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[Mr Iran Eye]

No since Bulragrian-BS.com is one of the least credible sites around!

The article is very good, your opinion is no more valuable, sorry.

 

[Immortals]

China will gladly assist Iran if Trump decides to pick up a fight with you.

If not, we better off to maintain a distance.

Trump's biggest dream is to take down China, but even he does realize this is stretching way beyond his capability.

When his approval rating is plunging in new low with very bad economy, he will very likely pick on an easy target like Iran to stay in power for a third term or beyond.

For Iran, it is better for the democrats to come back on power and try to cozy up with you again.

For China, if Trump attacks you again would be a good opportunity to make you dependent on us just like Russia from 2022-2024.

Now Russia got the relief, and they are trying to move away from us by becoming less dependant. The US under Trump won't try to sanction them into the stone age like the democrats were trying to do.

You can label China as an impeccable opportunist, but that's how the real world geopolitics are functioning.

China barely supported Russia (a much more strategic friend and ally) in its war against NATO. No major military arms were transferred from China to Russia, the support was mostly political and economic (buying Russian oil and natural gas).

Russia had to turn to Iran and even North Korea for arms that the Chinese had in much greater quality and #’s.

So I don’t by that China would “support Iran” if it got picked by US. Other than buying Iranian oil (for Chinese energy security), China would lift a finger to military support Iran.

And if Iran falls and Russia falls (either external conflict or internal color revolution) then it will be China against the entire West. I don’t care how big China’s military is getting, it cannot fight off the entire West (NATO, Australia, Japan, Korea, India, US).

History has shown previous examples of failure when the “lone wolf” mentality is adopted: Nazi Germany and Cold War Soviet Union. Both failed due to having no major coalition.

 

[ToddE]

Well , Iranian S300 were completely useless against Israel , ans Iranian system hold the lines , so I doubt Su35 even detect Israel f16i ....

We can not rely on Russian system against Israel .

Lofted ALBMs with separating MaRVs cant be stopped by S-300PMU2 or Bavar-373. Maybe upgradations of Bavar-373 might have chance. Israeli Airdefence itself had no answer to Kheybarshikan and Fattah Hypersonic missile. Entire Israeli ABM fell flat against them. Mind you these weapons were fired from ground so boost phase, mid course were tracked easily by Search radars and yet Israeli AD could not intercept them in TP2. Point is, right now there is no ABM or HIMAD/LOMAD/SHORAD on earth that can guarantee you full interception rate against ALBMs, Hypersonics, separating MaRVs etc.

Regarding SU-35S detecting an Israeli fighter, N035 IRBIS-E of conventional SU-35S can easily track 5 m^2 RCS fighter like an F-16 at ~150-170 KM, F-15 probably at 200+ KM. Considering it will be Iraqi airspace so Israeli plane will have to wear external tanks or SOWs the RCS will be even larger so searching and tracking it and launching R-37 will be no problem. An F-14AM with Fakour-90 can do the same at the same distance. The problem is that N035 /IRBIS-E of SU-35S is a PESA radar from 90s so it will be jammed by much superior IAF jamming assets. The same goes for AWG-9, even the digitalized one of F-14AM. Equation changes suddenly if the radar is N036 Beylka of SU-57 which has an AESA antenna with internal ECCM control.

Iran made a terrible mistake by not pressuring Russia into providing SU-57 when Iran had the upper hand in the relationship. I do have some mild level of hope that the Iranian SU-35 will be much more upgraded than the SU-35SE. If they are conventional ones than SAIRAN has to develop the local AESA airborne radar at all costs! it's not difficult, Iran makes ground-based and naval GaN-based giant AESA radars in bulk. They are highly modern, it won't be difficult to convert AWG-9 into AESA radar with same Search-Track range but immunity towards jamming.

 

[Luciferdd]

IMO,Su-35 is not bad for IAF.But it also means Iranians have to find their own ways to develop their own AWACS,they should start the work as soon as possible.

 

[Flotilla]

Maybe iran will fall, iran is most easy target for USA

But russia not, China not, because they are too powerful, Usa start to back down from russia.
Chinese policy never rely on the others

Yeah, as yemenis fell before... and before them afghanis... I think Donald Trump wants to ride the lightning.

