JF-17 PFX program

[Gripen9]

The Chinese are presently winding down the J10C program to make way for j31/35 program.

Then with ur permission I too would like to pi$$ in the wind
Our induction of the J10c will not go beyond 2028/2030 as at that point avic will be producing j31/35 n the production of j10 would have stopped completely.
PAF would then be left with no other option but to induct j31....hence the PAF chiefs announcement

Or build J10s ourself under license? As long as engine is available, all other things can be indigenized

 

[hussain0216]

Why production line at Kamra go dormant? it is not making any sense with this choice?

It was weird enough that after JF-17 Block 3, they had to go for J-10, and now they ending the production line. It is quite weird.

It's not going dormant, they still have about 60 JF-17 block 2s to upgrade to block 3 standard

 

[Ak01]

It's not going dormant, they still have about 60 JF-17 block 2s to upgrade to block 3 standard

thats not the production lines job

 

[NGAD IS THE BEST]

China was always interested in this plane. J-31 will have a Naval version it was always part of the plan. Even the pictures of prototype 3 which first emerged are from 2018. You seriously believe that after that China fell sleep and haven't produced a prototype 4 and 5 since then. It's 2024 not 2019. No, your hilarious assumption of unfinished project is based on the fact that they you assume we are not somehow being part of its development. Plus you are assuming that it's no where near completion beccause you have seen pictures of prototype 3 which came way back in 2018. And your final assumption is China is since then sleeping and haven't produced a prototype 4 and 5. China revealed videos of J-20 prototypes weapons testing ten years after those tests were done. By the time China revealed those pictures already several J-20 had been inducted by China.

No you all wrong, read the history first than talk big again there is no J-31 prototypes so far, and you are illogical person, how that's possible that we have a pictures of J35 which is intended for PLAN not for export but we didn't have any pictures of export oriented fighter jet lol

Think before you post

 

[Taimoor]

Until the next time your opponents decide not to back down, I'd like to see how the PAF fairs when it suffers significant losses.

feel free to work on ifs and buts

The fact remains, on both occasions, adversaries were stared down with Pakistan enjoying the superiority in the escalation ladder, by some margin.

 

[Quwa]

thats not the production lines job

They could remanufacture some of the aerostructures and use those to rebuild or structurally upgrade Block-I and Block-IIs. So, that would mean developing a thorough SLEP for the JF-17; perhaps part of PFX?

 

[JamD]

Turkish Companies have their offices in NASTAP. Soon we would officially join them. And don't worry when KAAN will be in our colors INSHALLAH you would have some other doubts than. So if a person has decided to always remain skeptic and always live in denial zone. Nothing absolutely nothing can change that.

When did I say that Kaan wasn't coming? I'm just giving you a more realistic timeline for it. You need to calm down and think clearly my brother.

Why, PAF not happy with the Chinese subsystems and components?

Never said they're unhappy. Chinese systems are very good. It's just that China is now turning into a supplier from a collaborator as their tech progresses to near and beyond the US. And Pakistan has no other options so they have to go with whatever price China sets. So a need to diversify is being felt by the PAF. It makes sense not to be entirely dependent on China for everything.

Why production line at Kamra go dormant? it is not making any sense with this choice?

It was weird enough that after JF-17 Block 3, they had to go for J-10, and now they ending the production line. It is quite weird.

So keep in mind that half of the structure of the JF17 still comes from China. This means PAF can't just unilaterally decide to keep producing more JF17s. An agreement must be signed, money (through loans) must be arranged. Now Pakistan is probably low on money/goodwill for loans because that was spent filling the J10C shaped hole in PAF. Furthermore, China does not operate the JF17 so it has no reason to keep its half the production line open if there are no significant export orders. I think these two factors are responsible for the production line in Pakistan in danger of going dormant.

They could remanufacture some of the aerostructures and use those to rebuild or structurally upgrade Block-I and Block-IIs. So, that would mean developing a thorough SLEP for the JF-17; perhaps part of PFX?

The horizontal stabilizer, aft and center fuselage are still manufactured in China. That knowhow would have to be transferred for new 100% production, for which there is no appetite I think.

As far as SLEP is concerned, Chengdu is best suited to do that. Would they be interested in doing that? What would they ask in return? I don't know. These are tough questions.

 

[Quwa]

When did I say that Kaan wasn't coming? I'm just giving you a more realistic timeline for it. You need to calm down and think clearly my brother.


Never said they're unhappy. Chinese systems are very good. It's just that China is now turning into a supplier from a collaborator as their tech progresses to near and beyond the US. And Pakistan has no other options so they have to go with whatever price China sets. So a need to diversify is being felt by the PAF. It makes sense not to be entirely dependent on China for everything.


