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[ToddE]

I agree with your SU-35 point. I think best bet for is to go for SU-75 local assembly line with joint assistance. Russia is already courting India to join the project. Spend the next 3-5 years building the infrastructure to be able to assemble the SU-75 locally. Keep the order for 24 Egyptian SU-35’s

Have Russia supply 48 SU-57s and mothball the F-14s for a rainy day. While no country has gotten SU-57 from Russia, Putin has offered it to Turkey in its way to pull Turkey from NATO orbit. Then when Turkey went TFX project route it offered strategic technical assistance.

Thus you will have:
24 SU-35’s
12 Yak-130
75-100 SU-75 (assembly to start by 2030)
48 SU-75
?? Future Iranian fighter jet
?? Kowsar next gen

I know it’s a long long shot.

The problem I am seeing with just throwing major weight into the SU-75 program is that the plane is yet to even fly and we do not know what it will become considering its radically different from the conventional flanker design. Even SU-57 is just a low RCS flanker airframe, it's flying, inducted, and already has combat operational experience.

Leadership is stupid otherwise instead of playing delayed gambles on these 4+ generation fighters from Russia and China, they should just get a few to buy time as a stop-gap and focus on domestic assembled 5th generation now (be it FC-31, SU-57/75) because in few years we will be surrounded by enemies flying F-35, Tempests, stealth wingmen and what not. Iranian missile forces being proven as a strong deterrent have bought Iran some time but for how long? Iran needs to enter the 5th Gen and Loyal Wingmen program. The budget of ~35 Billion USD is more than enough for this considering we dont import any defense product.

Agreed on F-14A conversion to fully armed F-14AM standards (with ALBM capability) and storing some for whenever they are needed to play the role of MIG-31BM. If the Ukraine conflict has taught us anything, its that in the end every airframe counts and you dont throw airframe than can fly to 3500 KM with 6 x LR-BVR missiles. Kowsar in its current form or its future generation, being a light fighter, has no utility in how the Iranian conflict is shaping up other than that the fighter is given to IADS to datalink with Karrars/SAMs and create an inner layer of defense against intrusions by drones, CM etc. Even if it gets AESA+PL15, it has limited utility which is why they should have been done with the program by now, build/rebuild some 70-80 airframes and place them along IADS coverage points. Another crazy idea will be to focus on creating a loyal Wingmen out of Kowsar considering the plane is 100% locally built so can be the guinea pig for this science project.

 

[jauk]

1, Do you believe that China had hacking technology in 2009?

2, What is the concrete evidence of China's invasion of the JSF program?

3, Which country has the best hacking technology in the world？

4, Based on your logic, what is the technical source of Q-313?

5, What is the specific evidence of China's military tech espionage efforts？

6, Are you sure you know what technology is?

7, Some backward agricultural countries are recognized as military spy centers. But we cannot see any military progress in these backward agricultural countries. Why?

sorry. I don't know what agricultural products the backward agricultural countries can export, but I do know what industrial products the backward agricultural countries cannot make.

China’s proven tech is vast.

Miltech is not one of them.

China can learn quite a bit from Iran in combat proven systems.

 

[zhanlong]

China’s proven tech is vast.

Miltech is not one of them.

yes. Let's give an example. Beidou Navigation. The Iranian military loves it the most.

 

[jauk]

yes. Let's give an example. Beidou Navigation. The Iranian military loves it the most.

Yes. Only one of many. No innovation. Just a copy of GPS.not a great example. But, Iran can show China how to use it in combat.

Don’t forget China is still in innovation shock. Just a few decades ago China was a backward agricultural country.

 

[zhanlong]

Yes. Only one of many. No innovation. Just a copy of GPS.not a great example. But, Iran can show China how to use it in combat.

Don’t forget China is still in innovation shock. Just a few decades ago China was a backward agricultural country.

Why doesn't Iran use GPS? Is it because Iranians don't like GPS？ but Iranians prefer copy of GPS？

BTW. What is Iran's ranking in the Global Innovation Index? How many patented technologies does Iran have?

 

[FHN]

Yes. Only one of many. No innovation. Just a copy of GPS.not a great example. But, Iran can show China how to use it in combat.

Don’t forget China is still in innovation shock. Just a few decades ago China was a backward agricultural country.

