Israel’s Genocide in Gaza | 2023- till present

[_Arabia_]

When I say the Arab world needs to take responsibility, I say the same for Turkey. Turkey has played an extremely negative role in the conflict; and can easily close US access into Europe/Middle East as well.

But I am sure you will not do anything until Turkey does; and Turkey will not do anything until the Arab world does. And Palestinians go into oblivion.

Even if the entire Arab world (let alone Muslim world) was ruled by perfect rulers who only made pro-Palestinian moves selfishly (no such thing in this modern world where each country is "in it" on its own), the crux of the matter is that Israel/USA/West has an ENORMOUS militarily, economic, political, media etc. advantage. To the point that it makes the entire Muslim world look like the incompetent lot they are.

Hence the state of the overall Muslim world which is that of disgrace (by large) compared to landmass, population, resources and history.

And as I wrote, if you want to be serious, you need to have AT LEAST military parity with the US/West/Israel. In other words a similar number of nukes and similar delivery systems. Otherwise you are as a sheep before slaughter.

 

[LeGenD]

I agree with the hormonal teens protesting, and the general ineffectiveness of Palestinian protests.

But I noticed you did not answer my points about Israel. What you talked about Biden and his failure to win over Americans is all about domestic policy, nothing to do with the Middle East.

This is not a zero sum game. If Palestinians are not providing "value" to the US (country) does not mean Israel is providing value to the US (country).

If or when the US decides that Israel is a liability, they will dismantle it themselves. However, this is not the situation in our times. The US is a giant and not in a rush. Now I don't claim to know what will be the future of-course.

 

[_Arabia_]

Point remains the same, the situation is utterly unacceptable, shameful, embarrassing and a reflection of the incompetence.

No two ways about it.

I am no longer going to participate in this shameless charade.

The only thing that will have any effect is if Muslims start to get serious on improving themselves in every field and work towards genuine unity. Otherwise this joke will continue and we will only be talking about meaningless "concepts" that have no importance on the ground.

 

[LeGenD]

Point remains the same, the situation is utterly unacceptable, shameful, embarrassing and a reflection of the incompetence.

No two ways about it.

I am no longer going to participate in this shameless charade.

The only thing that will have any effect is if Muslims start to get serious on improving themselves in every field and work towards genuine unity. Otherwise this joke will continue and we will only be talking about meaningless "concepts" that have no importance on the ground.

Let me the first to say that it is good to have some Arabian perspective on PDF for a change. A number of Arab countries are in the process of becoming advanced countries and there is a need to learn from Arab experience. Most of the perspectives provided are the same old with no focus on how the world of business works and why some countries have leverage.

 

[unconventional]

@_Arabia_

Some questions for you:

a) What is stopping the GCC countries from closing their air bases to the US?

Is it the question is why the GCC countries should stop providing air bases to the US, and that Palestine is not their responsibility?

b) What is stopping the GCC countries ending financial relations with the US (and pivoting to other countries more like China, Russia)?

c) What is stopping Saudi Arabia to make peace with the Houthis?

d) Do you think the Houthis are terrorists, and do you want them to be defeated?

e) Do you think Hamas are terrorists?

f) Honestly, would you prefer the defeat of Iran or Israel?

 

[unconventional]

Let me the first to say that it is good to have some Arabian perspective on PDF for a change. A number of Arab countries are in the process of becoming advanced countries and there is a need to learn from Arab experience. Most of the perspectives provided are the same old with no focus on how the world of business works and why some countries have leverage.

Would you say the GCC countries have some leverage over the US?

 

[_Arabia_]

@_Arabia_

Some questions for you:

a) What is stopping the GCC countries from closing their air bases to the US?

Is it the question is why the GCC countries should stop providing air bases to the US, and that Palestine is not their responsibility?

b) What is stopping the GCC countries ending financial relations with the US (and pivoting to other countries more like China, Russia)?

c) What is stopping Saudi Arabia to make peace with the Houthis?

d) Do you think the Houthis are terrorists, and do you want them to be defeated?

e) Do you think Hamas are terrorists?

A)

Am I the spokesman of GCC states or any state for that matter? There are no US or foreign bases in KSA.

The few US military bases in the GCC are located far from Israel and play no role whatsoever in the current conflict for the reasons that I already stated. Nor has this anything to do with any of my main points. Israel enjoyed immunity/total US/Western support for DECADES long before there was 1 single US/foreign base anywhere in the Arab world.

