Is India Relevant?

[Guru Dutt]

No. Not our job.

No. Not our job.

No. Not our job.

No. Not our job.

I don't think we are interested.

No. Not our job.

As an ambassador, the author should know that this is already done. Then PM Vajpayee's visit to Minar-e-Pakistan was an acknowledgement of the same.

Nobody is interested in importing 220 million Pakistani into India.

Facts are facts and have to be accepted.

Why should we. Will you change CPEC to IPEC.

As an ambassador, the author should know that it is not a decision of Aug 2019 but the Parliament resolution adopted unanimously by both Houses on 22 February 1994 that Pakistan wants to reverse.

Why would Pakistan want visa free travel. It is not even allowing trade between the countries. Or the SAARC Motor Vehicle agreement.

now thats sensible yet very very cruel ... bhai S Subramaniam ji ka interview kuch jyada hi sunne lagge ho

 

[hussain0216]

so are they going to eat those nuces or what !!!!!!
thing is no one cares about Pkaiistani nuces here and if they think they only have nuces well we have much much more , much much compact and with much mcuh leathel and accurate diliverry systems which they can never dream to stop but we are constantly watching all there moves and manouvering owr assets and counter startegies

do not forget both LUDO and Chess /Chaturanga were invented in ancient india so was oldest book on economicks diplomacy and counter counter startegies called Chankyas Arthshastra

Chaturanga - Wikipedia

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Arthashastra - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

so why on earth should we reconsile and help a nation like Pakistan that has always stabbed us in back whenever we tried to make peace with it

Who the **** wants to make peace with India

You got all this fantasy, from where exactly???

In the last few years, India was humiliated by Pakistan in 2019
Humiliated by China on the LAC in 2020
Was totally out thought and expelled from Afghanistan In 2021
And even went through a COVID holocaust

In which fantasy world are you winning?


Pakistan has always sought positive relations with it's neighbours, but what Pakistan won't do is forget Kashmir or it's strategic interests

 

[Guru Dutt]

Who the **** wants to make peace with India

You got all this fantasy, from where exactly???

In the last few years, India was humiliated by Pakistan in 2019
Humiliated by China on the LAC in 2020
Was totally out thought and expelled from Afghanistan In 2021
And even went through a COVID holocaust

In which fantasy world are you winning?


Pakistan has always sought positive relations with it's neighbours, but what Pakistan won't do is forget Kashmir or it's strategic interests

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[Raj-Hindustani]

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The latest? To ease tensions between the two nuclear-armed neighbors, Pakistan has once again advocated for the normalization of relations with India but not before outlining its oft-repeated conditions including ‘a just and peaceful resolution of the long-standing Jammu and Kashmir dispute’. Seeking ‘good-neighborly relations with India on the basis of mutual respect and sovereign equality’ is nothing more than a formality or perhaps a ‘diplomatic need’ Pakistan feels obliged to meet. To pointlessly expect India to take a ‘collective action to address pressing challenges rather than perpetuating a cycle of hostility’ is indeed an exercise in futility – and Islamabad knows it.

First, the basics. How is India relevant to Pakistan? Can India assist in addressing Pakistan’s grave economic issues in any possible way? Can India help in improving Pakistan’s human development indices, unemployment, and illiteracy? Can India help Pakistan in getting rid of IPPs? Can India assist in attracting FDIs for the SIFC? Will there be a joint India-Pakistan Commission to eradicate poverty, extremism, and terrorism from the region? Will India convince the US to let the Pak-Iran gas pipeline project succeed?

By any stretch of the imagination, will India accept that in 1947, the other independent and sovereign country that came into being was Pakistan? Can India exclude Pakistan from its philosophically inspired dream of Akhand Bharat? Can India accept Sino-Pak strategic relations as a fact? Will India support Pakistan in establishing EPZs for CPEC? More importantly, can India reverse its decisions of Aug 2019 and request the UN Security Council to hold a free and fair plebiscite for the people of Kashmir to decide their future? Will India help Pakistan in becoming a member of BRICS + so that travelling between Pakistan and India could be visa-free?

The quest continues. Will India ever agree to a nuclear-free South Asia? Will India help Pakistan in signing a nuclear deal with the US to enjoy what it is enjoying through the Indo-US nuclear deal? Does Pakistan expect any scientific and technological support from India? Will India ever wish to see a technologically advanced Pakistan? Will India and Pakistan ever hold joint military exercises to ‘deter’ a common enemy? Can India assist Pakistan in brokering a favorable deal with TTP? Can India strictly and perpetually abide by the Indus Waters Treaty? In short, can India stop considering Pakistan an enemy?

