Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[ShapurII]

So, you agree with what the former PM is saying? Where is that quote from Netanyaboo? I remember him asking the people to rise, and Reza Pahlavi had packed his bags ready to land, but it did not turn out that way.

Yes, I agree with Ehud Olmert on this particular issue. Israel had planned for 12 days and asked for ceasefire exactly when they wanted. Israel was obviously better prepared for the war as well.

Olmert says that Israelis didn't leave their large cities but that's only because they had bunkers. And most people in Tehran, or other large cities of Iran, did not leave their homes either.

The funny thing is, now that I'm looking for this 12-day claim, I cannot find it anymore. But everyone here remembers that they had said the operation would take 12-14 days from the very first day of the war. Even Iran International had repeated this multiple times during the war. It's weird that it has been completely censored now.

 

[Shags101]

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Makes it even worse that the surprise attack came over months while Israeli operatives were inside the country with Iranian intelligence not even aware than for them to takeout many of their best air defenses so quickly and quite a few other targets showed the Iranians didn’t learn anything from what occurred with Hezbollah they either were totally incompetent or had more than quite a few people turning a blind eye for cash

 

[Watandar]

But I think what pushed USA to cause ceasefire was two Chinese cargo planes that landed in Iran.
What was inside?

Equipment to switch to Chinese GPS and communications equipment that Israel could not compromise.

Israel has been focused on Iran for many years and compromised almost all of its communications. This hurt Hezbollah and Houthis as well with reports Houthis were rapidly replacing all iranian origin communications stuff.

 

[Hack-Hook]

We had 2 choice :

1- Buying J10A with cash and without any joint production and without ability to upgrade fighter and doing any change in subsystems unless China gave permission (they even didn't let us Upgrade J7s)...
2- Buying Su35 without paying in cash and with Joint Production and with full control on subsystems and platform ...

Well , the choice is obvious ...

Side note: we have history of being first or one of first customer(s) of many Chinese products, from their cars to Oil Tanker ( in fact they started their Oil Tanker production by getting first orders from Iran ).
In all case after using Iran as test subject, they ditched Iran when they got more advanced and found new market or customer and didn't sell their goods to us anymore ... Their best car makers stop doing business with us after they used Iran as test subject and gained experienced in Iran, the moment they could enter new markets they stop business with us completely , their Cellphone makers did some to us and even right now they don't allow Iranians to even create an account for their Cellphone while even South Korea and USA allow Iranian to make account in their platforms!!!

third choice Was to spend the Money to develop indigenous platform

 

[Watandar]

Makes it even worse that the surprise attack came over months while Israeli operatives were inside the country with Iranian intelligence not even aware than for them to takeout many of their best air defenses so quickly and quite a few other targets showed the Iranians didn’t learn anything from what occurred with Hezbollah they either were totally incompetent or had more than quite a few people turning a blind eye for cash

That is the biggest scandal and failure in Iran. We can go back to 10 years of Israel detonating bombs in Iran and killing scientists and important people. Then we have Haniyeh assasination in Tehran just last year. Yet Iranian security officials were asleep.

 

[mangekyo]

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[Hack-Hook]

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you Mean the cut interview that he was talked about ahmadinezhad not rouhani

 

[Shags101]

That is the biggest scandal and failure in Iran. We can go back to 10 years of Israel detonating bombs in Iran and killing scientists and important people. Then we have Haniyeh assasination in Tehran just last year. Yet Iranian security officials were asleep.

Like I said yeah Mossad is good no one can deny that but they tend to have quite a few inside guys that are paid handsomely or blackmailed and once the operations are over they leave them to be caught not because they are worried Iranians will have caught on to them it’s because it’s done and over they don’t need those pawns anymore they move on to the next set of pawns that have not been activated and have no connections to the ones that are not needed anymore.

 

[tsunset]

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[Hassan Al-Somal]

You cannot have an air defense without an air force. They complement each other.

The combination of armed drones (Shaheeds, etc) + plus hypersonic missiles and other ballistic missiles such as (Shahab, Sejjil, etc) provide Iran a formidable air force. Everything doesn't have to be a manned aircraft.

In just 12 days, the Iranian drones and ballistic/hypersonic missiles emptied Israelis' and their Western backers' interceptors. They also crippled Israeli airbases, economic infrastructure, and nuclear research centers.