If beidou is a copy of gps then Iranian missiles are just copy of Russian and Chinese ones lol

Iran & China: Military Ties

Since its 1979 revolution, Iran’s military ties with China have evolved through four phases. Tehran was dependent on Beijing as its primary source of weaponry during the eight-year war with Iraq in the 1980s. It bought warplanes, tanks, and missiles.

iranprimer.usip.org

 

[FHN]

China's BeiDou is more advanced than the U.S. Global Positioning System (GPS) in several ways, including:
Size: BeiDou has 56 satellites in orbit, which is almost double the number of satellites in GPS.

Monitoring stations: BeiDou has more than ten times as many monitoring stations as GPS.

Accuracy: BeiDou's positioning precision is 4.4 meters or better for any location on the planet.

Features: BeiDou has two-way messaging, which GPS does not. This feature can be used for critical communications in remote areas and for surveillance.

Stop talking about things u know nothing about. If copy is that easy let's see Iranian 5th generation fighter.qaher-313 is nothing more than just a gimmick. Even Chinese trainer jl-10 is much better. The only difference between the two is the Iranian one is only for show nothing else. It's so stealthy that u never seen it in the sky.

 

[zhanlong]

I don't know how to use Beidou navigation in war. After all, at present. No one in the Western Pacific has the courage to bomb China.

 

[FHN]

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Everything is a copy of something if u want to go that route lol

 

[rumoured maniac]

I ignore everything written by Babak. He’s just Zionist shill

Amount of hatred he has for muslims is astonishing

 

[jauk]

If beidou is a copy of gps then Iranian missiles are just copy of Russian and Chinese ones lol

Iran & China: Military Ties

Since its 1979 revolution, Iran’s military ties with China have evolved through four phases. Tehran was dependent on Beijing as its primary source of weaponry during the eight-year war with Iraq in the 1980s. It bought warplanes, tanks, and missiles.

iranprimer.usip.org

Uh-huh

 

[jauk]

Why doesn't Iran use GPS? Is it because Iranians don't like GPS？ but Iranians prefer copy of GPS？

BTW. What is Iran's ranking in the Global Innovation Index? How many patented technologies does Iran have?

Irrelevant to your original post. Keep it on track.

 

[jauk]

China's BeiDou is more advanced than the U.S. Global Positioning System (GPS) in several ways, including:
Size: BeiDou has 56 satellites in orbit, which is almost double the number of satellites in GPS.

Monitoring stations: BeiDou has more than ten times as many monitoring stations as GPS.

Accuracy: BeiDou's positioning precision is 4.4 meters or better for any location on the planet.

Features: BeiDou has two-way messaging, which GPS does not. This feature can be used for critical communications in remote areas and for surveillance.

Stop talking about things u know nothing about. If copy is that easy let's see Iranian 5th generation fighter.qaher-131 is nothing more than just a gimmick. Even Chinese trainer jl-10 is much better. The only difference between the two is the Iranian one is only for show nothing else. It's so stealthy that u never seen it in the sky.

Simple climbing up the tech ladder. The innovation was the US . Simply improving on an original concept is just that. Improving on an original concept. It’s like saying Japan invented cars which isn’t true. But they do make the best cars on the planet. China is potentially making the best EVs nowadays although I’ll wait to see maintenance and longevity. But no. No innovation. BTW, China MIGHT have battery innovation but I’m not sure.

China has other areas of innovation. But it’s more fun to let you figure it out.

And, yes, Iran is a clear missile and drone innovator.

 

[FHN]

Simple climbing of tech ladder. The innovation was the US . Simply improving on an original concept is just that. Improving on an original concept. It’s like saying Japan invented cars which isn’t true. But they do make the best cars on the planet. China is potentially making the best EVs nowadays although I’ll wait to see maintenance and longevity. But no. No innovation. BTW, China MIGHT have battery innovation but I’m not sure.

China has other areas of innovation. But it’s more fun to let you figure it out.

Nobody does it better than Iran when it comes to reverse engineering.maybe u need a little bit of history lesson before talking how advanced Iran is. Go to politics section and read military cooperation. Your welcome. You should thank china for helping you with so much stuff even help your country avoid complete collapse from western sanctions.A big thank you will do.

China–Iran relations - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

 

[jauk]

Nobody does or better than Iran when it comes to reverse engineering.maybe u need a little bit of history lesson before talking how advanced Iran is. Go to politics section and read military cooperation. Your welcome

China–Iran relations - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Uh huh. If that’s your source you’re going to be bounced around like a balloon here.