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[PakAl]

They do not on paper but they do react to western pressure in other ways. The whole Project Silk Road II debacle happened because Chinese CAC engineers left the program in the middle and HESA had to build a plane by itself which it could not mass produce.

Its not only Usa pressure but Israel, EU and GCC. It's alot of trade involved. Plus these nations used Iranian aggressive speeches against Iran whilst themselves sweet talk in front of the media and behind the scenes are snakes. Also Iran is Russian ally not Chinese.

Iran must buy either Su30s, Su35s or J10CEs and in another 10 years go for 5th generation if available. Israel currently has latest 5th generation planes and in a decade will be going for 6th generation.

 

[PakAl]

while i have no problem with Iran getting jf17 , but that is just not happening . Pakistan is very venerable to western pressure . and ALOT of other reasons

Iran can buy directly from China. Its a joint fighter. Pakistan can just build it for Chinese customer.

 

[BigMela2onin]

The Su-35 is closer to 5th and possible 6th gen , it can be useful even in next 20 years

Come on man, Su-35 is more or less already outdated with F-35 in mass production and planes like KF-21 coming soon.

 

[PakAl]

....it's all about air superiority with them. So, I hope they have a grand plan how to integrate these system into one battlefield info system.

Strong airforce is a must but muslim nations cannot produce anything themselves except for Turkey. Planes bought 15 years ago are not good enough now, their radars, jamming, missiles, avionics etc fall behind. Whilst the enemies upgrade their airforce and take the edge.

 

[PakAl]

Come on man, Su-35 is more or less already outdated with F-35 in mass production and planes like KF-21 coming soon.

Military experts on PDF can explain better but these days its all about intergation of weaponary, Israel has Usa backing, they will provide them all info on where Iranian jets are, Israel will also use Awaacs of 600km to identify targets. Modern airforce use Awaacs, 5th generation planes, advance missiles, jamming etc to win wars.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Iran has no interest to buy China's low-end jet fighter like J-10C, although it had a fantastic performance against the Indian air force.

If China wants to match the competitiveness in Iran's eyes, it needs to offer the 6th gen fighter to match the Su-35.

Just like some people still trust those german/japanese legacy auto over the Chinese EV, although the former ones are dinosaur technology compared to China's EV.

In this case, Iran will still stick with the Russian fighter jets, but the delivery date will depend on Russia's productivity capability.

Just move on, no needs to bring China's fighter jet every post in Iran's air force defence section.

 

[hasssanali8998]

Iran can buy directly from China. Its a joint fighter. Pakistan can just build it for Chinese customer.

no they cant because China doesn't have dedicated lines for it , and it would be ridiculously expensive to start those lines which iran would have to pay

 

[MMCM]

Iran has no interest to buy China's low-end jet fighter like J-10C, although it had a fantastic performance against the Indian air force.

If China wants to match the competitiveness in Iran's eyes, it needs to offer the 6th gen fighter to match the Su-35.

Just like some people still trust those german/japanese legacy auto over the Chinese EV, although the former ones are dinosaur technology compared to China's EV.

In this case, Iran will still stick with the Russian fighter jets, but the delivery date will depend on Russia's productivity capability.

Just move on, no needs to bring China's fighter jet every post in Iran's air force defence section.

Ho hum, the Iranians should put the Yanks between a rock and a hard place, put out a tender for 150+ fighter aircraft to Washington, a mix of F-16 & F-15 , 60 : 40 ratio, obviously the white house would publicly dismiss this as nonsense, but in private the defence lobby would see this as a golden opportunity to capture the Iranian defence market, and put intense pressure on the white house and congress, afterall it's all about $$$$, and there's no hiding that Iran whether it's ruled by the religious authorities, the monarchy , Gen z or whoever, they all love American made hardware, so the govt in Tehran should piss off the Israel and the Zionist fukers and give the yanks a dilemma to contend with

 

[jr_pdf]

Come on man, Su-35 is more or less already outdated with F-35 in mass production and planes like KF-21 coming soon.

Ye, it’s a terrible waste of resources. The Su-35 cannot guarantee airspace security; at best, it’s a good border patrol aircraft. What Iran needs most right now are AWACS (Airborne Warning and Control System) and the Su-57. Algeria is already receiving the Su-57—why can’t Iran?

 

[mdmm55]

Agree,
Alongwith, Su-35.
Iran must order either SU-57 or J-35 jet fighters.
Also consider to buy
KJ-500 Airborne Early Warning & Control (AWACS) aircraft and HQ-19 Ballistic Missile Defense (BMD) systems from China.Iran is already selling oil and getting paid to buy arms.
what is your opinion.

 

[BigMela2onin]

Ye, it’s a terrible waste of resources. The Su-35 cannot guarantee airspace security; at best, it’s a good border patrol aircraft. What Iran needs most right now are AWACS (Airborne Warning and Control System) and the Su-57. Algeria is already receiving the Su-57—why can’t Iran?

A strong Iran is not in Russia's interest.

Military experts on PDF can explain better but these days its all about intergation of weaponary, Israel has Usa backing, they will provide them all info on where Iranian jets are, Israel will also use Awaacs of 600km to identify targets. Modern airforce use Awaacs, 5th generation planes, advance missiles, jamming etc to win wars.

The task now is essentially building a functional air force from scratch. The IRIAF in its current form is almost useless. They even recognized that and sent many planes to Pakistan like Saddam did in the 90s.

