Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

Persian Gulf said:
I believe I posted a well known Iranian source who commented on an article from Iran International

Iran International are traitors hostile to the IRI and in cahoots with Israel. but they have some good sources and have broken big stories before. so judge each story on its own merits. I appreciate that such nuance and critical thinking may be difficult for some
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"but they have some good sources and have broken big stories before."
So I take it that you watch the channel often. How about VOA?
Below is directly from their site
“VOA provides trusted and objective news and information in 48 languages to people in countries lacking a free press.”

Translation:
PsyOps
The goal is to influence minds, weaken trust in government, and create internal dissent.

The IRI has wasted at least 20 trillion dollars of national wealth with its failed foreign policy. However, there is no objective political analysis from these entities.

Here is former US Congresswoman Jane Harman back in 2009
“The Persian population in Iran is not a majority… there are many different, diverse, and disagreeing populations inside Iran and an obvious strategy… is to separate those populations.”
www.dailykos.com

Thank you, Jane Harman.

I want to thank Jane Harman for reversing course in retracting at least one of her incendiary remarks at ...
www.dailykos.com

Critical thinking, I am going to work on that.
 
kastor ville said:
At this point in time....we have to support these incompetent fools, because if we don't the enemy will destroy our country, and turn us into a failed state....after this crisis is over, I will be joining you asking for their wholesale dismissal and a change to the constitution. The clergy cannot be in charge of important organs of power, intelligence, military command and decision making. Ultimately the Iranian people would have to decide what kind of people they want leading them.
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They put us in this position by involving Iran in Intra-semite wars that we have no stake in. One can say they are following principles of Islam but to what avail? are we the only entity responsible for Islam? Jordanians and Egyptians see their kin Palestinians being butchered to shreds at their borders daily but they do nothing. Turkish are supplying Israel with 6 Billion USD worth Raw materials yearly as we speak, Azerbaijan is supplying its oil to Israel, nuclear armed pakistan does not even send a nail to Palestine, Arab league is opening Israeli embassies in their capitals then why we an ancient non semite nation has to suffer in name of Islam and Palestine? Islamic Republic Mullahs put us on a collision course against global zio mafia that controls US, EU, NATO. And while they made sure we have no nuclear teeth, no actual strategic allies, nothing ... just stupid mullahs and their Islamic "principles".

Iran with its resources, its human capital, its large geography could have been a great power like Japan or France if not for these stupid socialist priests running a shit show in Tehran.
 
That tiny country 1500 miles away
 
That tiny country 1500 miles away strikes again . It is an amazing place that tiny country where its billionaires elect American politicians like they are the staff at McDonalds .

Super PAC Targeting Massie Funded By Three Israel-Backing Billionaires​

BY TYLER DURDEN
SUNDAY, AUG 03, 2025 - 03:05 PM
Though it sports a Kentucky- and MAGA-branded name, the new Super PAC launched solely to support a primary challenge against popular Republican Congressman Thomas Massie is funded entirely by three Israel-backing billionairesfrom Nevada, New York and Florida, according to disclosure filings posted on Thursday.

The super PAC was launched in June, just days after President Trump threw a social media tantrum over Massie's condemnation of Trump's commitment of US forces to Israel's war on Iran. Massie has long been a thorn in Trump's side on domestic issues too, from opposing the $2 trillion, Trump-backed Covid-19 "relief package" in 2020 to voting against this year's Big Beautiful Bill. However, Massie's opposition to US involvement in Israel's war seemed to have been the last straw. Trump assigned his top political operatives Tony Fabrizio and Chris LaCivita to start and run the super PAC. LaCivita told Axios the entity will spend "whatever it takes" to oust Massie.

Miriam Adelson is one of three Israel-backing billionaires funding an effort to oust Rep. Thomas Massie (Getty via The New Arab)
The PAC's only three donors have two things in common: they're billionaires, and they're ardent supporters of Israel. According to the PAC's first funding disclosure filed with the Federal Election Commission on Thursday, it has received:
 
FUB said:
That tiny country 1500 miles away strikes again . It is an amazing place that tiny country where its billionaires elect American politicians like they are the staff at McDonalds .

