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[OldTwilight]

There will never be an Iranian 4.5th gen fighter in the next 5 years.
We need to import jet fighters, even if it means to give short-term concessions to China.

I'd rather give Chabahar to China for 10 years than to see Iran balkanized, assuming they really want Chabahar though. Iran wanted the Chinese to invest in Chabahar in 2013 but they didn't because of US sanctions.

Just look at this:

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With stealth drones and standoff munitions (stealth and supersonic missiles) , having AWACS and central command is more important.

At this rate , buying 100 JF17 B3 with 5-10 AWACS which operate in east and central of Iran is more important to clear our skies ...

 

[ShapurII]

Just look at this:

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With stealth drones and standoff munitions (stealth and supersonic missiles) , having AWACS and central command is more important.

At this rate , buying 100 JF17 B3 with 5-10 AWACS which operate in east and central of Iran is more important to clear our skies ...

I did. Actually, I just finished watching it for the 2nd time.

How do you want to defend your AEW&C without an air force?
And why do you want to buy 100 JF-17? Who wants to sell you this platform to begin with? It's still a Chinese platform after all. And J-10C is superior to JF-17 for our purposes.

Rumors say we will receive 85 J-10C fighters eventually. Not bad at all. The only question is when it will be delivered and how much training of our pilots will take.

We have a clear problem over north-western Iran. We need to secure the sky of that area first.

 

[vmro]

I did. Actually, I just finished watching it for the 2nd time.

How do you want to defend your AEW&C without an air force?
And why do you want to buy 100 JF-17? Who wants to sell you this platform to begin with? It's still a Chinese platform after all. And J-10C is superior to JF-17 for our purposes.

Rumors say we will receive 85 J-10C fighters eventually. Not bad at all. The only question is when it will be delivered and how much training of our pilots will take.

We have a clear problem over north-western Iran. We need to secure the sky of that area first.

Turkish 5 generation jets???
Seriously asking, seems like no one even considered that option, maybe neighborly love could outmatch nato loyalty...internal pressure on Israelis resistance... and what jets they actually have produced...

 

[ShapurII]

Turkish 5 generation jets???
Seriously asking, seems like no one even considered that option, maybe neighborly love could outmatch nato loyalty...internal pressure on Israelis resistance... and what jets they actually have produced...

Is this satire?

 

[vmro]

Is this satire?

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[ShapurII]

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OK. It was satire then.

 

[Fatman17]

I did. Actually, I just finished watching it for the 2nd time.

How do you want to defend your AEW&C without an air force?
And why do you want to buy 100 JF-17? Who wants to sell you this platform to begin with? It's still a Chinese platform after all. And J-10C is superior to JF-17 for our purposes.

Rumors say we will receive 85 J-10C fighters eventually. Not bad at all. The only question is when it will be delivered and how much training of our pilots will take.

We have a clear problem over north-western Iran. We need to secure the sky of that area first.

You need to secure 100% of Iranian airspace especially over your key cities and defence installations.
Huge task for your defence planners

 

[Fatman17]

any confirmation?

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Fake news

 

[ShapurII]

You need to secure 100% of Iranian airspace especially over your key cities and defence installations.
Huge task for your defence planners

The consensus of Iranian experts on Twitter seems to be that Israel has only two main air corridors. The main one which threatens Tehran runs through Tabriz to Republic of Azerbaijan, and then the Caspian Sea. The other one runs through Kermanshah to the proximity of Isfahan. If we can cut off even their main corridor only, things will start to look a lot better for us.

 

[Fatman17]

The consensus of Iranian experts on Twitter seems to be that Israel has only two main air corridors. The main one which threatens Tehran runs through Tabriz to Republic of Azerbaijan, and then the Caspian Sea. The other one runs through Kermanshah to the proximity of Isfahan. If we can cut off even their main corridor only, things will start to look a lot better for us.

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How is the question Sir

 

[ShapurII]

How is the question Sir

I don't know, to be honest. I'm not even sure if the Chinese are willing to sell us 85 J-10C. In fact, I think the chance of China refusing to sell Iranian J-10C is quite high.

But if we get a large number of J-10Cs, and we recover our bi-static and OTH radars in the northwest of Iran, we do a stand a chance. Ultimately, nothing will guarantee Iran's territorial integrity and deterrence other than nuclear weapons in my opinion.

 

[OldTwilight]

I did. Actually, I just finished watching it for the 2nd time.

How do you want to defend your AEW&C without an air force?
And why do you want to buy 100 JF-17? Who wants to sell you this platform to begin with? It's still a Chinese platform after all. And J-10C is superior to JF-17 for our purposes.

Rumors say we will receive 85 J-10C fighters eventually. Not bad at all. The only question is when it will be delivered and how much training of our pilots will take.

We have a clear problem over north-western Iran. We need to secure the sky of that area first.