 

[ToddE]

IMO,Su-35 is not bad for IAF.But it also means Iranians have to find their own ways to develop their own AWACS,they should start the work as soon as possible.

Good post, considering how giant is Iranian airspace IRIAF should consider creating its own AWACS units. Iran has every mean to develop them at home but IRIAF leadership is dumb as F.

 

[Ali_Baba]

Good post, considering how giant is Iranian airspace IRIAF should consider creating its own AWACS units. Iran has every mean to develop them at home but IRIAF leadership is dumb as F.

The AWAC part will be easy for Iran for sure, but does it have acess to platform it can host the equipment on and certify the flight model with those changes? That may be the barrier ?

 

[Luciferdd]

The AWAC part will be easy for Iran for sure, but does it have acess to platform it can host the equipment on and certify the flight model with those changes? That may be the barrier ?

Maybe an AESE Arched radar array on a large UAV is a possible option,i mean something like the WZ-9 while IAF has rich experience in UAV research and development.

 

[Tijani]

Good post, considering how giant is Iranian airspace IRIAF should consider creating its own AWACS units. Iran has every mean to develop them at home but IRIAF leadership is dumb as F.

Come on man. You're way too technically proficient to keep calling others dumb, stupid and the like. Sentiments aside, it's unbecoming for a person such as yourself. Just a respectful and friendly suggestion.
There's no doubt that you're educated but you still keep on insisting that others, who likewise are educated, know little to nothing. We might disagree with the choices made by the IRIAF leadership but calling dumb as eff is neither true, constructive nor respectful to Iran.

 

[Piet]

Greetings and thank you for the kind words

Fascinating. Good work. So there are 3 different Search-Track Double Duplex datalinking systems operating in Iranian military right now:

- The IRIAF MUM-T (Kowsar-UCAVS, they recently showed Kaman-12 operating with Dowran upgraded F-4E/D in a MUMT like role). Mind you, Iranian UCAV fleet is large but IRIAF only uses handful of designs such as Kaman-12/22, Mohajer-6 and Karrar in A2A role.

- IRGCAF (SU-22M3/M4 with IRGC UCAVs).

Well one can only hope that the powers that be gets the message from 'across the pond'.

I for now, do not believe JAS-313 is anything but a cover-up attempt by IRGC to fix the mistake by Ahmadinejad era IAIO corrupt idiots. Iranian military industrial complex has come a long way in past 10-15 years in terms of tech and expansion, they became international exporters etc. They probably do not want this black spot from past few rotten individuals, to sustain for too long.

Just so. And I do think that medicine pertaining to the black spot gets served up cold, and at the most inopportune times.

Hypothetically if it flies, the weapon bays are too small to carry Azarakhsh and if it carries them outside then it will be seen by enemy fighters from 100+ KM away due to RCS. Just to use the HOBS sidewinder at max range it will need radar or IRST.

What I had in mind here was a swarm of 60% JAS-313 'Wasps', each with a folded wing light-weight AIM-7/Arash, centerline, and one Azarakhsh HOBS under each wing. Flying under CEC control with AI to come at some point in time. Maybe carrying ordinance semi-sunken in place of a weapons bay.

I make the assumption that JAS-313 will be able to leverage all of Iran's extensive IADS'. So it can cruise without radiating any active sensors in A-A role.

When it comes to ground and surface targets, JAS-313 will have to look out for anything that glows & which might make its presence known to its intended prey.

My post on subject from other thread:

IR seeking missile ranges are reduced if not cued by onboard tracking system like a passive IRST or active radar for example. A R-73 fired from MIG-29 has a range of 35 KM but with F-14 which lacks IRST and its radar cant transfer track info to missile, the same R-73 will barely cross 15 KM because the missile has to search and track the target using its own small seeker. This is the same reason that Karrar fired Sidewinder ranges 10-12 KM at max but with onboard tracking sensor the missile can take target cue and be on its way much earlier, thus enhancing the range to ~35 km. Another equally possible way is to provide datalink to the drone, that way it does not have to create its own target tracking information package but can borrow it from IADS and nearby fighters and transfer it to missile. This is one of the reasons they tested EO seeker and Datalink antennas on Karrar. Suddenly you have an interceptor running at 0.9 Mach, pulling 15 G's, releasing Sidewinder at max ranges.

Cool.

