Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

Shadi hassan said:
Makes it even worse that the surprise attack came over months while Israeli operatives were inside the country with Iranian intelligence not even aware than for them to takeout many of their best air defenses so quickly and quite a few other targets showed the Iranians didn’t learn anything from what occurred with Hezbollah they either were totally incompetent or had more than quite a few people turning a blind eye for cash
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That is the biggest scandal and failure in Iran. We can go back to 10 years of Israel detonating bombs in Iran and killing scientists and important people. Then we have Haniyeh assasination in Tehran just last year. Yet Iranian security officials were asleep.
 
Watandar said:
That is the biggest scandal and failure in Iran. We can go back to 10 years of Israel detonating bombs in Iran and killing scientists and important people. Then we have Haniyeh assasination in Tehran just last year. Yet Iranian security officials were asleep.
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Like I said yeah Mossad is good no one can deny that but they tend to have quite a few inside guys that are paid handsomely or blackmailed and once the operations are over they leave them to be caught not because they are worried Iranians will have caught on to them it’s because it’s done and over they don’t need those pawns anymore they move on to the next set of pawns that have not been activated and have no connections to the ones that are not needed anymore.
 
ShapurII said:
You cannot have an air defense without an air force. They complement each other.
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The combination of armed drones (Shaheeds, etc) + plus hypersonic missiles and other ballistic missiles such as (Shahab, Sejjil, etc) provide Iran a formidable air force. Everything doesn't have to be a manned aircraft.

In just 12 days, the Iranian drones and ballistic/hypersonic missiles emptied Israelis' and their Western backers' interceptors. They also crippled Israeli airbases, economic infrastructure, and nuclear research centers.

What handicapped Iranian air defense was the terrorists roaming in the country, attacking all radars, air defense sites, and missile launchers. This terrorist menace needs to be uprooted with ruthless measures.
 
Hassan Al-Somal said:
The combination of armed drones (Shaheeds, etc) + plus hypersonic missiles and other ballistic missiles such as (Shahab, Sejjil, etc) provide Iran a formidable air force. Everything doesn't have to be a manned aircraft.

In just 12 days, the Iranian drones and ballistic/hypersonic missiles emptied Israelis' and their Western backers' interceptors. They also crippled Israeli airbases, economic infrastructure, and nuclear research centers.

What handicapped Iranian air defense was the terrorists roaming in the country, attacking all radars, air defense sites, and missile launchers. This terrorist menace needs to be uprooted with ruthless measures.
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Shahed and missile won't protect your country on a defensive perspective
 
Hassan Al-Somal said:
The combination of armed drones (Shaheeds, etc) + plus hypersonic missiles and other ballistic missiles such as (Shahab, Sejjil, etc) provide Iran a formidable air force. Everything doesn't have to be a manned aircraft.

In just 12 days, the Iranian drones and ballistic/hypersonic missiles emptied Israelis' and their Western backers' interceptors. They also crippled Israeli airbases, economic infrastructure, and nuclear research centers.

What handicapped Iranian air defense was the terrorists roaming in the country, attacking all radars, air defense sites, and missile launchers. This terrorist menace needs to be uprooted with ruthless measures.
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Not really. It's not even remotely close to an air force.

Even if they hadn't suppressed our air defenses from inside the country, we would've still failed to deter their attacks like Operation Day of Repentance in 2024. It would've been more risky and costly for sure, but still doable.

An air force allows you to keep your airborne assets like AEW&C intact. Stationary OTH radars are easy targets for a capable enemy like the Israeli air force, and we need OTH radars for a mountainous country like Iran. We need to have airborne assets and that is impossible without having air superiority jet fighters to protect them in the air.

An air force also allows you to establish a buffer zone and keep the enemy far from firing range. Israel used ALBMs and ALCMs against Iran over the Iraqi airspace and the Caspian Sea. Your long-range SAMs are useless if the enemy can fire at them from a far distance outside of your AD coverage. No matter how good your AD is, the best long-range systems in the world hardly reach 400km-500km. That is not enough to deter aerial threats.

As for offense, since a jet fighter can be used multiple times, it eventually gives you a much stronger fire power than relying on missiles alone. I remember we once calculated here on PDF that If Iran wants to equalize the fire power of Israel/US with ballistic missiles alone, we will need 100,000-150,000 MRBMs, which is impossible. We do not have more than 10,000 MRBMs, if we do.
 
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mangekyo said:
Cats out of the bag. They will go for full balkanization. There’s no way back. Going nuclear buys IRI some more time, but there’s nothing they can do in the long run.

Nuclear or non nuclear, they will keep hitting us with sanctions and turn us into North Korea. They will drop bombs on us from time to time. Once people have had enough, they will demand regime change.
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You are the only Iranian here who has come to this logical understanding with brutal honesty. After the bomb is constructed and successfully tested, the regime will find itself in a position of safety, while all trade between the world and Iran will come to an abrupt and indefinite stop. There may be some level of trade between Iran and China as well as Russia, but every transaction will ultimately disadvantage the Iranians. Both Beijing and Moscow will exploit the regime without any reservations or ethical constraints.

Having nuclear weapons this late in game is no longer the best solution but more so a less-than-ideal patch on a bleeding wound.

All of this is happening to the Iranian people because Khamenei is 10 years too late and didn't realise back then how the window of opportunity is slowly but steadily closing.

Imagine if Iran had tested the bomb 15 years ago. The Europeans would have lifted any sanctions imposed on Tehran the moment Russian troops entered Ukrainian territory just to receive cheap energy from a non-Russian source. Remember the panicking and hyperventilation in Europe at the start of the Russian invasion.

This would have provided both trade and security, as well as deterrence and prosperity for Iran.

Today there are no longer victories to gain but sore compromises left on the table for Iran.
 
Nuclear weapons are to be used when the survival of the country's rulers and systems are under threat, that's why Iran needs them.

MAD happens and at the end of the day Iranians can always justifiably blame the aggressors who started the lethal exchange first in case if God in the AfterLife asks who started the Nuclear War first. So Justice is always on Iran's side no matter what.
 
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