There are various reason I ask for JF17 B3 over J10C ,

1- Price, we are short on money that why our government want to make deal with the west to ease sanction and get some money ... (JF17 B3 would be 40-45 million $ per full unit package, while J10c would be 70-80 million $ per unit, remember Im talking about full package), we need 4.5-5 billion $ to get 100 JF17 B3 and addition 1-2 billion $ to get 4-5 KJ500 AWACS and command controller platforms ...

2- Quantity and maintenance, we need at least 100-140 fighter jets with low maintenance and fly cost to cover our sky for 24/7 in span of 2-3 month, 40 J10C are not enough

3- political reason, selling J10C in meaningful number will change the balance of power in Iran favor in region and for sure, so many countries will oppose it and put pressure on China to not sell or just stall delivery which make acquiring J10c in short span of time ( less than 2 years ) very unlikely unless China is willing to take the pressure ...

4- Pilot training, from years ago, we are sending our pilots for some additional training to Pakistan, so if Pakistanis agree, we can use their existing training capabilities to train our pilots and shorten the time for integrating JF17 B3 to our AF ( we need train the ground crew as well )

5- We have active order for 40-60 Su35 , so buying another expensive 4.5th Gen fighter would put so much pressure on our AF which is always short on funds...

6- The era of 4.5th gen fighter would be over in next 5-10 years, so spending so much money on 4.5th gen fighters is insane!! We should go for J10AE , Su-57 or Su-75 if the producers are willing to sell 5th Gen fighter with acceptable condition to us.

Lets be honest , China is not willing to commit to any seriouse military deal with Iran till the JCPOA end and we don't have money for it ...

 

[ShapurII]

There are various reason I ask for JF17 B3 over J10C ,

1- Price, we are short on money that why our government want to make deal with the west to ease sanction and get some money ... (JF17 B3 would be 40-45 million $ per full unit package, while J10c would be 70-80 million $ per unit, remember Im talking about full package), we need 4.5-5 billion $ to get 100 JF17 B3 and addition 1-2 billion $ to get 4-5 KJ500 AWACS and command controller platforms ...

2- Quantity and maintenance, we need at least 100-140 fighter jets with low maintenance and fly cost to cover our sky for 24/7 in span of 2-3 month, 40 J10C are not enough

3- political reason, selling J10C in meaningful number will change the balance of power in Iran favor in region and for sure, so many countries will oppose it and put pressure on China to not sell or just stall delivery which make acquiring J10c in short span of time ( less than 2 years ) very unlikely unless China is willing to take the pressure ...

4- Pilot training, from years ago, we are sending our pilots for some additional training to Pakistan, so if Pakistanis agree, we can use their existing training capabilities to train our pilots and shorten the time of integrating JF17 B3 to our AF

5- We have active order for 40-60 Su35 , so buying another expensive 4.5th Gen fighter would put so much pressure on our AF which is always short on funds...

6- The era of 4.5th gen fighter is over in next 5-10 years, so spending so much money on 4.5th gen fighters is insane!! We should go for J10AE , Su-57 or Su-75 if the producers are willing to sell 5th Gen fighter with acceptable condition to us.

I understand, but money shouldn't be our main concern when we're facing an existential threat that openly talks about the balkanization of Iran and regime change.

We are a rich nation. This whole idea that fighter jets are expensive for us is some Basiji bullshit, to be honest with you. I believe the Islamic Regime has long ignored the importance of the Air Force because of its feud with the IRIAF after the Nozheh Coup. We spent 50 billion dollars in 15 years in the region to support useless resistance groups and a coward that ran away to Russia. Nothing we will do can be more expensive than that with almost no return.

I asked DeepSeek to compare the radar and air superiority capabilities of JF-10C and JF-17. This is what it said

1. Radar Systems​

Feature	J-10C	JF-17 Block III
Radar Type	AESA (Active Electronically Scanned Array)	KLJ-7A AESA (smaller than J-10C's)
Detection Range	~200–220 km (vs fighter-sized target)	~170 km (vs fighter-sized target)
Tracking Targets	~12–15 simultaneously	~10 simultaneously
Engagement Range	Longer-range PL-15 support	PL-15 support (but shorter radar range limits effectiveness)
EW/ECM Resistance	Superior (larger AESA, better processing)	Good, but smaller radar faces limitations
Advantage	Clear edge in detection, tracking, and BVR combat	Decent for its size but outclassed by J-10C

2. Air Superiority Capabilities​

Feature	J-10C	JF-17 Block III
Role	Air superiority + multirole (designed to counter 4.5-gen fighters)	Light multirole (emphasis on cost-effectiveness)
Maneuverability	Canard delta wing (excellent agility, high AoA)	Lacks thrust vectoring, weaker T/W ratio
Weapons Load	More hardpoints (11), heavier payload	Fewer hardpoints (7), lighter payload
BVR Missile	PL-15 (200+ km range)	PL-15 (but radar limits effective range)
WVR Missile	PL-10 (high off-boresight)	PL-10 (but kinematic performance weaker due to engine)
Engine	WS-10B (132–145 kN thrust)	RD-93MA (85–100 kN thrust)
Combat Radius	~1,200 km (with external tanks)	~1,000 km (with external tanks)
Avionics/EW	Superior IRST, datalinking, and electronic warfare suite	Good for its class but less advanced

So, for our purposes, J-10C is clearly superior.