If the answer to all these questions is a flat no, why and how is India relevant to Pakistan?

Thinking outside the box, let us see the other side of the midnight as well. Let us dig deeper. Is it the ‘core’ issue that must be addressed and India’s cooperation is needed? Is it the past that keeps haunting Pakistan? Is there a psychological hangover upsetting Pakistan? Why co-existing peacefully is not important for India? Why can’t both countries follow the ‘live and let live’ approach? Does Pakistan fear an all-out onslaught from India that it must look in a perpetual appeasement mode? Why learning from history is so difficult for Pakistan? In short, what exactly it is that keeps India ‘relevant’ for Pakistan?

Calling terrorism an ‘industry’, FM Jaishankar would warn that ‘tolerance for any cross-border terrorism activity in India is very low’ adding that ‘if Pakistan winds down this industry that it has created, then people will treat them as a normal neighbor’. Never mind which kind of ‘industry’ is producing EU-DisinfoLab or Kulbhushan Yadav or creating an official apparatus to eliminate Hardeep Singh Nijjar and Gurpatwant Singh PannuN or causing grave concerns for Canada and the Five-Eyes while making bold headlines for sponsoring terrorism overseas. The fact remains: two wrongs do not make a right.

Letting both New Delhi and Islamabad to respond to each other’s ‘manufacturing’ abilities in one of the most abhorring fields, let us keep our focus on the subject and keep digging: What will the politicians of both countries sell during election campaigns if Pakistan and India became ‘normal’ neighbors? Who will be blamed if anything goes wrong at home? On the other hand, imagine a military syllabus without Sun Tzu, Clausewitz, Morgenthau and Chanakya? If the K and T words are eliminated from the South Asian strategic calculus, wouldn’t a classic chess game be transformed into a harmless game of ludo?

India is a smart enemy. It has done its homework properly and reached a pragmatic decision in principle at least for the foreseeable future - leave Pakistan to its own devices and let it suffer; ignore it openly, decisively and with contempt; and safeguard its own interests without expecting any good from its Western neighbor. This is what FM Jayshankar means when he says - Pakistan is irrelevant. Indeed, India has manifestly and unequivocally made its official position known to Pakistan. Maria Callas was not referring to Pak-India rigmarole when she observed - ‘When my enemies stop hissing, I shall know I am slipping’. However, the American opera singer had a point.

Way forward: Pakistan must analyze why it has been labelled as ‘irrelevant’ by its Eastern neighbor. Simultaneously, there is a need to reflect on India’s relevance to Pakistan particularly when the latter is in the process of putting its own house in order. Pakistan has spelled out its conditions for ‘normalization’. So has India. The buck may stop here. Meanwhile, Islamabad may try to come out of its apparent appeasing mode and adopt a ‘wait and see’ policy instead – at least till the time its Foreign Office is able to think beyond its pre-Aug 2019 brief on Pak-India relations. By denying a dialogue to Pakistan or refusing to normalize relations, India is making a strategic mistake it might regret later. By rebuffing Pakistan blatantly, India is committing a tactical error which might have ramifications in the long run. In this regard, for Islamabad, there is no harm in taking Napoleon Bonaparte’s wisdom - ‘Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake.’

Najm us Saqib
The writer is a former Ambassador of Pakistan and author of eight books in three languages. He can be reached at najmussaqib1960@msn.com

Pakistani leaders are leaving in own dream world.

They are very far from the ground reality.

With such statements and attitude, India will just response- what's issue ?- relationship with you - I don't need and don't care... Live in your world

 

[hussain0216]

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Yaar, their is always some clown with some dumb article, that's been the same for the last 75 years

South Asia is full of people that absolutely HATE AND DETEST each other

Some fcuking liberal clown spouting bullcrap about friendship means dog shit compared to the overwhelming feeling of the masses in general


Of late Pakistan has done very well, in seeking to safeguard it's strategic interests

Just because their is fall out doesn't mean Pakistan didn't have to act, especially I. Afghanistan

If Pakistan had the balls to take down the U.S, NATO and India is Afghanistan (which it did) then what the hell else would Pakistan worry about

Your acting like China didn't come, take land and beat Indian soldiers to death, an act which India STILL isnt able to respond to

 

[Raj-Hindustani]

This article has lot of ironies.. The author admits that India is a smart enemy and then says that India is making a mistake by not talking to Pakistan.