 

[ToddE]

The Su-35 is closer to 5th and possible 6th gen , it can be useful even in next 20 years and if we want to buy Su-PAKFA then its logical choice to be acquired at this point ...

and don't forget the psychological effect of acquiring even 24 su-35 compare to Mig-29 ... the Su-35 can restore the confident in Air force and force our hostile neighbors to think twice before starting any adventure but Mig-29 lake this psychological effect ... ( most of warfare is psychological )


Anyway there were rumors for replacing F-5 , Larijani ( current head of Iran National Security Council ) wants to buy JF-17 while the Airforce prefer J10CE ( Larijani is political person , he probably thought about more aspect than sole military reason )....

If we want go for Su-57 and can buy some JF-17 ( 72 air frame ) and get TOT of another 72 in Iran , then I would prefer JF-17 ( create a common ground with PAF and strengthen relation with Pakistan ) ...

if we want to go for J35E or possible 6th gen Chinese fighters then J10CE would be more logical ...

side note : Look like Chinese systems are too much integrated , but Russian systems can work more independently , IRI doesn't want to be bound by China rule ...

برای بازسازی نیروی هوایی باید به جنبه های سیاسی ، اقتصادی و دیپلماسی و تبلیغاتی قضیه فکر کرد. خرید میگ 29 شاید سریعتر باشه ولی آیا خبر خرید میگ 29 می تونه جلوی آمریکا و اسرائیل رو بگیره یا تاثیر خبر خرید سوخو 35 برای امنیت ما بیشتر هست !؟

SU-35S is claimed by Russians to be 4.5 Gen but nobody with slight understanding of aviation will buy that easily. I don't. It has a PESA radar which will be jammed from distance, only counter measure against that will be Khibiny pods + internal ECM which IRIAF is getting in less numbers. Some may argue the IRBIS E radar has very high peak power so jamming it may be difficult but we are living in age of modern AESA antennas. The air-frame itself is of SU-27K designed in 1970s with RCS of ~10 m^2. Russians claim the RCS suddenly magically dropped to 1-2m^2 with no difference in aerodynamics from a basic SU-27. RAM coats do not cause that much drastic difference so how did they reduce the RCS is a mystery. Its LR BVR is AIM-54 like heavy R-37 based on decades old R-33 of MIG-31BM. I am not bringing the plane down, IRIAF needs it badly to challenge IAF over Iraqi airspace but calling it some marvel of aviation tech will be massive exaggeration. Its basically a Russian F-15E/EX equivalent. If we get 60 airframes (BT claim, 48+12) that will be perfect replacement for F-14A fleet or F-14AM program.

FC-1/JF-17 is 100% Chinese at component level (not discussing paperwork), Pakistanis assemble the aircraft. If IRIAF orders it, the critical components at base core most level of Radars, Armaments, Avionics etc all will come from CAC/CATIC China so you know whose approval you need to purchase it from assembly lines in Pakistan. Also most importantly, the Block 3 I guess is still flying on RD-93MA (what happened to WS-13 plan?) so Russians get involved for the most critical component of a figher jet. You know Russian history with IRI in supplying weapons. My opposition to it is based on the fact that MIG-29M/M2/SMT can fill the light fighter role perfectly and we dont need infrastructure+training+adaptation for it. So unless Russians flatly deny us more airframes we should chase as many Fulcurums as possible. Replace the entire current fleet with it, basically an IRIAF based on SU-35S (60) + MIG-29M/M2 (120) and YAK-130 (36) as ATs. If Russians deny MIG deliveries or delay them then yes Iran should ask Chinese for atleast CKD kit TOT of a customized FC-1 "IR" inside Iran. Still I will say planners should chase MIGs just because of decades old experience on it. Our need is immediate, we already lost lives due to SU-35S delivery delay. If we chase a new platform, it will take years before we can deploy them in battlefield.

 

[ToddE]

The problem It is lack of IRIAF in modern russian aviónica, weaponry and tactics. IRIAF even doesn't operate R77, so the jump to Su57 It is not logical and would be harder and counterproductive. That is the reason why IRIAF needs Yak130 before jump Su35. IRIAF needs modern russian digital aviónica and weaponry before operating Su35. But Algeria have been operating Su30 for more than 10 years.

YAK-130 are already inside Iran for quite some time now and are training pilots.

I am not saying Iran needs SU-57 tomorrow, but like I said IRGCASF jumped for Liquid fueled monostaged Shahabs to Hypersonic MaRVs and IRBM-PBVs within 12 years because planners could see the changing battlefield and we saw their success in war. IRIAF needs to do same with 35-40 Billion USD defence budget in hand now. Sanctions BS aside, we can churn out cash like Penninsular Arabs too and Ayatollahs know how.

 

[ToddE]

Iran must buy either Su30s, Su35s or J10CEs and in another 10 years go for 5th generation if available. Israel currently has latest 5th generation planes and in a decade will be going for 6th generation.

Our problem is ALBM/ALCM/SOW launches, far away from Iranian airspace. F-35 does it or 50 years old F-16i does, doe not matter here. We need planes that can dash out of Iranian border and bolt towards these launch zones, target attacking aircrafts from long BVR ranges or attack their refuelers.

 

[ToddE]

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SU-35S bunkers being built in Hamedan, surprisingly not hardened wtf is wrong with these people.