 

[OldTwilight]

I understand, but money shouldn't be our main concern when we're facing an existential threat that openly talks about the balkanization of Iran and regime change.

We are a rich nation. This whole idea that fighter jets are expensive for us is some Basiji bullshit, to be honest with you. I believe the Islamic Regime has long ignored the importance of the Air Force because of its feud with the IRIAF after the Nozheh Coup. We spent 50 billion dollars in 15 years in the region to support useless resistance groups and a coward that ran away to Russia. Nothing we will do can be more expensive than that with almost no return.

I asked DeepSeek to compare the radar and air superiority capabilities of JF-10C and JF-17. This is what it said

1. Radar Systems​

Feature	J-10C	JF-17 Block III
Radar Type	AESA (Active Electronically Scanned Array)	KLJ-7A AESA (smaller than J-10C's)
Detection Range	~200–220 km (vs fighter-sized target)	~170 km (vs fighter-sized target)
Tracking Targets	~12–15 simultaneously	~10 simultaneously
Engagement Range	Longer-range PL-15 support	PL-15 support (but shorter radar range limits effectiveness)
EW/ECM Resistance	Superior (larger AESA, better processing)	Good, but smaller radar faces limitations
Advantage	Clear edge in detection, tracking, and BVR combat	Decent for its size but outclassed by J-10C

2. Air Superiority Capabilities​

Feature	J-10C	JF-17 Block III
Role	Air superiority + multirole (designed to counter 4.5-gen fighters)	Light multirole (emphasis on cost-effectiveness)
Maneuverability	Canard delta wing (excellent agility, high AoA)	Lacks thrust vectoring, weaker T/W ratio
Weapons Load	More hardpoints (11), heavier payload	Fewer hardpoints (7), lighter payload
BVR Missile	PL-15 (200+ km range)	PL-15 (but radar limits effective range)
WVR Missile	PL-10 (high off-boresight)	PL-10 (but kinematic performance weaker due to engine)
Engine	WS-10B (132–145 kN thrust)	RD-93MA (85–100 kN thrust)
Combat Radius	~1,200 km (with external tanks)	~1,000 km (with external tanks)
Avionics/EW	Superior IRST, datalinking, and electronic warfare suite	Good for its class but less advanced

So, for our purposes, J-10C is clearly superior.

This kind of mentality is the reason we have aging AF right now ... Most of us are dreaming about better fighter jets and not taking the opportunity to restore our AF ...

J10c is better but China is not willing to sell it (they didn't show any willingness in span of our war), so all the comparisons are invalid especially when we are in the middle of war ...

Pakistan openly supports us in this conflict, so I rather to act now and get what is more in my reach ...

For sure JF17B3 can patrol our sky and track and hunt down the enemy drones and disrupt enemy air raids with PL12 ( I doubt china agree to sell PL15 to us ) ...

let's be honest, even J10c has little chance against Israelis F35i and F15i supported by USA combat control systems ...

We just need something to support our AD network, hunt enemy drones and create enough cover for BM launchers to act and JF17B3 with support of some of AWACs can do it ...

 

[hussain0216]

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I did. Actually, I just finished watching it for the 2nd time.

How do you want to defend your AEW&C without an air force?
And why do you want to buy 100 JF-17? Who wants to sell you this platform to begin with? It's still a Chinese platform after all. And J-10C is superior to JF-17 for our purposes.

Rumors say we will receive 85 J-10C fighters eventually. Not bad at all. The only question is when it will be delivered and how much training of our pilots will take.

We have a clear problem over north-western Iran. We need to secure the sky of that area first.

Iran is Big

85 J10s is the absolute basic you need to take on any enemy coming from Israel, that leaves the rest of Iran open to attack

The JF17 is indeed smaller, but it's a package that is able to do everything the big boys can do at a much more reasonable price and is FLEXIBLE
It's much more more economical to maintain
Much more economical to fly
And can be used as a fighter that can be inducted in mass to cover areas of Iran including ports, cities, important sites
Provide backup support to heavy fighters and it's BVR capable

But most importantly
Will China give Iran any ability or support to incorporate iranian weapon with the J10????
If the answer is YES! Then go for the J10 and be done with it


If the answer is no, then it would be a good idea to induct the JF17 and use it as a platform to induct iranian weapons, cruise missiles, glide bombs, SOWs, anti ship weapons etc etc

All those weapons can be incorporated into the platform for a few


In addition, during peacetime, your day to day duties as a airforce can be carried out by the JF17, thus leaving heavier platforms to be used only for hard training and conflict