When I openly and harshly criticize Muslims/Muslim world, that includes everyone and every leadership as a whole. The GCC are not immune in this regard. Nor is the GCC even one single bloc. For starters, look at the political differences (sounds familiar, ah?). Just look at the KSA-UAE disagreements which are huge foreign policy wise. From Libya to Sudan to Yemen next door. To Syria. List is very long.

B) Ignorant comment with all due respect when the same GCC has the strongest (BY FAR) financial relations with China, Russia, India etc. of any Muslim nation BY FAR. As well as strategic relations overall. For instance in terms of militarily cooperation, the strategic military ties that KSA has enjoyed with China since the late 1980's are only second to Pakistan in the entire Muslim world. Look no further than the ongoing military projects (uranium excavation within KSA, the extremely close and expanding ballistic/missile cooperation, drones and much more).

C) You have been sleeping or what? There have been no active conflict between KSA and the 32 year old Houthi cult for years. A better question, what stops the 32 year old Houthi cult from working towards Yemeni unity and stop their hegemonic ambitions on behalf of Yemenis when the majority do not support them? Who gave them the right to start the Yemeni civil war in 2014 and as a consequence turn Yemen into a failed nation? Who gives them the right to hold the Zaydi population in northwestern Yemen as hostages now? Why are they saints in your view?

D) I consider them an armed 32 year old cult that has nothing to do with Yemen (millennia old history), 1350 years of Zaydi history. I believe that Yemen would be in a far better place without them and ANY other militias. I don't support rag tag militias that operate outside of state control. This is something that only occurs in failed and divided states. So no, like most sane Yemenis, I don't think civil wars are a good thing, outside meddling nor militias.

Imagine if there were parallel militias/armies during the Rashidun, Umayyad, Abbasid, Fatimid, Ottoman etc. eras. Or in Pakistan. You probably would not like to see that. Naturally. But honestly, I stopped caring. If people (locals) want to live in a failed state controlled by khat addicted incompetent lot, it is their choice and problem.

E) Not sure if a serious question. Of course not. It is a legitimate resistance group made up by mostly patriotic Palestinians and Muslims. Not comparable to what Houthis have done within their own country since 2014. Anyway it is not my interest or prerogative to tell locals anywhere who should be ruling them or who they should be supporting. If Gazans are content with Hamas and want to be ruled by them for another 19 years, they are free to believe that. Similarly I don't care about outsiders opinions about who rules KSA. If/when locals (in their majority) in KSA are no longer content or if the rulers are utterly incompetent, they will eventually be removed like 100's of times before in recorded history regardless of dynasty, rulers, individuals etc.

My overall main interest is the stability, unity and PROGRESS (on all key fronts) of the Arab world and Muslim world (in an ideal world but I do not see that happening anytime soon) and anyone that is able to deliver this/work towards such goals, I will support them irregardless of sect, religion, politics etc. even though I have my own personal opinions on those fronts but they are just that and completely irrelevant if the overall goals/visions are being worked towards.

Would you say the GCC countries have some leverage over the US?

More than most (if not all Muslim nations) by virtue of our economic, strategic etc. relevance (only economically relevant part of the Muslim world together with Turkey and Indonesia) but overall it is a drop in the ocean compared to the overall/combined power of the US/West/israel. No point denying this.

For starters we need to develop nuclear weapons and delivery systems that can target every single spot on earth. Only this way will Arab/Muslim blood no longer be cheap.

 

[Mobius]

@_Arabia_

Some questions for you:

a) What is stopping the GCC countries from closing their air bases to the US?

Is it the question is why the GCC countries should stop providing air bases to the US, and that Palestine is not their responsibility?

b) What is stopping the GCC countries ending financial relations with the US (and pivoting to other countries more like China, Russia)?

c) What is stopping Saudi Arabia to make peace with the Houthis?

d) Do you think the Houthis are terrorists, and do you want them to be defeated?

e) Do you think Hamas are terrorists?

f) Honestly, would you prefer the defeat of Iran or Israel?

These Arabs have got so much camel meat stuck in their brain and a veil of hummus covering their eyes, that they are incapable of thinking strategically.
They say they can do nothing ahead of the mighty US empire whilst feeding them and their war machine trillions in petro dollars.
Like I said multiple times before, if Pakistan provides the nuclear umbrella (which it will), then all that is needed is the will from the Arabs to listen to Allah's command and help the oppressed and bare any consequence. Do they no longer believe in Allah's help? A US empire occupied in the Middle East would mean China & Russia would have a huge opening and will surely provide help where needed with weapons supply. Furthermore, an Airspace, Sea route, Oil embargo would bring the states to the brink of collapse. The collective unit of OIC would decimate Israel which would come at a cost, but boy oh boy would ot be a cost worth paying. But Alas, none of this will happen as the destruction of the Arabs is propheised....why? Because these jackels in power compromised Islam by making friendly relations with the Zionists, gave them preferential treatment, provided oil, integrated in with their economic system based on Usary and to this day say Marhaba to the child killers. In other words, the Arabs are too far down the rabbit hole and there is no turning back now....and of course, it's their own doing for repeatedly violating the Lords command.