What handicapped Iranian air defense was the terrorists roaming in the country, attacking all radars, air defense sites, and missile launchers. This terrorist menace needs to be uprooted with ruthless measures.

 

[Hack-Hook]

he is an American asset they killed real president in helicopter crash

a friendly warning stop spreading false information

 

[Cash gk]

a friendly warning stop spreading false information

But they did not kill Iranian generals. You have no idea buddy

 

[tsunset]

The combination of armed drones (Shaheeds, etc) + plus hypersonic missiles and other ballistic missiles such as (Shahab, Sejjil, etc) provide Iran a formidable air force. Everything doesn't have to be a manned aircraft.

In just 12 days, the Iranian drones and ballistic/hypersonic missiles emptied Israelis' and their Western backers' interceptors. They also crippled Israeli airbases, economic infrastructure, and nuclear research centers.

What handicapped Iranian air defense was the terrorists roaming in the country, attacking all radars, air defense sites, and missile launchers. This terrorist menace needs to be uprooted with ruthless measures.

Shahed and missile won't protect your country on a defensive perspective

 

[ShapurII]

The combination of armed drones (Shaheeds, etc) + plus hypersonic missiles and other ballistic missiles such as (Shahab, Sejjil, etc) provide Iran a formidable air force. Everything doesn't have to be a manned aircraft.

In just 12 days, the Iranian drones and ballistic/hypersonic missiles emptied Israelis' and their Western backers' interceptors. They also crippled Israeli airbases, economic infrastructure, and nuclear research centers.

What handicapped Iranian air defense was the terrorists roaming in the country, attacking all radars, air defense sites, and missile launchers. This terrorist menace needs to be uprooted with ruthless measures.

Not really. It's not even remotely close to an air force.

Even if they hadn't suppressed our air defenses from inside the country, we would've still failed to deter their attacks like Operation Day of Repentance in 2024. It would've been more risky and costly for sure, but still doable.

An air force allows you to keep your airborne assets like AEW&C intact. Stationary OTH radars are easy targets for a capable enemy like the Israeli air force, and we need OTH radars for a mountainous country like Iran. We need to have airborne assets and that is impossible without having air superiority jet fighters to protect them in the air.

An air force also allows you to establish a buffer zone and keep the enemy far from firing range. Israel used ALBMs and ALCMs against Iran over the Iraqi airspace and the Caspian Sea. Your long-range SAMs are useless if the enemy can fire at them from a far distance outside of your AD coverage. No matter how good your AD is, the best long-range systems in the world hardly reach 400km-500km. That is not enough to deter aerial threats.

As for offense, since a jet fighter can be used multiple times, it eventually gives you a much stronger fire power than relying on missiles alone. I remember we once calculated here on PDF that If Iran wants to equalize the fire power of Israel/US with ballistic missiles alone, we will need 100,000-150,000 MRBMs, which is impossible. We do not have more than 10,000 MRBMs, if we do.

 

[Eşbah]

Cats out of the bag. They will go for full balkanization. There’s no way back. Going nuclear buys IRI some more time, but there’s nothing they can do in the long run.

Nuclear or non nuclear, they will keep hitting us with sanctions and turn us into North Korea. They will drop bombs on us from time to time. Once people have had enough, they will demand regime change.

You are the only Iranian here who has come to this logical understanding with brutal honesty. After the bomb is constructed and successfully tested, the regime will find itself in a position of safety, while all trade between the world and Iran will come to an abrupt and indefinite stop. There may be some level of trade between Iran and China as well as Russia, but every transaction will ultimately disadvantage the Iranians. Both Beijing and Moscow will exploit the regime without any reservations or ethical constraints.

Having nuclear weapons this late in game is no longer the best solution but more so a less-than-ideal patch on a bleeding wound.

All of this is happening to the Iranian people because Khamenei is 10 years too late and didn't realise back then how the window of opportunity is slowly but steadily closing.

Imagine if Iran had tested the bomb 15 years ago. The Europeans would have lifted any sanctions imposed on Tehran the moment Russian troops entered Ukrainian territory just to receive cheap energy from a non-Russian source. Remember the panicking and hyperventilation in Europe at the start of the Russian invasion.

This would have provided both trade and security, as well as deterrence and prosperity for Iran.

Today there are no longer victories to gain but sore compromises left on the table for Iran.