Thus for JAS-313, the drone has to either have a radar, IRST/EO or it must have a two-way datalink for Azarakhsh HOBS to be effective at full range of missile otherwise range will be less than half. The drone will then have to get close to enemy fighter who will make of a mess of it.

See my above also.

Ironically Iran has every right tool at home for this. They have IRST with tracking range matching that of SU-35's IRST. They have airborne PESA radar that can track an enemy fighter at 94 KM. They also have a Allaspect HOBS sidewinder which ranges upto 40 KM. Encrypted datalinking is already being used so technically they can convert this JAS-313 into a capable naval interceptor which if nothing can pose some level threat to enemy naval fighters.

Agreed.

 

[Fatman17]

 

[ToddE]

^ Sounds like IRIAF has learnt a lesson from the Ukraine-Russian theatre and is refusing to let go of the F-4E/D fleet.

For those who do not know, currently Hamedan TFB is home to F-14 and F-4E/D/R. The article is saying that a full squadron of SU-35S will replace F-4E/D at Hamedan but instead of retiring, these aircraft will come to coastline attack bases at Bushehr and Bandar Abbas. Hopefully, these airframes will undergo full "Dowran" upgrade. A fleet of 64 heavy maritime strikes capable F-4E/D "Dowran" means enemy ships are under threat to be punctured and sunk from Iranian land, sea, sub-surface and air. A Combination of Land/Air/Sea launched AShBM, AShCM, Supercavitation Torpedoes, AI-mines, SL-AShCM.

What I suspect is that Iran is also reading the Russian-Trump moves and is understanding that SU-35S orders might fall in the middle so they are not letting go of the F-4E/D for heavy strike role.

 

[ToddE]

Maybe an AESE Arched radar array on a large UAV is a possible option,i mean something like the WZ-9 while IAF has rich experience in UAV research and development.
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My post from past in same thread:

"F-14A's AWG-9 has been completely upgraded as AWG-9+ in F-14AM upgradation with full digitalization and parts replacement to APG-71 standard (300 KM Search range). Hypothetically, its longer-ranged AESA antenna variant (~600 KM Search range) can be integrated on Sahed-149 Gaza HALE as radome or in the belly. Its a HUGE UCAV. Such an unmanned AWACS at 50K feet minimizes radar horizion problems and will provide 24/7 persistent wide area surveillance in the form of datalinks to IADS and IRIAF. 15-20 x such systems can even form distributed AWACS Sensory network (DASN) operating inside and around Iranian airspace that is guarded by IADS and IRIAF. MALE/HALE UCAVs are becoming more and more vulnerable though with the advancement of SAMs but its cost will be like 1/100th of what a modern AWACS costs and there is no human life involved"

 

[BigMela2onin]

History has shown previous examples of failure when the “lone wolf” mentality is adopted: Nazi Germany and Cold War Soviet Union. Both failed due to having no major coalition.

Germany fought alongside Romania, Italy, Hungary, and many others joined SS auxiliary legions. The Soviet Union had the Warsaw Pact and China before the Sino-Soviet split. How were either of them "lone wolves?" But regardless of historical examples, we have to look no further than Iran itself to see failure of lone wolf mentality who maintains no state allies and does not even have complete control of the militias it arms.

Hypothetically, its longer-ranged AESA antenna variant (~600 KM Search range) can be integrated on Sahed-149 Gaza HALE as radome or in the belly. Its a HUGE UCAV. Such an unmanned AWACS at 50K feet minimizes radar horizion problems and will provide 24/7 persistent wide area surveillance in the form of datalinks to IADS and IRIAF

A good idea but will remain hypothetical unless an appropriate engine can be developed. The failure of domestic aircraft jet engines has practically halted both UAV and aircraft development in Iran.

 

[ToddE]

you believe this propeller plane can climb to 50k feet? and how it can carry a large radar?

You believe in common sense or is that hard for you? Shahed-149's payload capacity exceeds weight of digitalized AWG-9 that F-14AM carries. Close to 900 parts were taken out from the entire radar unit so the weights were reduced massively. With AESA antenna which is an easy task for SAIRAN, the weight can be reduced further along with increasing capability if the project is taken up by them.

Shahed-149 is large enough to carry this system without any problem. Only shortcoming it may face is the fact that its a FL-Radar so it wont be a 3D-AWAC hence the DASN.