Israel’s Genocide in Gaza | 2023- till present

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Spot on. Your post reflects my understanding of the 'Western' role in Israel. As far as the Middle East is concerned: There is no united 'West'. There is just America which can't alone be the 'West'. And in America it is just the AIPAC and the Military Industrial Complex, along with the stupid Evangelical Christians in America which form the bedrock of the Israel's very existence. And they can be countered and neutralized using political means and thus I have been advocating 'smart politics' for many months in America, and from what I have seen, the pro Palestinian groups in America are reaching out to the recently affected communities like the Latinos to form political alliances. Smart move!! A tad late because all that should have been done leading to the 2024 elections but better late than never.

Also, I know that Netanyahu and his stooges in America are going to counter the new political alignments tooth and nail because they, rightly, see as the biggest threat to Israel BUT there are the youths, the liberals, the progressives, the isolationists in MAGA, the visible and the gender minorities, the labor unions, the Arab/Muslim voices, the progressive Jews who are inevitably going to turn the tide.

I don't entirely agree.

Firstly, there are powerful Zionists in Europe, especially in Germany, France, UK, Russia. Also, most of central and eastern Europe is quite xenophobic towards both Muslims and Jews, so they support Israel.

As for the US, the Zionist dominance is absolute. I don't see any chance of Israel losing American support anytime soon. The media, finance, politics are all completely and utterly under Zionist control.
 
Palestine? Yes

Arab world? No. GCC is infinitely better off now than it was under the Ottomans and relative to Turks now. Their society is more prosperous, more peaceful, and they have become global hubs for human capital and technology.
GCC is only doing good because of oil wealth. Let’s not pretend the entire Arab world is not behind so far from Western counterparts from technology, militarily, education, etc
 
There is no concept of cowardice or bravery in international geopolitics.

From my point of view, Iran is doing whatever it is doing in pursuit of its national interests, just the same as other countries who may choose to support or not support anything according to their own respective national interests.

And all countries are equally entitled to do that.
I never said different, every country is entitled to do what’s best for them. My issue is deflecting the blame to Iran by those countries.
 
You are right. I should have been a bit more careful in differentiating between the Palestinians and the GCC Arabs.
However, it is not a trivial matter that the GCC Arabs, while they were under the colonial Turks then, are now under the thumb of a far worse colonial thumb, if they only know that. The recent gains and prosperity in the GCC is extremely vulnerable should they even try not to please the interests of remote power and their dagger pointed to their necks. At least the Turks shared the religion and geography!
I don't think that's true. At the end of the day what is important is that Arabs are ruling themselves now based on the social contract between the citizenry and State.

With regard to global politics and balancing interests of global powers - all States need to do that. Every state navigates global power politics through compromises in some aspects in return for gains aligned to their interests. To their credit the Arabs have navigated it in a manner that they have yielded historically unprecedented prosperity and safety for their people. Have they had to make compromises? Of course.

However, literally every country in the world - from China to India to Maldives - makes compromises on some interests in return for gains in other interests in a global power marketplace. No country can have it all across the board, not even the US. That is how global state politics has worked since time immemorial.

Under Turkish colonialism under the guise of 'same religion and geography' the Arabs would have had neither self-rule, nor economic prosperity, nor peace. Under self-rule they have achieved both prosperity and peace. Frankly, even if they got neither, self-rule is still better.

GCC is only doing good because of oil wealth. Let’s not pretend the entire Arab world is not behind so far from Western counterparts from technology, militarily, education, etc
Does that mean that Arabs should have remained subservient to the Turks who were themselves behind the West in technology, military, education, etc.? Ultimately, the entire rest of the world is behind the Western counterparts in varying degrees.

All countries leverage the resources they have (i.e., play the cards they are dealt with). For some it is natural resources, for others its sitting on favourable trade routes, for others still it is fertile land. The Arabs got oil and they have played it well to build up their society. They could have become a Venezuela but they did not. In fact they are taking active efforts to diversify their economy for the post oil era and frankly, doing quite well.

All of this still points to one indisputable fact - the Arabs did not 'backstab' the Ottomans/Turks. Their fight for self-rule was noble at best and righteous at worst.
 