So keep in mind that half of the structure of the JF17 still comes from China. This means PAF can't just unilaterally decide to keep producing more JF17s. An agreement must be signed, money (through loans) must be arranged. Now Pakistan is probably low on money/goodwill for loans because that was spent filling the J10C shaped hole in PAF. Furthermore, China does not operate the JF17 so it has no reason to keep its half the production line open if there are no significant export orders. I think these two factors are responsible for the production line in Pakistan in danger of going dormant.


The horizontal stabilizer, aft and center fuselage are still manufactured in China. That knowhow would have to be transferred for new 100% production, for which there is no appetite I think.

As far as SLEP is concerned, Chengdu is best suited to do that. Would they be interested in doing that? What would they ask in return? I don't know. These are tough questions.

Perhaps going turnkey with the JF-17 may be the goal of PFX?

 

[Gripen9]

Perhaps going turnkey with the JF-17 may be the goal of PFX?

If our economic situation was better, I would have rather we go for licensed then indigenized production of J10 with Pak/Turk sub systems and weapons integration.

 

[studsmart]

KAAN is coming but the configuration PAF needs need 6 years minimum
J31 might be faster
PFX -- anyone guess

 

[AsaRad1]

Baykar is setting up a production line to fulfill PAF's future orders. They were begging Turkish Aerospace to open office there (which is from when that slide) but as soon as Baykar stepped in they dumped TA.

What's your opinion on that? Good decision?

 

[Falcon26]

When did I say that Kaan wasn't coming? I'm just giving you a more realistic timeline for it. You need to calm down and think clearly my brother.


Never said they're unhappy. Chinese systems are very good. It's just that China is now turning into a supplier from a collaborator as their tech progresses to near and beyond the US. And Pakistan has no other options so they have to go with whatever price China sets. So a need to diversify is being felt by the PAF. It makes sense not to be entirely dependent on China for everything.


So keep in mind that half of the structure of the JF17 still comes from China. This means PAF can't just unilaterally decide to keep producing more JF17s. An agreement must be signed, money (through loans) must be arranged. Now Pakistan is probably low on money/goodwill for loans because that was spent filling the J10C shaped hole in PAF. Furthermore, China does not operate the JF17 so it has no reason to keep its half the production line open if there are no significant export orders. I think these two factors are responsible for the production line in Pakistan in danger of going dormant.


The horizontal stabilizer, aft and center fuselage are still manufactured in China. That knowhow would have to be transferred for new 100% production, for which there is no appetite I think.

As far as SLEP is concerned, Chengdu is best suited to do that. Would they be interested in doing that? What would they ask in return? I don't know. These are tough questions.

I know it’s difficult to quantify, but how would you compare Chinese EW, avionics technology with the West?

 

[Zarvan]

Perhaps going turnkey with the JF-17 may be the goal of PFX?

Sir keep this picture is mind when it comes to JF-17 PFX program. Look at all the flags. In this picture.

Pakistan, Türkiye, S. Arabia, agree to increase trilateral defense cooperation​

Senior military officials of 3 countries meet in Rawalpindi​

Islam Uddin |09.01.2024 - Update : 09.01.2024

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ISLAMABAD
Pakistan, Türkiye and Saudi Arabia on Tuesday agreed to increase the scope of trilateral defense cooperation.

The second meeting of the Trilateral Defense Collaboration platform was held at the GHQ, the headquarters of Pakistan's army, in the garrison city of Rawalpindi. It was attended by senior military officials from the three nations.

The officials discussed prospective collaboration in defense equipment technologies including research and development, according to the ISPR, Pakistan military's media wing.

"The three sides reaffirmed the importance of combining the intellectual, technical, financial and human resources of the three friendly nations towards the achievement of shared objectives and attainment of self-sufficiency in the defense domain," it said.

The historical "brotherly relations" among the three countries were also acknowledged, and the need to enhance the pace of collaboration in pursuit of common goals was reiterated.

The third meeting of the platform will be held during the World Defense Show in Riyadh next month. The first meeting was also organized in the Saudi capital, in August 2023.

Pakistan, Türkiye, S. Arabia, agree to increase trilateral defense cooperation

Senior military officials of 3 countries meet in Rawalpindi - Anadolu Ajansı

www.aa.com.tr

Keep the above picture and news in mind when it comes to Pakistan JF-17 PFX program and other programs as well in near future.

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[NGAD IS THE BEST]

In your above picture 3rd part is Iranian with Pakistani flag what that's means? Are Iranian also participating/collaborating in in PF-X project or just consider as customer , I don't understand what's the meaning of Iranian flag

 

[JamD]

What's your opinion on that? Good decision?

Good good. It's creating local jobs, local expertise, and transferring lots of tech. It's very good.

I know it’s difficult to quantify, but how would you compare Chinese EW, avionics technology with the West?

I have NO idea so best for me to not comment.