Super PAC Targeting Massie Funded By Three Israel-Backing Billionaires​

BY TYLER DURDEN
SUNDAY, AUG 03, 2025 - 03:05 PM
Though it sports a Kentucky- and MAGA-branded name, the new Super PAC launched solely to support a primary challenge against popular Republican Congressman Thomas Massie is funded entirely by three Israel-backing billionairesfrom Nevada, New York and Florida, according to disclosure filings posted on Thursday.

The super PAC was launched in June, just days after President Trump threw a social media tantrum over Massie's condemnation of Trump's commitment of US forces to Israel's war on Iran. Massie has long been a thorn in Trump's side on domestic issues too, from opposing the $2 trillion, Trump-backed Covid-19 "relief package" in 2020 to voting against this year's Big Beautiful Bill. However, Massie's opposition to US involvement in Israel's war seemed to have been the last straw. Trump assigned his top political operatives Tony Fabrizio and Chris LaCivita to start and run the super PAC. LaCivita told Axios the entity will spend "whatever it takes" to oust Massie.

Miriam Adelson is one of three Israel-backing billionaires funding an effort to oust Rep. Thomas Massie (Getty via The New Arab)
The PAC's only three donors have two things in common: they're billionaires, and they're ardent supporters of Israel. According to the PAC's first funding disclosure filed with the Federal Election Commission on Thursday, it has received:
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That's how the dominated the US politic.....if they can't buy them, they will buy someone to run against them....if by an outside chance that also fails, they will smear them, honeytrap them, or use outright manufactured lies to bring them down....just ask Jeremy Corbyn
 
FUB said:
UN Weapons inspector
Ritter worked as a weapons inspector for the United Nations Special Commission from 1991 to 1998, which was charged with finding and destroying all weapons of mass destruction and WMD-related manufacturing capabilities in Iraq. He was the chief inspector in fourteen of more than thirty inspection missions in which he participated.
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Scott Ritter was a hawk that Iraq was actively pursuing nuclear weapons.


Mahdi Obeidi recalled being interrogated by Ritter and the irony is that both agreed that under UN definition of nuclear weapons program, Saddam Hussein was trying make Iraq a nuclear weapons state.

 
Hello Gents,

Just my two cents below...

HOW DO YOU DEFINE MILITARY VICTORY ?
- Attaining military goals​
- Attaining political goals​
- Maintaining good capabilities after war (not being ruined / exposed)​
- Gaining political leverage over the enemy​

You are free to add your criteria of course..........

TO SUMMARIZE ALL THAT SEE BELOW
SIDEGOALPRIORITYRESULT
ISRAEL / U.S.Iran nuclear capabilities destructionTopPartial (unknown)
Iran missile capabilities destructionTopFailure
Iran conventional military capabilities damagingOptionalFailure
Iran regime decapitation (for regime change)OptionalWeak
Mass protests triggering (for regime change)TopFailure
U.S. intervention triggering (boots on ground)TopFailure
IRANRegime survival / legitimacyTopSuccess
Israel's attrition / kickbackOptionalSuccess
Military assets preservationOptionalPartial
Infrastructure preservationTopPartial
 
Persian Gulf said:




even MSIA have accepted reality
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I googled about MSIA, I didn't find anything except a Telegram channel and two studies.

The Telegram channel of this "Institute" is a total joke. Compare it to social media channels of any real think tank.

The two studies are here:




No author is mentioned, nothing about the "Institute" is mentioned, no sources are mentioned....when I was in 9th grade in school I made better studies for homework!

Even MEK would make better propaganda stuff than this "Institute", which in reality consists of one person who probably is paid to release "qualified" stuff for gullible people like you!

Typical Twitter bullssshhhh
 
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By Dr. Osman faruk Logoglu, Former Turkish Foreign Ministry Undersecretary and Member of the Grand National Assembly

www.tabnak.ir

Iran doesn’t lose, Israel doesn’t win

TABNAK, Aug. 04 - Israel’s unprovoked, but long-time intended and planned attack on Iran that started on June 13 and lasted nearly two weeks produced no clear victories for either side.
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it was a defeat because of information security collapse, given IR wants to fight attrition wars!
And that is the reason why, IR wanted ceasefire.
lets not delude ourselves!
 
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