Makkah Joint Defense Agreement: Turkey, Saudi Arabia, and Pakistan, news & updates

[Watandar]

Iran, despite much lesser AD capabilities than Pakistan, has reduced the attacking air force jets to fire from a distance. Pakistan is certain to work with China and Saudi Arabia to strengthen Pakistan's deployed forces in Saudi Arabia. I am not a military hardware guy but let's discuss this IF Israel dares another Qatar like attack on Saudi Arabia.

Pakistani AD's performance in the 88 hour conflict with India was mediocre. You think this AD will defeat an Israeli attack with this magical Chinese/Saudi assistance ?

Why would Israel attack an investor anyway ? I have highlighted the indirect financial partnerships Saudi Arabia is pursuing with rich Jewish-Americans, money which finds its way to Israel.

Israelis were pissed at Qatar because it gives a home to the Hamas political bureau and Al Jazeera's coverage of Palestine is sometimes sympathetic. Saudis don't do this.

 

[Meengla]

What value can Egypt offer ?
No money
No military Industry - technology
No greater military power than them

The moment Egypt senses Uncle Sam has truly left the Middle East, Egypt is likely to turn to its pre Camp David Accord era; the population of Egypt is already very hostile to Israel.

 

[hydrabadi_arab]

This agreement would be nothing but dead weight when India attacks Pakistan, these two fkers will try their best to cuck our response, this will add further layers of centralization before we respond to India, fk the duffer who thought this is a good idea, I mean what we get the Saudis and Turks get a nuclear umbrella what do we get? Fking nothing.

Pakistan doesn't need anyone to protect itself against India.

What Pakistan is looking for is investment by SA to stabilized its economy. Some extra $ for JV in military tech to not be reliant on China in future.

 

[hussain0216]

DONT THINK SMALL

Change comes over time

At this point in time their are many questions and limitations, how will this work? What happens is that country attacks??


Blah blah blah

Patience!!!!!!!

Make a plan of action
Work out what your problems or bottle necks are
Identify weaknesses
Identify funding
Seek to address the weaknesses
MOVE FORWARD


It's not rocket science


This may take months, years and decades to really bloom as an alliance, by then others will join

The more time we waste the longer it will take


All countries involved have been in discussions for a few years now



Turkey is advancing, Pakistan has multiple programs, Saudi and the GCC have funds

Turkey can guide and pull the Turkic world
Saudi can do the same for the Arab world
Pakistan has superb relations with China and multiple countries

Iran is NOT THE TARGET
If anything Iran needs to bought onboard and inside



The Muslim world controls
MAKOR CHOKE POINTS
GEO STRATEGIC LOCATIONS
HAS MASSIVE UNTAPPED RESOURCES
The world's fastest growing population with a low average age

Just because we have problems, doesn't mean you dream small and accept your fate


Plan and change
Crush our enemies both internal and external

Let's get going

 

[Meengla]

Pakistani AD's performance in the 88 hour conflict with India was mediocre. You think this AD will defeat an Israeli attack with these magical Chinese/Saudi assistance ?
Why would Israel attack an investor anyway ? I have highlighted the indirect financial partnerships Saudi Arabia is pursuing with rich Jewish-Americans, money which finds its way to Israel.

Right, the Pakistan ADs were not up to par against India's massive arsenal of hypersonic missiles. But you forget how tiny Israel is and how vulnerable it is to whatever Pakistan will be able to throw at it. Also, as I said, Pakistani military presence and capabilities are going to increase in Saudi Arabia with the Saudi money and the Chinese help.
Pakistan should not worry too much about Israel beyond the Israeli sabotage, terrorism, and espionage in Pakistan with the help of India.
As to you bringing Jared Kushner and the financial angle: Surprised that a mature member like you give so much importance to financial transactions which often benefit both parties and can't compare with the stakes like sovereignty and trillions at stake.

 

[iron shrapnel]

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[El Sidd]

What value can Egypt offer ?

No money
No military Industry - technology
No greater military power than them

Stop picking on Imhotep.

Egypt is not being attacked by a sovereign country just like Turkey is not facing any external conflict.

Pakistan has been attacked by 2 western and 1 eastern country in past 2 years. Saudi Arabia has been attacked from 3 sides repeatedly.

 

[Watandar]

Right, the Pakistan ADs were not up to par against India's massive arsenal of hypersonic missiles. But you forget how tiny Israel is and how vulnerable it is to whatever Pakistan will be able to throw at it. Also, as I said, Pakistani military presence and capabilities are going to increase in Saudi Arabia with the Saudi money and the Chinese help.
Pakistan should not worry too much about Israel beyond the Israeli sabotage, terrorism, and espionage in Pakistan with the help of India.
As to you bringing Jared Kushner and the financial angle: Surprised that a mature member like you give so much importance to financial transactions which often benefit both parties and can't compare with the stakes like sovereignty and trillions at stake.

Jared Kushner is a proxy of Israel. His family is so close to Israeli elites that Mr Netanyahu has often stayed at the Kushner home in his US visits.

