JF-17 - Updates, News & Discussion

[Ibbi32]

iraq are not a threat for israel rn , i don't see Israel attacking iraq . israel might even be happy since iraq can now fight iran or maybe help in shooting drones from iran . also i dont see iraq making a move unless it has been okayed by US .

in the end if you are that over protective of your products then don't sell them .

Iraq currently has its own f-16s but dares not venture out to patrol own airspace agaisnt isreali intruders because they lack mordern bvr missiles and are dependent on us approval. Lack of which has already led to the deterioration of their fleet. If iraq were to acquire mordern fighters esp with pl-15s it would be a great security threat to both us and israel as a non-alligned muslim nation with a strong millitary presence is. If isrealis are daring enough to attack qatar whose stopping them from knocking out iqaf before a threat materializes. I am not opposed to sale i am opposed to unnecessarily involving Pakistan in Middle eastern security matters at such a time

 

[Dalit]

Iraq currently has its own f-16s but dares not venture out to patrol own airspace agaisnt isreali intruders because they lack mordern bvr missiles and are dependent on us approval. Lack of which has already led to the deterioration of their fleet. If iraq were to acquire mordern fighters esp with pl-15s it would be a great security threat to both us and israel as a non-alligned muslim nation with a strong millitary presence is. If isrealis are daring enough to attack qatar whose stopping them from knocking out iqaf before a threat materializes. I am not opposed to sale i am opposed to unnecessarily involving Pakistan in Middle eastern security matters at such a time

It is highly unlikely that Iraq will be allowed to acquire the JF-17. The United States exerts a significant level of control and influence over Iraq's fighter jet acquisition. While Iraq makes the decision to purchase, the US government has the final say on the sale. This must be another friendly country if you ask me.

Also, If Iraq wants to keep flying its current F-16 fleet it won't be easily allowed to purchase another fighter. The US has firm control over spare parts, maintenance, and technical support. It means that Iraq's US-made fighter fleet is operationally dependent on US assistance and approval. Iraq won't risk that.

 

[Ibbi32]

It is highly unlikely that Iraq will be allowed to acquire the JF-17. The United States exerts a significant level of control and influence over Iraq's fighter jet acquisition. While Iraq makes the decision to purchase, the US government has the final say on the sale. This must be another friendly country if you ask me.

If Iraq wants to keep flying its current fleet it won't be easily allowed to purchase another fighter.

The other alternative is if us relaxes restrictions on iraq sale doesnt go through. We saw that with egypt when they started looking at j-10s with pl-15s us finnaly allowed them to buy amraams

 

[Dalit]

The other alternative is if us relaxes restrictions on iraq sale doesnt go through. We saw that with egypt when they started looking at j-10s with pl-15s us finnaly allowed them to buy amraams

I think it isn't the Iraqis that are interested in the JF-17. I would be highly surprised.

 

[Ali_Baba]

The USA will have to approve Iraqs procurement. Iraq is not a proper sovereign country, they are still occupied by the USA for all important things. Ie below from google search.

Following the 2003 invasion, the U.S. Treasury took control of Iraq's oil revenues, and the Iraqi Ministry of Finance must now request funds from the U.S. Treasury, which can be delayed or denied based on U.S. criteria. This control allows the U.S. to influence Iraqi policy, and its financial leverage can be a point of contention.

• Control of oil revenues: The U.S. Treasury manages Iraq's oil revenues, which are held in an account at the Federal Reserve Bank of New York.
• Fund disbursement: The Iraqi Ministry of Finance requests funds from the U.S. Treasury to cover expenses like salaries and basic needs.
• Leverage and political influence: The U.S. can delay or reduce these transfers, which can be used as leverage if Iraq's government does not align with U.S. interests.
• Controversy and sovereignty concerns: This system is controversial and is seen by some as undermining Iraqi sovereignty, especially since Iraq has billions of dollars in oil revenues held in the U.S. account.
• Other forms of aid: The U.S. also provides military and reconstruction aid to Iraq, but this is separate from the control over the country's own oil revenues.

Let’s see if anything is true with regards to Iraq.

 

[TAC]

PAF has ALWAYS scored more kills over india in ALL the wars. PAF's trainings, standards are built over several decades.

Any airforce's standard SOP is to target enemy which is striking missiles into their country. Our pilots would have done this job regardless of who's the CAS. Their decades of trainings, protocols allow them to do their job.

As far as your comment is concerned, do Indian General of 1971 also is a god in India with his murti in mandirs? If not, then I am sure, shooting down half of our kill score would not have iaf's CAS nungi murti in every mandir.

Genuine question because I don’t know the answer for sure, although I’ve heard some give the current CAS credit for it, who pushed to get the 20 J-10’s and PL-15’s? While training and standards are vital, you also need the appropriate weapon system to get the job done. Point taken about 1971 but RSS extremists & their Godi media was not running India at the time.

 

[Raider 21]

ruined is a strong word , lets not take it that far .

It is the right word for the potential leadership that was let go. Shooting down more than 6 jets is what PAF does, not what the air chief is supposed to be glorified for. There are scripts and verbal mentions to add praise for him wherever he goes. He enjoys press and media attention.

