Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[ShapurII]

Trump gave Iran 60 days to secure agreement but no deal was reached and on the 61st day Israel attacked Iran. Usa Israel must have degraded Iranian capabilities or else they would be making alot of noise right now.

The deadline had already been extended by the Americans.
Also, we already had reached a deal with them, then they came up with an offer that was 180 degrees different from what we had agreed on.
So, nope. Bullshit.

 

[ShapurII]

It's been an even split for a while....I wouldn't call it a blow out.
Don't tell me how you feel.....show me proof

This is from a Gallup poll.....a highly respected polling company here in the State.


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None of these "polling" companies are reputable. Polling is pseudoscience.
How have they sampled their data to begin with?
Have they asked 90 million Iranians?
I don't remember being asked about my opinion by them.

I don't need to prove it. I am an Iranian. Approval of the country's local and foreign policies is well below 20%. Any poll that shows otherwise is automatically wrong.
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Here's a different poll. See how it's all statistical nonsense?

An opinion survey involving 158,000 people in Iran showed that more than 80 percent of respondents reject the Islamic Republic and prefer a democratic government.

The Netherlands-based Gamaan institute conducted the survey from December 21-31, which also included a sample of 42,000 respondents in the diaspora, revealed very similar attitudes between those in the country and abroad.

“In response to the question “Islamic Republic: Yes or No?” 81% of respondents inside the country responded “No” to the Islamic Republic, 15% responded “Yes” and 4% were not sure. Of the Iranian respondents abroad, 99% responded “No,” opting against the Islamic Republic,” GAMAAN reported.

Opinion Survey Reveals Overwhelming Majority Rejecting Iran’s Regime

An opinion survey involving 158,000 people in Iran showed that more than 80 percent of respondents reject the Islamic Republic and prefer a democratic government.

www.iranintl.com

 

[muhammed45]

An example of kissing the arse of fake jews . Indians seem to be falling all over themselves .
Here is a retarded Indian

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It is interesting every deviant act or human misery is led by a certain group
Trans movement
Magnus Hirschfeld
Interesting, gender dysphoria is recognized in Iran as a mental disorder affecting roughly one and 100,000 people. In the US they pray on people with mental disorders each one is worth millions.
Karl Marx
Founder of Communist ideology.
Responsible for the murder of hundreds of millions people worldwide .

Feminism
In America and Western hemisphere was responsible for destroying the family unit. The catalyst for the movement were Betty Friedan, Gloria Steinem, and Shulamith Firestone.

Usary -
Judaism (Old Testament/Torah): Forbade charging interest (“usury”) to fellow Israelites, but permitted it with foreigners (Exodus 22:25, Deuteronomy 23:19–20).

India is a shithole. Don't take them seriously.

 

[ShapurII]

And what? Do you think Iran would sit back and let them hit us without hitting back? They're just as afraid of getting destroyed as we are.....they're tiny, and they have no oil, at least we can rebuild with the oil money, they need to go out an whore money from other countries to rebuild....by that time all of the important people and businesses would've left for safety.

Israel has only 2 or 3 refineries. 5 water desalination plants.
It is possible to turn Israel into an inhabitable place without nukes.

Just hit their 5 water desalination plants, their 3 refineries, their handful of power plants, their fuel depots, their pharmaceutical companies, and it's game over for them.

However, the IR would never go for that.

 

[Shafagh]

Israel has only 2 or 3 refineries. 5 water desalination plants.
It is possible to turn Israel into an inhabitable place without nukes.

Just hit their 5 water desalination plants, their 3 refineries, their handful of power plants, their fuel depots, their pharmaceutical companies, and it's game over for them.

However, the IR would never go for that.

As much as I wish Iran did that, it would rally the international community. All the news would be "Oh poor Israel, they are under massive attack" and aid would pour in. They would forget about their genocide in Gaza.

The world will help them rebuild.

Israel would retaliate on Iranian ports and economic hubs and nobody would help Iran. Perhaps some lip service at the U.N. from Russia, China, Pakistan, condemning the attacks. But the country would be left to fester.

The world has always been against Iran.

I hope I am wrong, but there was a time when China would have helped considerably. I think they feel somewhat betrayed since Rouhani tried to side with Europe.

 

[ShapurII]

As much as I wish Iran did that, it would rally the international community. All the news would be "Oh poor Israel, they are under massive attack" and aid would pour in. They would forget about their genocide in Gaza.

The world will help them rebuild.

Israel would retaliate on Iranian ports and economic hubs and nobody would help Iran. Perhaps some lip service at the U.N. from Russia, China, Pakistan, condemning the attacks. But the country would be left to fester.

The world has always been against Iran.

I hope I am wrong, but there was a time when China would have helped considerably. I think they feel somewhat betrayed since Rouhani tried to side with Europe.

Nobody would say "poor Israel".
European and American politicians, as always, will support Israel no matter what. But trust me, nearly everyone in Europe hates Israel these days, except for some people with strong anti-Islam sentiments. OK, hate is a strong word, but they do want Israel to get some disciplining. Billions of people will be happy if that happens.