 

[_Arabia_]

These Arabs have got so much camel meat stuck in their brain and a veil of hummus covering their eyes, that they are incapable of thinking strategically.
They say they can do nothing ahead of the mighty US empire whilst feeding them and their war machine trillions in petro dollars.
Like I said multiple times before, if Pakistan provides the nuclear umbrella (which it will), then all that is needed is the will from the Arabs to listen to Allah's command and help the oppressed and bare any consequence. Do they no longer believe in Allah's help? A US empire occupied in the Middle East would mean China & Russia would have a huge opening and will surely provide help where needed with weapons supply. Furthermore, an Airspace, Sea route, Oil embargo would bring the states to the brink of collapse. The collective unit of OIC would decimate Israel which would come at a cost, but boy oh boy would ot be a cost worth paying. But Alas, none of this will happen as the destruction of the Arabs is propheised....why? Because these jackels in power compromised Islam by making friendly relations with the Zionists, gave them preferential treatment, provided oil, integrated in with their economic system based on Usary and to this day say Marhaba to the child killers. In other words, the Arabs are too far down the rabbit hole and there is no turning back now....and of course, it's their own doing for repeatedly violating the Lords command.

Yes, all 550 million Arabs are devils and rest of the Muslim world are saints. We heard your boring story 1 billion times before.

Now answer me, what stops Pakistan from sharing its nuclear weapons with Arabs, if you pretend to care this much? Or what stops Pakistan from attacking Israel/US? Or other Muslims for that matter? You want Arabs to commit collective suicide while you sit in the UK behind your computer screen writing nonsense and making politics/racial obsessions out of a tragedy in Palestine/Gaza? Like most other users here from what I have noticed. Hence my points about the utter joke of the "Muslim world". A great example out of millions.

 

[LeGenD]

Would you say the GCC countries have some leverage over the US?

To some extent, yes.

 

[Mobius]

Yes, all 550 million Arabs are devils and rest of the Muslim world are saints. We heard your boring story 1 billion times before.

Now answer me, what stops Pakistan from sharing its nuclear weapons with Arabs, if you pretend to care this much? Or what stops Pakistan from attacking Israel/US? Or other Muslims for that matter? You want Arabs to commit collective suicide while you sit in the UK behind your computer screen writing nonsense and making politics/racial obsessions out of a tragedy in Palestine/Gaza? Like most other users here from what I have noticed. Hence my points about the utter joke of the "Muslim world". A great example out of millions.

Pakistan will happily assist like it has done during previous Israel-Arab wars. But the initial collective will must be made by the Arabs first. Unfortunately, they sit idle watching a genocide whilst still hosting US bases and investing billions.
If there is one thing I agree on with you, it is that the Muslim World is indeed a joke.....but the blame for this largely sits with the bogus state of Saudi which used the OIC to subdue other Muslim states to retain its own dominion. God blessed Saudi with oil. And rather than use this for good, you choose to do deals with the Zionists and thus you betrayed God. Now you will bare the consequences when the War becomes regional and the resistance faction you watched genocided will no longer be there to help you.

 

[unconventional]

A)

Am I the spokesman of GCC states or any state for that matter? There are no US or foreign bases in KSA.

The few US military bases in the GCC are located far from Israel and play no role whatsoever in the current conflict for the reasons that I already stated. Nor has this anything to do with any of my main points. Israel enjoyed immunity/total US/Western support for DECADES long before there was 1 single US/foreign base anywhere in the Arab world.

When I openly and harshly criticize Muslims/Muslim world, that includes everyone and every leadership as a whole. The GCC are not immune in this regard. Nor is the GCC even one single bloc. For starters, look at the political differences (sounds familiar, ah?). Just look at the KSA-UAE disagreements which are huge foreign policy wise. From Libya to Sudan to Yemen next door. To Syria. List is very long.