 

[hasssanali8998]

It is the right word for the potential leadership that was let go. Shooting down more than 6 jets is what PAF does, not what the air chief is supposed to be glorified for. There are scripts and verbal mentions to add praise for him wherever he goes. He enjoys press and media attention.

i dont know much about the internal politics of paf , but i would use ruined if paf lost jets like iaf

 

[PakShaheen_79]

i wonder when the paf will start posting more about our saviour sidhu saab.

PAF Official press release: Visionary, forward thinking, the man who brought the paf into the era of a ngaf, CAS Zaheer Sidhu has aloo paratha for breakfast

sidhu takes a shit, so on and so forth.

honestly, seeing him plastered everywhere irks me so much, hes such a wannabe dictator its unreal.

Welcome to the club bro

 

[ihussain]

Indian Pilots Closely Observing & Clicking Photos Of Pakistan's JF-17 Thunder At Dubai Airshow 2025​

https://www.freepressjournal.in/ind...pakistans-jf-17-thunder-at-dubai-airshow-2025

 

[Unknown987]

As a courtesy we should have treated them with tea and Pakistani long biscuit (PL15)

 

[Desprado123]

It is 10th times we are selling Thunders to a friendly country despite clearly slowed production rate. It's yet to be determined fully if the Thunders provided to Azerbaijan were freshly produced or given from active fleet of PAF. In such situation, any news of a new order of Thunder must be taken with many pinches of slat.

Many people and experts say that giving own inventory is not possible as it is used one, customized for Pakistan and why would Azharbhijan would be in hurry to go for used one instead of waiting for new while it has signed a peace deal.

Moreover, why we would give up our inventory when know if production is slowed down, facing 2 side of war and we have limited b3 stock.

It is stupid and fool move from both side and it is unlikely.

 

[Yommie]

It is highly unlikely that Iraq will be allowed to acquire the JF-17. The United States exerts a significant level of control and influence over Iraq's fighter jet acquisition. While Iraq makes the decision to purchase, the US government has the final say on the sale. This must be another friendly country if you ask me.

Also, If Iraq wants to keep flying its current F-16 fleet it won't be easily allowed to purchase another fighter. The US has firm control over spare parts, maintenance, and technical support. It means that Iraq's US-made fighter fleet is operationally dependent on US assistance and approval. Iraq won't risk that.

China may have more influence than the US on Iraq. JF-17 for Iraq is a very real possibility. China and Iraq are descended from the earliest civilizations. The US is not.

 

[Michael]

Hmm ... I could swear I once read an interview with a private military & modelling enthusiast in a Chinese magazine who even described how he made them.

Unfortunately the original link is dead and so is the link to the original site gone.

I can only tell you what results I was able to find.

I first used keyword search, and all the results pointed to links from various self-media outlets. These self-media outlets have no credibility, and their articles are complete nonsense, with most articles lacking even the most basic military knowledge.

I then used an image search engine. The results are as follows:

After removing irrelevant information, my analysis yielded the following points:
1. All photos are from the same scene. Most of the images are processed versions of the same original photo. After analysis, there are approximately 2-3 actual original photos (taken from different angles).
2. The background in the photos is a small conference room. Based on its decor style, it matches the typical decor style of a small conference room in a state-owned enterprise. No individual would use this style of decoration in their private setting.
3. There is an LED screen above the projection screen in the background. Some photos show that the screen displays bilingual slogans in both Chinese and English.

The above characteristics indicate that the original source of these photos likely came from a small meeting of a Chinese state-owned enterprise (with foreign participants). It does not fit the characteristics of a private event.

I am only providing an analysis of this specific photograph and will not comment on any other situations.

@Michael , Can you please translate the Chinese text in the bottom right please.

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This text is simply a watermark on the image.
The watermark indicates that the content was published on Tencent's self-media platform"企鹅号" by an author with the ID "兵器次元".

This is worthless.

The information I could find indicates that this photo originally came from Super Base Camp (cjdby.net), a very famous early Chinese military forum. However, that website is now closed, making it impossible to trace further information.

 

[Oscar]

It is the right word for the potential leadership that was let go. Shooting down more than 6 jets is what PAF does, not what the air chief is supposed to be glorified for. There are scripts and verbal mentions to add praise for him wherever he goes. He enjoys press and media attention.

This loss of talent and experience in my view was equal to the Fokker crash - happy to be challenged on that claim.

Keep in mind, much like Zia - current ACM also had a repute of being overall mild mannered and a good “officer”.
But it is generally these mild mannered folks that may be harboring a lot of ambition with its associated insecurities and grudges.

PAF has had this before with ACM Chaudhry - to current ACM credit at he least he has an “achievement” under his belt, there was little achievement by ACM Chaudhry and he was relieved by Bhutto himself - but not until putting in some serious setbacks for the PAF.

Either way, one hopes there is a honest “machiavelli” of sorts(or many) surrounding him who realize the need of the hour may be to make best of the situation and hopefully ride this out.

Otherwise the pride may not be that long lasting. Regardless of the negatives there is still enough positives in the current ACMs balance to provide hope but recent actions have not been good forbearance.

Allah knows better.