The only reason that Iran doesn't do that is because Israel is a nuclear state and Iran is not. A non-nuclear state can never retaliate against a nuclear state proportionally.

 

[Shafagh]

Nobody would say "poor Israel".
European and American politicians, as always, will support Israel no matter what. But trust me, nearly everyone in Europe hates Israel these days, except for some people with strong anti-Islam sentiments. OK, hate is a strong word, but they do want Israel to get some disciplining. Billions of people will be happy if that happens.

The only reason that Iran doesn't do that is because Israel is a nuclear state and Iran is not. A non-nuclear state can never retaliate against a nuclear state proportionally.

Their government will say poor Israel, most of their media will also do it. I know Canada would. That is all that counts. Since when popular opinion on Israel is actually reflects on government policy?

 

[ShapurII]

Their government will say poor Israel, most of their media will also do it. I know Canada would. That is all that counts. Since when popular opinion on Israel is actually reflects on government policy?

Their government and their media already depicted Iran as the aggressor this time.
The UK, France, the Netherlands, Germany, Italy, all supported Israeli aggression on Iran, called it legitimate, said Israel had a right to defend itself, and asked Iran to show restraint.

So, explain to me. What difference does it make? If you want to use that logic, Iran shouldn't respond to Israeli aggression at all.

 

[Shafagh]

Their government and their media already depicted Iran as the aggressor this time.
The UK, France, the Netherlands, Germany, Italy, all supported Israeli aggression on Iran, called it legitimate, said Israel had a right to defend itself, and asked Iran to show restraint.

So, explain to me. What difference does it make? If you want to use that logic, Iran shouldn't respond to Israeli aggression at all.

Well exactly.

It still needs to be considered. How will Iran rebuild? There needs to be a plan for it.

 

[ShapurII]

Well exactly.

It still needs to be considered. How will Iran rebuild? There needs to be a plan for it.

We are at a stage that ideas like how we will rebuild no longer matter.
We're fighting for survival, in my opinion.

People here know me well. They know I have never had any love for the Ayatollah regime in Iran, but if the regime is toppled in a war, Iran will turn into Iraq 2.0 at best, if not Syria 2.0.

So, we should do everything in our power to survive first. If we start to think about such considerations, we should then surrender unconditionally but I think the time for unconditional surrender is over as well. They're coming for our destruction and if we have second thoughts, it will only make things worse and more painful for us.

We need nuclear deterrence. We need to hit Israel really badly to establish deterrence. Then we can talk about our next moves.

 

[KingQamaR]

Israel announced they will carry out 14 days operation and finished it on the 12st day. They will come for some more. Hopefully Iran is prepared.

Israel shouldn’t have started an operation with a timeline they couldn’t finish alone Banking on just dragging Nato and US in the end to safe them in a war they were going to lose in attrition war.

 

[KingQamaR]

It's not that cut and dry. I think they were running out of interceptors and needed a pause to resupply.

Israel is playing the long game here. As another user, I think Immortal or ShapurII has stated; they want a country they can bomb over and over with impunity.

With a country as large as Iran, with so many missiles, they need to take their time to wear them down. Remember, Israel has all of the west re-arming them, and zero economic sanctions.

Iran's economy is essentially under embargo, and the noose is going to tighten even more in the coming month or so as JCPOA snap-back provisions re-instate U.N. sanctions.

It does not have the infrastructure to rebuild its air defence network that quickly. Heck, there is no air force! They didn't even go up against Israeli jets.

Guys, I really hope I am wrong here. But for Iran to prevail would require major industrial output, and the political will to escalate with larger attacks, large enough to do considerable damage to Israel's military infrastructure so that they cannot retaliate.

You forgot the most important thing happening in Israel. The population revolt there because of the strikes, and many wanting to leave. Irans strikes had Tel Aviv looking like Gaza. And huge economic damage Iran did to Israel people completely don’t mention it . The War was not one sided.

 

[ShapurII]

MAGA mentality at its finest, for those who doubted it

در صورت مرگ ترامپ؛ جانشین ترامپ با ایران چه خواهد کرد؟

در دوران ونس احتمالا عملیات پنهان علیه ایران در حوزه هسته ای و سایبری تشدید خواهد شد و آمریکا با فشار به اروپا خواهان تحریم های سخت تر خواهد شد، تنها تفاوت این است که ونس ممکن است از اقدام نظامی مستقیم و گسترده علیه ایران اجتناب کند.

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[Persian Gulf]

MAGA mentality at its finest, for those who doubted it

در صورت مرگ ترامپ؛ جانشین ترامپ با ایران چه خواهد کرد؟

در دوران ونس احتمالا عملیات پنهان علیه ایران در حوزه هسته ای و سایبری تشدید خواهد شد و آمریکا با فشار به اروپا خواهان تحریم های سخت تر خواهد شد، تنها تفاوت این است که ونس ممکن است از اقدام نظامی مستقیم و گسترده علیه ایران اجتناب کند.

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he saw that every time the US hit Iran hard it was successful and had virtually no consequences for the US as IRI was terrified of war and only sought symbolic responses. so he changed his position and gradually supports such moves even more. what a disaster.