B) Ignorant comment with all due respect when the same GCC has the strongest (BY FAR) financial relations with China, Russia, India etc. of any Muslim nation BY FAR. As well as strategic relations overall. For instance in terms of militarily cooperation, the strategic military ties that KSA has enjoyed with China since the late 1980's are only second to Pakistan in the entire Muslim world. Look no further than the ongoing military projects (uranium excavation within KSA, the extremely close and expanding ballistic/missile cooperation, drones and much more).

C) You have been sleeping or what? There have been no active conflict between KSA and the 32 year old Houthi cult for years. A better question, what stops the 32 year old Houthi cult from working towards Yemeni unity and stop their hegemonic ambitions on behalf of Yemenis when the majority do not support them? Who gave them the right to start the Yemeni civil war in 2014 and as a consequence turn Yemen into a failed nation? Who gives them the right to hold the Zaydi population in northwestern Yemen as hostages now? Why are they saints in your view?

D) I consider them an armed 32 year old cult that has nothing to do with Yemen (millennia old history), 1350 years of Zaydi history. I believe that Yemen would be in a far better place without them and ANY other militias. I don't support rag tag militias that operate outside of state control. This is something that only occurs in failed and divided states. So no, like most sane Yemenis, I don't think civil wars are a good thing, outside meddling nor militias.

Imagine if there were parallel militias/armies during the Rashidun, Umayyad, Abbasid, Fatimid, Ottoman etc. eras. Or in Pakistan. You probably would not like to see that. Naturally. But honestly, I stopped caring. If people (locals) want to live in a failed state controlled by khat addicted incompetent lot, it is their choice and problem.

E) Not sure if a serious question. Of course not. It is a legitimate resistance group made up by mostly patriotic Palestinians and Muslims. Not comparable to what Houthis have done within their own country since 2014. Anyway it is not my interest or prerogative to tell locals anywhere who should be ruling them or who they should be supporting. If Gazans are content with Hamas and want to be ruled by them for another 19 years, they are free to believe that. Similarly I don't care about outsiders opinions about who rules KSA. If/when locals (in their majority) in KSA are no longer content or if the rulers are utterly incompetent, they will eventually be removed like 100's of times before in recorded history regardless of dynasty, rulers, individuals etc.

My overall main interest is the stability, unity and PROGRESS (on all key fronts) of the Arab world and Muslim world (in an ideal world but I do not see that happening anytime soon) and anyone that is able to deliver this/work towards such goals, I will support them irregardless of sect, religion, politics etc. even though I have my own personal opinions on those fronts but they are just that and completely irrelevant if the overall goals/visions are being worked towards.


More than most (if not all Muslim nations) by virtue of our economic, strategic etc. relevance (only economically relevant part of the Muslim world together with Turkey and Indonesia) but overall it is a drop in the ocean compared to the overall/combined power of the US/West/israel. No point denying this.

For starters we need to develop nuclear weapons and delivery systems that can target every single spot on earth. Only this way will Arab/Muslim blood no longer be cheap.

a) There are 5 US military bases in Saudi Arabia:

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The GCC airbases are not far away from the conflict; they were directly used by the US during Iran's Operation True Promise 2.

b) About KSA's relationship with China-Russia; I never said you didn't have close financial relations with them.

What I was talking about was a pivot, to leave the US camp. Do you think you can (or should) do that?

c) If the Houthis are so unpopular in Yemen, then they would be facing the same fate as Hezbollah did in Lebanon. But that doesn't seem to be the case. Why?

e) I have personally interacted with many KSA residents (friends of mine), and they say (like Egypt) that Hamas is a terrorist organization. They are happy when rag tag militias like Hamas and Houthis are defeated by Israel.

 

[The SC]

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Rotman's absence at the palace in the Egyptian capital on Wednesday also marked 46 years since the Egypt–Israel peace treaty was signed in Washington, DC.

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[Persian Gulf]

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[The SC]

Even if the entire Arab world (let alone Muslim world) was ruled by perfect rulers who only made pro-Palestinian moves selfishly (no such thing in this modern world where each country is "in it" on its own), the crux of the matter is that Israel/USA/West has an ENORMOUS militarily, economic, political, media etc. advantage. To the point that it makes the entire Muslim world look like the incompetent lot they are.

Hence the state of the overall Muslim world which is that of disgrace (by large) compared to landmass, population, resources and history.

And as I wrote, if you want to be serious, you need to have AT LEAST military parity with the US/West/Israel. In other words a similar number of nukes and similar delivery systems. Otherwise you are as a sheep before slaughter.

The whole Muslim world and the third world in general are the Gaza of Globalism.. in particular the globalism economy..they are prisoners of it..