Talking with Pakistan establishment makes no sense.

Will Pakistan handover pak kashmir and gilgit baltistan to india?

Will India will handover Indian parts of Kashmir to Pakistan?

Will both countries will leave their parts of Jammu and Kashmir and declare a free country after combining both the parts?

Answers Is a hell "Big No"..

So why the hell talk is needed on Jammu and Kashmir? Already wasted 75 years, don't need to waste our paid tax for such useless talks.

There is only one solution - make LOC as permanent borders, should be accepted by both, but sure - both sides will not accept it due to political and in Pakistan, military leadership reasons.

 

[hussain0216]

Talking with Pakistan establishment makes no sense.

Will Pakistan handover pak kashmir and gilgit baltistan to india?

Will India will handover Indian parts of Kashmir to Pakistan?

Will both countries will leave their parts of Jammu and Kashmir and declare a free country after combining both the parts?

Answers Is a hell "Big No"..

So why the hell talk is needed on Jammu and Kashmir? Already wasted 75 years, don't need to waste our paid tax for such useless talks.

There is only one solution - make LOC as permanent borders, should be accepted by both, but sure - both sides will not accept it due to political and in Pakistan, military leadership reasons.

LOC cannot be the border, Kashmiri Muslims and their land cannot be left with a Hindu enemy that they detest


Already their are 200+ million Indian Muslims with next to nothing representation inside India, and they are severely agitated at the moment

And that anger is palpable

The biggest idiotic mistake you clowns make is thinking this is about money, or you can fix the situation with investment maybe

This is EMOTIONAL, this is about faith, history culture etc everything



So every now and then some liberal secular retard will spout similar bullshit about friendship and working shit out, but this is not something the general public subscribes to, their is mass animosity at a basic level that is the norm

And until south Asia has the same situation that PARTITION IS INCOMPLETE and you have a India with hundreds of millions of people who are unrepresented then the conflict will only gradually get worse

 

[Raj-Hindustani]

LOC cannot be the border, Kashmiri Muslims and their land cannot be left with a Hindu enemy that they detest


Already their are 200+ million Indian Muslims with next to nothing representation inside India, and they are severely agitated at the moment

And that anger is palpable

The biggest idiotic mistake you clowns make is thinking this is about money, or you can fix the situation with investment maybe

This is EMOTIONAL, this is about faith, history culture etc everything



So every now and then some liberal secular retard will spout similar bullshit about friendship and working shit out, but this is not something the general public subscribes to, their is mass animosity at a basic level that is the norm

And until south Asia has the same situation that PARTITION IS INCOMPLETE and you have a India with hundreds of millions of people who are unrepresented then the conflict will only gradually get worse

Bhai aap logon ka kuch nahi ho sakta, the world does have time for such old BS

Atleast learn something from china - how to deal with the issues.

Else - as said, indian response you know already, don't need to beat such dead horse about ndia and Pakistan relationship.

India is officially not interested in any relationship with Pakistan.

 

[Guru Dutt]

but this is not something the general public subscribes to, their is mass animosity at a basic level that is the norm

And until south Asia has the same situation that PARTITION IS INCOMPLETE and you have a India with hundreds of millions of people who are unrepresented then the conflict will only gradually get worse

well @nahtanbob here you have your answer in the nutshell as thats the actual nerrative of Pakistani nation as a whole which is not going to change and until that changes there can be no buissness or so called reconcilation

Pakistanies are a so called QUOM/Nation living in past with a always waiting or dreaming for some so called Messiah that will save there nation and make them great once again and make them rule over india and maybe the world

once it was Jinnah they then started looking it in Ayub Khan then Z A Bhutto then Zia Ul Haq and then Nawaz Shrief and now from diffrent COASs to finally they narroed in on Imran Khan

 

[Raj-Hindustani]

well @nahtanbob here you have your answer in the nutshell as thats the actual nerrative of Pakistani nation as a whole which is not going to change and until that changes there can be no buissness or so called reconcilation

Pakistanies are a so called QUOM/Nation living in past with a always waiting or dreaming for some so called Messiah that will save there nation and make them great once again and make them rule over india and maybe the world

once it was Jinnah they then started looking it in Ayub Khan then Z A Bhutto then Zia Ul Haq and then Nawaz Shrief and now from diffrent COASs to finally they narroed in on Imran Khan

Friend Regarding this, I disagree with you.