The Saudi deals with Kushner, are in effects deals with Israel. So yes those financial deals are of mutual benefit, and in this case, between Saudi Arabia and Israel. I don't know why you keep dismissing this as a minor issue and pretending that Saudi Arabia and Israel are hostile parties that may potentially get into a conflict.

This pact has nothing to do with Israel, else it would have been strongly opposed by the US.

 

[El Sidd]

yes , in marvel parallel universe, have a good day.

Speaking of parallel universes, Operation Sindoor is an ongoing Indian military operation against Pakistan. Government of India insists along with their military and political institutions that the military operation has only been paused for strategic reasons and the ceasefire brokered by USA is temporary.

Why do you Nefertaris want to get involved in Mahabharata?

 

[the vicious kind]

PAF re-fuel's over Iraq and then drop munitions on Israel ? low flying cruise missiles, ABM's ??? what magical thinking is this ? Pakistan does not have these capabilities.

I don’t know what rock you’ve been living under, but the PAF was already operationally deployed in the Middle East. The Saudi Defence Ministry itself confirmed that Pakistani fighter and support aircraft were deployed to King Abdulaziz Air Base under the bilateral defence agreement.

In fact, it established an air corridor near the Saudi–UAE border using aerial refuellers and AWACS support, and the deployment was covered by multiple media outlets.

 

[MMM-E]

Stop picking on Imhotep.

Egypt is not being attacked by a sovereign country just like Turkey is not facing any external conflict.

Pakistan has been attacked by 2 western and 1 eastern country in past 2 years. Saudi Arabia has been attacked from 3 sides repeatedly.

Turkiye has been fighting alone in an asymmetric wars against multi national threats in Syria , Libya , Azerbaijan and Eastern Mediterranean since 2013

-- Turkiye did 3 military operation in Syria against Israel-France backed PKK-YPG
(Israel and Turkiye are engaged in a power struggle over Syria)

-- Turkiye almost fought Iran+Russia in Syria in 2019
-- Turkiye almost fought Greece+France in the Eastern Mediterranean in 2020


today there is a military alliance (Greece+France) against Turkiye
on the other hand, Israel joined this alliance against Turkiye

and , After Turkiye's support for Pakistan, India openly began supporting Greece and Armenia against Turkiye, and it has very good relations with Israel.

Turkiye could suddenly find itself facing 4 countries in the Eastern Mediterranean (Greece, France, Israel, and India).

 

[Desert]

What value can Egypt offer ?

No money
No military Industry - technology
No greater military power than them

Yes , we are so poor and weak , good luck mr turkey in this alliance , just you need to pay money when your ships cross suez canal or else no crossing.

 

[RocketLaw]

DONT THINK SMALL

Change comes over time

At this point in time their are many questions and limitations, how will this work? What happens is that country attacks??


Blah blah blah

Patience!!!!!!!

Make a plan of action
Work out what your problems or bottle necks are
Identify weaknesses
Identify funding
Seek to address the weaknesses
MOVE FORWARD


It's not rocket science


This may take months, years and decades to really bloom as an alliance, by then others will join

The more time we waste the longer it will take


All countries involved have been in discussions for a few years now



Turkey is advancing, Pakistan has multiple programs, Saudi and the GCC have funds

Turkey can guide and pull the Turkic world
Saudi can do the same for the Arab world
Pakistan has superb relations with China and multiple countries

Iran is NOT THE TARGET
If anything Iran needs to bought onboard and inside



The Muslim world controls
MAKOR CHOKE POINTS
GEO STRATEGIC LOCATIONS
HAS MASSIVE UNTAPPED RESOURCES
The world's fastest growing population with a low average age

Just because we have problems, doesn't mean you dream small and accept your fate


Plan and change
Crush our enemies both internal and external

Let's get going

Unfortunately few people are still in SMALL brains, they can't see full pictures yet :/

Same complaints like a small child.

It will take time to adjust and new development.

 

[Watandar]

I don’t know what rock you’ve been living under, but the PAF was already operationally deployed in the Middle East. The Saudi Defence Ministry itself confirmed that Pakistani fighter and support aircraft were deployed to King Abdulaziz Air Base under the bilateral defence agreement.

In fact, it established an air corridor near the Saudi–UAE border using aerial refuellers and AWACS support, and the deployment was covered by multiple media outlets.

I am well aware of the PAF deployment in Saudi Arabia , which at best can destroy some slow drones and provide radar coverage, but isn't capable of anything beyond that.

I am responding to fanciful ideas about this PAF potentially flying to Israel from Saudi, dropping bombs, launching fictitious cruise missiles and ABM's, as well as defending from Israeli Air Force or Israeli cruise/ABM attacks on Saudi Arabia or Turkey.

Utter nonsense.

 

[Desert]

No one is attacking other Muslim states, what we need is change and an alliance that can start to make a difference

This is the start

Egypt at the moment is a weak link in the Arab and Muslim world, that needs to change

yes they do attack Iran , yes gulf countries is a forward base for americans to attack iran , we have seen the himars launches from kuwait and bahrain , we have seen the american bases in all gulf countries , we have seen the downed f-15 and f-18 that belongs to americans in kuwait.

man , do you think we are blind?