Israel’s Genocide in Gaza | 2023- till present

[Meengla]

USA policy in the region is falling apart, right infront of our eyes ... abraham accords are dead. dead. Iran-Saudi are moving to resolve their differences.. saudi have started the process of de-dollarisation. petrodollar is over. i can go on and on about how the USA and Israel are losing.

The Pentagon and the CIA are very much against a regional war. They know the outcome not only for the region, including Israel/Iran, but also for the thousands of American troops in Syria and Iraq. Recently, when Sec. Blinken had accepted Zelensky's wish to get long range missiles, the Pentagon, via Sec. Austin, pushed back hard and Zelensky didn't get his wish.
In the current administration, Sec. Austin is one of the few cabinet member who is not Jewish/Zionist and he is a person of color--and that combination does shape one's thought process.
The hope in the pro Palestinian American analysts is that the Pentagon will prevail between now and the elections. Until the American elections, not much can be done because the AIPAC money and media is needed by both parties. Netanyahu is aware of that and is using the current 'unique opportunity' to start a regional war but, as of now, he is not getting his wish. He may go without America to drag the Americans in--but that can become a very costly gamble if the Americans don't jump in.
So, in short, you are right: There is no victory for Israel and America. Even if Gaza is totally subjugated today, the northern front will stay active for as long as there is supplies and support from Iran.

 

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[Meengla]

People just don't get it.
Israel says drone struck Netanhayu's home while Hezbullah is silent. This is all Israeli drama to pacify Muslim world that Hezbullah and Iran are still in the game. Otherwise, there would have been street protests in Muslim world after Sinwar's death.
Look at the high quality videos coming out of Israel, who is recording and releasing them ?. MOSSAD !.
Iran must negotiate peace, release all Israeli hostage and checkmate Israel from further war.

I don't think you have been in this forum/thread until recently. With respect, you are not fully informed. When people like @Persian Gulf say something about this conflict, then please pay attention.
As to the drone on Netanyahu's house: Maybe it hit. Maybe it didn't. There is propaganda from both sides. But what is NOT propaganda is Israelis themselves admitting casualties in both Gaza and Lebanon. It doesn't help Israel at all to announce their casaulties because the psychological impact is big in Israel. Already, one quarter of Israelis are thinking about leaving Israel--that's the equivalent of 80 MILLION Americans leaving America!
The game is still on. I wish it was not. But it is on.

 

[Persian Gulf]

As to the drone on Netanyahu's house: Maybe it hit. Maybe it didn't. There is propaganda from both sides.

confirmed hit

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[lightning f57]

Israel is cooked.. truly cooked.

and to boot - USA policy in the region is falling apart, right infront of our eyes ... abraham accords are dead. dead. Iran-Saudi are moving to resolve their differences.. saudi have started the process of de-dollarisation. petrodollar is over. i can go on and on about how the USA and Israel are losing.

hamas will still be there - long after me and you have moved into history...

You just dont understand what is going on.

Just as the invasion of Iraq brought Iraqis closer to Iran and 20 plus years to remove the Taleban failed so will this effort to keep the zionist regime going. The world is seeing the west for what it is, international law only to protect them. Alliances are being made and shift in geopolitical thinking occurring.

How long will the US protect the zionist state, time is with us not these supporters of evil.

 

[Meengla]

How long will the US protect the zionist state, time is with us not these supporters of evil.

There is absolutely a significant rift on the Democratic side of the American debate.

 

[Alter_Ego]

The big question is why do America NEED to support a country like Israel at all??
Yes i know the gopolitical rationale and all that… the frothing watchdog role and all that…

But i argue that America can do uqually well in gaining influence in ME without supporting Israel.

China forexample do more trade with ME than America. Their influence have grown leaps and bounds the past decades, without having any special affinity to Israel.

 

[Meengla]

The big question is why fo America NEED to support a country like Israel at all??
Yes i know the gopolitical rationale and all that… the frothing watchdog role and all that…
But i argue that America can do uqually well in gaining influence in ME without supporting Israel.
China forexample do more trade with ME than America. Their influence have grown leaps and bounds the past decades, without having any special affinity to Israel.

