Lebanon-Israel War | 2023-present

We should do the same. Hamas would in past conflicts.

But, ultimately, Hamas and Hezbollah are non-state movements that form a first line of defense for the resistance axis for the region against Israeli radical measures.
Yes, this is true.
It is nations that are capable of fighting this war.
False- any organized, motivated, determined, weaponized group can fight wars. most wars on earth have been nation states against militias so wtf are you talking about?
Egypt, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Turkey, and Iran.
pause.
They are in a league with Israel.
Only Iran is- the rest are ideologically and mentally crippled and controlled by the West, which makes their weapons and soldiers HAVE NO VALUE in a potential conflict against Israel- so wtf do you mean bro?
And nations only can stop Israel.
False- Hezbollah has stopped Israel multiple times already, and Israel signed this ceasefire now to prevent Hezbollah from stopping Israel once and for all- Naim Qassem told us it would take some time and i dunno all the parties that were involved, but they didnt give Hezbollah enough time to "tame this beast" (as Naim Qassem said).
And I'm sure their militaries aren't a joke.
they aren't a joke...ON PAPER only. based on performance and acting when the time for that comes, they are jokes- prove that wrong. Since last fighting ISrael in the 70s and signing treasonous peace deals, Egypt doesn't even know what fighting ISrael means or would be like today.
And are capable of mounting offensives against Israel.
Hezbollah can mount offensives against Israel more than Egypt or any country you mentioned can- they just havent done it yet.
Now if you sit back and relax while US is designing the whole attack plan, then you can be attacked in a aggression to assert dominance like happened in 1967.
Sure, whatever bro.
 
Entity was ripe for some serious double hammering end November/early December.

This is not hindsight speaking but many of us said at the time this was required in order to split the entity and apply MAXIMUM military pressure on it, when the genocide in Gaza was clear to world and Hamas was still relatively intact.

To this day I have no idea why Hezbollah did not go all out as they ended up with the worst of all worlds - a massive loss of senior people, potential loss of a large portion of their heavy rockets and dropping the reason they went to war against the entity in the first place.

Logic never added up to me. :unsure:

Perhaps because it is not a military but a resistance whose sole advantage is asymmetrical.
The larger political aim and going all out is detrimental. Hezbollah shines the most in conjunction with a regular military say Syrian. Besides, you don't want to exhaust that advantage when full blown conflict hasn't even kicked in yet.
It is premature for an asymmetrical resistance group to exhaust its advantage before say state like Iran, who have been working on creating their own asymmetry with the world super power of the time.

US risks losing all of Mideast so it seeks to guide the demon parasite through...

Don't dwell on it though... zion has never and will never keep it's end of the bargain. They'll up the ante as soon as it feels advantageous or just their plain ole selves... shysty!
 
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Is the ceasefire a “save the face” move for israel to withdraw from Lebanon? Failed mission and objectives… 3rd time with Lebanon.
 
The Hezbollah fought bravely, there can be no doubt about it. If anything they have proved that they’re a competent military force.

Iran has gained a lot of respect for its response to the Israelis, as a sovereign nation not to be taken lightly.

On the other hand, if the details of the agreement are true, and if both parties adhere to the terms going forward then:

Israel has achieved its goals of pushing the Hezbollah north of the Litani.

Israel has managed to split the conflict and, while its armed forces replenish, rest and rearm, can focus on Gaza.

It has managed to get some international support for enforcement of its terms in South Lebanon.

This to me suggests that Israel has dominated in this sphere.

There is another nuance. First, it would wrong to say that Israel’s non -occupation of Lebanon suggests it lost. taking over all, even South, of Lebanon was never a strategic objective to begin with.

Second, as far as Iran’s own war (separating that part of the conflict) is concerned, a lot will depend on their upcoming response. Its leaders have spoken publicly about a harsh response to Israel, so whether that happens or not will also be a factor in the strategic evaluation of how this war ended.
Hezbollah will continue to prepare and operate in southern Lebanon, nothing will stop that

This is just another lull

The middle east needs to be free and that can't happen with any Jews remaining, so they need to leave

The Palestinian population is still much younger than the Jew population and growing much faster, the Jews only option is to try and ethnically cleanse the Palestinians as a result this is just the start of a long term conflict
 
Netanyahu has no need for the war, the main agenda of the war was election interference to defeat Biden, then to defeat Harris.

Weeks after the election, Netanyahu wants/accepts a cease-fire.
 
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Sleepy Joe plays dumb:

Biden: 'I don't know' if Netanyahu is trying to sway US election​


Smarter Democrats knew the game...

Democrats fear Netanyahu is pushing his Middle East war to influence the US election​


The mass deaths were to anger the public in America and blame Biden. And the majority of Arab Americans fell for the Netanyahu ploy.
 
Congratulations, your anger was to help these two buddies:

Netanyahu uses Trump in election campaign poster​


PM posts massive picture alongside US president, with the slogan, ‘Netanyahu, in a different league,’ as polls show newcomer Benny Gantz closing in​



By ToI Staff 3 February 2019, 11:29 am


Likud billboard on the side of the busy Ayalon highway in Tel Aviv, February 3, 2019. The title reads 'Netanyahu, in a different league.' (Courtesy)
Likud billboard on the side of the busy Ayalon highway in Tel Aviv, February 3, 2019. The title reads 'Netanyahu, in a different league.' (Courtesy)



Knowingly or not, US President Donald Trump has been recruited to the Israeli election campaign, appearing alongside Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu on a large billboard Sunday visible to tens of thousands of drivers during rush hour on Tel Aviv’s Ayalon highway.