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Firstly, there are powerful Zionists in Europe, especially in Germany, France, UK, Russia. Also, most of central and eastern Europe is quite xenophobic towards both Muslims and Jews.
Even if you read the Israeli press itself, they see Europe as lost, as being too 'blackmailed' by the Muslims in Europe and that Europe is anti-Semitic.

As for the US, the Zionist dominance is absolute. I don't see any chance of Israel losing American support anytime soon. The media, finance, politics are all completely and utterly under Zionist control.

Nah, Israeli narrative was not always this dominant in America and until the end of the Cold War, American Presidents were often critical of Israel. The last one who exerted American power was Bush Senior. As I keep saying: The Fall of the Soviet Union injected a high dose of hubris where careful foreign policy hasn't matter much in America. But there are forces in America which have been unleashed as street protests, powerful vlogs, and political alliances as the horrible genocide in Gaza was witnessed. Those forces were historically inevitable. Netanyahu knows that well and that' why he is doubling down on dissent in America as soon as Trump became the President; compared with what's going, even Biden was angel when it came to free speech. In short, any long term Israel's hold over America is not assured at all.
 
. Under self-rule they have achieved both prosperity and peace. Frankly, even if they got neither, self-rule is still better.
Oil wealth is what has made some countries prosper. What has the Arab world developed? They don’t even develop their own weapons such as tanks, aircraft, etc They spend billions of dollars on Western weapons when they could spend billions developing their own.

What peace? How many Arab countries have been destroyed or attacked?
 
With regard to global politics and balancing interests of global powers - all States need to do that. Every state navigates global power politics through compromises in some aspects in return for gains aligned to their interests. To their credit the Arabs have navigated it in a manner that they have yielded historically unprecedented prosperity and safety for their people. Have they had to make compromises? Of course.

Well, only time will tell. But I think IF a colonial power had rule the Arab world then the Turks would have been better due to being co-religionists and in the same geography. The Arab world is being insulted by having an alien culture, from faraway land in their midst and that alien culture can and will dictate trade/commerce/exploration rights as that would suite that culture and the Arab 'street' knows that well. But to America, if the Middle East burns then that's less pain. To the Turks, it would be more pain. And hence the Turks would be less willing to ignite the region than the Americans, hypothetically speaking as colonialists, of course.
The prosperity that you see in the current GCC countries has a dagger pointed to its neck! Saudi Arabia bought $100 billion of weapons under the first Trump term--probably a donation to keep in power or else!!!
 
Oil wealth is what has made some countries prosper. What has the Arab world developed? They don’t even develop their own weapons such as tanks, aircraft, etc They spend billions of dollars on Western weapons when they could spend billions developing their own.

That's what I was trying to say just above!
 
I never said different, every country is entitled to do what’s best for them. My issue is deflecting the blame to Iran by those countries.

Good. Now that you have agreed that "every country is entitled to do what’s best for them" , then it follows that deflecting blame to any other country is pointless, since every country is responsible for its own actions, all benefits and consequences thereof included.
 
2 years on into the 10X12 mile area and the IDF still facing resistance:-

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Good. Now that you have agreed that "every country is entitled to do what’s best for them" , then it follows that deflecting blame to any other country is pointless, since every country is responsible for its own actions, all benefits and consequences thereof included.
Yet they are still blaming Iran for their own incompetence or cowardice, right?

Just FYI, doing what’s best for you doesn’t take the blame away. USA supporting a genocidal state committing genocide doesn’t relieve them of fault. Everyone has a role in what’s happening.
 
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UNRWA Commissioner: One million people, most of whom are women and children who are subjected to collective punishment in Gaza

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Yet they are still blaming Iran for their own incompetence or cowardice, right?

Just FYI, doing what’s best for you doesn’t take the blame away. USA supporting a genocidal state committing genocide doesn’t relieve them of fault. Everyone has a role in what’s happening.

So please clarify this for me: Blaming Iran for what it is doing is NOT okay, but blaming USA for what it is doing is indeed okay? But then you say that "everyone has a role in what's happening" and this must also include Iran as well as USA, like other countries.

Some consistency is needed here, it seems to me.
 
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