Judge Napolitano Channel has been discussing the decades old Tail Wagging the Dog or the Dog Wagging the Tail. Very good analysts like Dr. Gilbert Doctrow saying that America is the dog and Israel serves its goal. While Prof. Mearsheimer thinks it is the Israeli Tail Wagging the American Dog, using the infamous Israel Lobby. Yesterday, the same question was asked to Ray McGovern and he dodged it by saying something like 'Makes no difference; the die has been cast'. Matthew Hoh is saying '70%' it is the Israel Lobby.

But I have no doubt that Israelis are going to bring down American influence in the Middle East. I am with Mearsheimer on this debate for the most part but after this conflict began, I do see that there are some American strategic interests by propping up Israel.

 

[Alter_Ego]

Judge Napolitano Channel has been discussing the decades old Tail Wagging the Dog or the Dog Wagging the Tail. Very good analysts like Dr. Gilbert Doctrow saying that America is the dog and Israel serves its goal. While Prof. Mearsheimer thinks it is the Israeli Tail Wagging the American Dog, using the infamous Israel Lobby. Yesterday, the same question was asked to Ray McGovern and he dodged it by saying something like 'Makes no difference; the die has been cast'. Matthew Hoh is saying '70%' it is the Israel Lobby.

But I have no doubt that Israelis are going to bring down American influence in the Middle East. I am with Mearsheimer on this debate for the most part but after this conflict began, I do see that there are some American strategic interests by propping up Israel.

I think its fundamentally about the western political thinking which is fatalistic at its core.

The thinking that if We dont attack, then They will attack us sooner or later.

The whole reasoning of course based upon a mental projection.

 

[Mehdipersian]

Netanyahu's residence place After Hezbollah attack

 

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I recognize that my understanding of a Kamala Harris presidency is probably a unique one in this forum among those who are pro Palestinians. But I believe she could not be worse than Biden or Trump; I have come to this conclusion after factoring in many things observed over the last several months especially in Israeli and American discourse. Respectable pro Palestinian American analysts are cautious about Kamala: They don't want to be proven wrong IF/WHEN she becomes the President but they at least say that they don't know about her or that she is not likely to be substantially better than Biden. But the same analysts have ZERO doubt what Trump would do. In contrast, there is wide embrace of Trump in the Israeli discourse.

Trump's track record is of an isolationist. Kamala's track record is of a Genocide enabler. The choice is clear. Vote Jill Stein.

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[925boy]

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An unusual security incident for an Israeli force on the Lebanese border.

Helicopters rush to transport the injured

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Please- how many drones did Iran give Hezbollah???? (i bet Hezbollah has like 20-50K drones of all types) LIKE OMG- Hezbollah's drones have been so effective at disrupting and efficiently attacking Israeli military soldiers and assets- its lovely to see.

Hezbollahi drones efficiently evade detection and destruction by Israeli radars, Iron dome systems, IDF soldiers etc. in their missions to hit critical Israeli targets.

Palestine and the resistance are in a fight against Israel that will not stop until Palestine is free (at the minimum)- War is now a way of living for Israel and the region, not just a one-off "activity" or "mission"- i thinks its good for Israel- Israel has done alot of bad, it doesn't deserve comfort and peace, respectfully.

Israel also bombed the life out of Lebanon and Hezbollah and its currently getting bombed by rockets and drones on the daily- like i said, i love to see it, its therapeutic.

 

[925boy]

Netanyahu's residence place After Hezbollah attack
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Listen my brother- Because US (with Soleimani's killing) and Israel (with Nasrallah, Haniyeh, Sinwar, etc) have killed many resistance leaders, its now open season on killing Western and Israeli leaders- attempts are being made on the lives of Israeli leaders, and a few senior but not too high up have probably died from Iran's and Hezbollah's recent strikes on Israel- Israeli censorship is very real and absolute and has warped many people's knowledge and perceptions.