stay focused on my main point: despite claims of a significant strike against Iran’s nuclear infrastructure targeting both facilities and expertise their own intelligence assessments concede that the setback amounts to only a few months, not decades.
Ultimately, we may never truly know the full extent of Iran’s nuclear capabilities, especially with the possibility of undisclosed black sites scattered across its vast territory. One thing seems certain Fordow will not be the last underground facility they willl build.
StrategicBear
Registered Member
Next time destroy Dimona if they attack Iran again.
I am sick and tired of seeing Israel bombing Muslim countries.
Just wipe them out no matter what the consequences the next time. The world will thank Iran for getting rid of such a Satanic State.
Hakwa Nadro
Trusted Member
Was the nuclear card used by the Israeli Occupation Forces to force a ceasefire in the current conflict just like in 1973 when they were losing? If Iran has the capacity they should test the bomb now.
Blueishere
Registered Member
Humanity has yet to triumph Mother Nature.
gambit
Professional
Ever consider the possibility that this so called 'raged' is performative? Bump needs to show the world, not just Israel and Iran, that he is a 'strong man', like how he admires dictators.
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