The poster from Netanyahu’s ruling Likud Party shows the two leaders shaking hands under the headline “Netanyahu, in a different league,” with “The Likud” at the bottom. The slogan likely refers to Netanyahu’s close relationship with Trump, who in 2018 fulfilled an election promise and moved the American embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem. That move was widely praised by the Jewish parties across Israel’s normally very partisan political spectrum.

Despite the roller coaster of Israeli politics and numerous criminal investigations into his activities, Netanyahu had been perennially ranked in public opinion polls as the people’s choice for prime minister by a wide margin.


However, that changed recently when former Israel Defense Forces chief of staff Benny Gantz tossed his hat in the ring for the April 9 national elections.



A picture taken on February 3, 2019 in Tel Aviv shows a giant election billboard of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and US President Donald Trump shaking hands. The writing on the billboard reads “Netanyahu, in another league.” (Photo by JACK GUEZ / AFP)

Polls taken after Gantz’s maiden speech on January 29 showed his Israel Resilience party closing in on Netanyahu’s Likud ahead of the elections, though still six to nine seats behind. Potentially of more significance, a Channel 12 poll showed that a Gantz-headed alliance with the fellow centrist Yesh Atid party would win 35 seats to the Likud’s 30. In such a scenario, Gantz could be well-placed to become prime minister.

 
None of American terrorists has helped Israelis like Biden.
So imagine what will do Trump.

Israel truce have the exact timing to wait for Uncle Trump.

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If Biden has given more military aid to Israel, it's just because Gaza war was in Biden administration time.
But Trump would have given a lot more.
 
These groups are actually Muslim brotherhood not ISIS.
They never showed up to help Muslim brotherhood Hamas but attacked HZ positions two days prior to the peace deal.
Well, syria is particular cluster **** and catch 22 for Hezbollah, either side with inept and stupid regime or confront opposition on sectarian terms.
 
You can't compare a STATE to a irregular militia

If you said USA and Al Qaeda were in a war and after months of a LAND WAR, a ceasefire had been agreed

You would say wait a minute a STATE has just agreed to a ceasefire with a militia after months of fighting and it was completely stuck on the battlefield and it's only success came dropping bombs on cities and areas without any air defences


Hezbollah has been exceptional,
The pressure on Israel to protect the Lebanese population from random Israeli bombs however was great
You absolutely can compare them, their functions, their operational roles...etc.

Besides, Hezbullah acted as more of a conventional army during this war, directly confronting Israeli forces from entrenched positions. They didn't send out independent kill teams like other militias, as they were purely concentrated on conventional defense.

I don't really get your point? How does this contradict anything I've said?
 
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The Arabs are neither weak, divided nor subjugated and pacified in the ME..get your facts right..

The fighting in Gaza and Lebanon was by Arab fractions belonging to the Iranian
politics in the region..the Arabs did what they could to stop the bloodshed but in reality the issue was/is between the US and Iran in the region..even Israel is nothing but a card in the hand of the US to play ME politics by extension..
The Arab states in the region did not even prevent supplies going to Israel from their territory for a single day. All they did at best was just talk in support of the Palestinians. What are you going on about?
 
Israel left a parting gift in Lebanon.
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Imo, I personally viewed him as the problem. Politically indecisive and incompetent when it comes to Israel. He was good for the movement's social cohesion internally and with the Lebanese social fabric.

He didn't use Hezbollah's military tools effectively. Instead allowed Israel to progressively chip away at their military capabilities until come September for the widescale attack that was intended to pressure them to withdraw from the conflict.

Because of this, Israeli's had escalation dominance over much of the conflict. And got to approach the conflict on their own terms and time table. Which is a big failure for Hezbollah and whomever was advising them.

Whoever is in charge now can see how badly mismanaged it all was, and has domestic pressure from allies in Lebanese government but also his own base that were displaced and not comfortable in all of Lebanon. The Israeli ground invasion was advancing to the next stage. The opportunity for 1701-like proposal was best case scenario and they took it. To secure their future in Lebanon and to conduct an entire audit and performance review of the organization.
Good analysis.

I would add a few points:

(1) IDF remains inside Lebanon with 20,000-60,000 troops for probably most of the next 60 days. The idea they can just move troops to Gaza immediately is not true.

(2) We already saw large scale return of Lebanese civilians to the south, including Hezbollah members. It will be practically impossible for Israel to fully remove Hezbollah from the south; Hezbollah is part of the fabric of south Lebanon. That said, the days of Hezbollah watch posts or patrols on the border are gone.

(3) Hezbollah's heavy missile base was always in the Beqaa mountains. Even until the last days of the war we saw footage of those underground bases operating normally. Strategic infrastructure in the Beqaa was not severely degraded, though the bigger challenge will be restocking supplies, as Israel will be keen to use this opportunity to proactively prevent this.

(4) Overall, c. 4000 Lebanese people were killed. If we assume 2000 were Hezbollah members and 2000 were civilians, this is not a crippling blow to Hezbollah, even if we assume another 5,000-10,000 were injured. Despite the intensity of the war, Hezbollah casualties were relatively moderate compared to Gaza.

(5) Although the key decisions were flawed, and the new leadership had to walk back Sayed Nasrallah's promises, Hezbollah still did manage to force 60,000-100,000 Israels to flee their homes throughout the war. Only a diplomatic solution enabled them to return. Israel's ground invasion did not manage to capture Khiam or other towns captured in 2006, even after a full year of carpet bombing the south.

And I end with some happy news: 17 Hezbollah members who the leadership had lost communication with for over a month, and had declared them to be martyrs, were found to be alive and well, and they were inside a Lebanese border town that Israel claimed it 'controlled'. They never fled or ran away, even under the worst circumstances.
 

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