I think that in Pakistan, the narrative that Hindus are engaging in criminal activity against Muslims throughout India, particularly in Kashmir, is one that cannot be reversed quickly. This narrative has been sold for the past 75 years by pakistani leadership.

Pakistanis have learned all of these things from their leaders, and the government of Pakistan is now can't earse those taught things and can't back from their sold things.

As a result, they would invariably bring up Kashmir Point first since they see no other option.

On the Indian side, the Pakistani portions of Jammu & Kashmir are hardly discussed. The majority of folks don't give a damn. However, it's a political stance opposing Pakistan's position on our end, and political leaders occasionally exploit this subject for vote-politics. If not, who gives a damn. Life is about much more than these things.

 

[Guru Dutt]

Friend Regarding this, I disagree with you.

I think that in Pakistan, the narrative that Hindus are engaging in criminal activity against Muslims throughout India, particularly in Kashmir, is one that cannot be reversed quickly. This narrative has been sold for the past 75 years by pakistani leadership.

Pakistanis have learned all of these things from their leaders, and the government of Pakistan is now can't earse those taught things and can't back from their sold things.

As a result, they would invariably bring up Kashmir Point first since they see no other option.

On the Indian side, the Pakistani portions of Jammu & Kashmir are hardly discussed. The majority of folks don't give a damn. However, it's a political stance opposing Pakistan's position on our end, and political leaders occasionally exploit this subject for vote-politics. If not, who gives a damn. Life is about much more than these things.

bhai in short there existence depends on obession with india good or bad eitherway they can never rest till there so called promise they think is written in hadith is fullfilled they will keep repeating it no matter what Kashmir or no Kashmir

 

[Skukuza]

This is what I gathered from the internet. Pakistan and India got divorced many years ago due to religious differences. Many battles took place for custody of their children including the twins named Kashmir India took some of the children and Pakistan forcibly took one child named Kashmir whilst India forcibly retained the twin Kashmir. Pakistan gave one child named Karakoram to its new lover China. That rattled India. Many more battles happened between the former spouses over the children. Pakistan tries to rile up the Indian twin Kashmir against India who in turn forcibly disciplines the Kashmir under its custody. Like most divorces the fights are unnecessary and stupid and only the children remain victims. Solution...Solomon's Wisdom. Split the twins and be happy with what you have

 

[Raj-Hindustani]

This is what I gathered from the internet. Pakistan and India got divorced many years ago due to religious differences. Many battles took place for custody of their children including the twins named Kashmir India took some of the children and Pakistan forcibly took one child named Kashmir whilst India forcibly retained the twin Kashmir. Pakistan gave one child named Karakoram to its new lover China. That rattled India. Many more battles happened between the former spouses over the children. Pakistan tries to rile up the Indian twin Kashmir against India who in turn forcibly disciplines the Kashmir under its custody. Like most divorces the fights are unnecessary and stupid and only the children remain victims. Solution...Solomon's Wisdom. Split the twins and be happy with what you have

... Yeah that's only the solution

 

[Guru Dutt]

... Yeah that's only the solution

And thats exactly what BJP is practiccing for past 10 years by not indulging with them anymore

Pakistani pakistan me rahhe hum hindustani hindustan me khush we Hindustanis just dont want anything from Pakistan niether there land nor there trade routes to central asia or afghanistan ... mauf kardo bhai nahi chaiyye

 

[hussain0216]

Bhai aap logon ka kuch nahi ho sakta, the world does have time for such old BS

Atleast learn something from china - how to deal with the issues.

Else - as said, indian response you know already, don't need to beat such dead horse about ndia and Pakistan relationship.

India is officially not interested in any relationship with Pakistan.

And we hate Hindus, so we are all on the same page

This is why partition was the BEST AND ONLY OPTION for the people of South Asia



All we want is a completion of partition so we can end this once and for all and never have to see or deal with Hindus

The problem isn't us, it's indians


Kashmir was a Muslim majority state, it wanted freedom and partition and instead you forced a Muslim state into a union full of Hindus it hated


You convince Indian Muslims to trust in India over partition and then leave hundreds of millions without representation and under a hindutva state

You chose this stupidity which meant constant conflict