Melaca strait China's vulnerability? Is it true or Myth?

[Yasser76]

Habibi, you wrote some garbage and ended with houthis and somalians having more control than indian navy.

You know, every time a Chinese submarine enters indian ocean, they are tracked by more than 1 countries. India obviously tracks them and shares the info with the QUAD. And vice versa.

Do you know, indian navy has deployed a fleet to counter the somalians and is a part of international coalition against houthis? India actually sends ships to help the coalition.

I bet you don't know that.

Listen Habibi, all that international garbage, we are the biggest power of the Indian ocean region apart from the US Navy.

Tell me something, Habibi, if indian navy barricades the pakistani coast line in a war, would China send a fleet of warships to help Pakistan?

Serious question, Habibi. Ta da.

India can track subs you say?

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[Amir Mahajane]

We did not have Chinese subs or missiles in 2019. You hunted a single Agosta for 21 days.

Indian navy strength on this forum and in reality seems to be two very different things

Yes. Last time I checked indian navy has been posting it's operations on this website.

In 2019? This is the fag end of 2024.

 

[Yasser76]

Yes. Last time I checked indian navy has been posting it's operations on this website.

In 2019? This is the fag end of 2024.

Sure, and prior to 2019 Indian Navy was still much larger with bigger ships then PN. It showed it struggled with an old PN Agosta. Good luck against the newest Chinese subs.

 

[Amir Mahajane]

India can track subs you say?

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This is 2019. Indian navy has been posting it's operations so far or do you reckon indian navy has stopped tracking subs?

This 1 article means nothing.

 

[Yasser76]

This is 2019. Indian navy has been posting it's operations so far or do you reckon indian navy has stopped tracking subs?

This 1 article means nothing.

They can try tracking subs all they like, just posting a report that it took them 21 days to find one. An old SSK at that. Not a very convincing record of sub operations, especially when PN has released 3 videos after finding IN subs.

Chinese sub fleet is designed to take on the USN. IN will be a practice session for them

 

[Amir Mahajane]

Sure, and prior to 2019 Indian Navy was still much larger with bigger ships then PN. It showed it struggled with an old PN Agosta. Good luck against the newest Chinese subs.

Indian navy has always had bigger ships than pn. Chinese subs are the miracle subs. They can't be tracked. Indian navy will track them and not release the info. And all you can do is use that 2019 article which was a disinfo article anyways.

 

[Yasser76]

Indian navy has always had bigger ships than pn. Chinese subs are the miracle subs. They can't be tracked. Indian navy will track them and not release the info. And all you can do is use that 2019 article which was a disinfo article anyways.

"Indian navy will track them and not release the info"

Whatever makes you feel better.

 

[Amir Mahajane]

They can try tracking subs all they like, just posting a report that it took them 21 days to find one. An old SSK at that. Not a very convincing record of sub operations, especially when PN has released 3 videos after finding IN subs.

Chinese sub fleet is designed to take on the USN. IN will be a practice session for them

Chinese sub fleet is Chinese. Pakistani sub fleet is pakistani. You don't seem to know the difference. Do you need to be told that sucking Chinese ones don't get you extra points when it comes to Chinese armaments. You get what you pay for. Chinese will not give you extra anything that doesn't help Chinese themselves. Do you know that?

 

[Amir Mahajane]

"Indian navy will track them and not release the info"

Whatever makes you feel better.

No, last I checked indian navy was posting sub hunting info on defence forums.

 

[lightning f57]

I am not talking about free reign during war.... I am just pointing out the fact that if it comes to who has got more access to Arabian sea then we India have more access to Arabian sea as we have larger coastline with this sea along with island like Lakshadweep on the gate of the Arabian sea....

This does not mean a free reign during war but definitely an advantage as Pak is situated on the upper corner of this sea and all Pakistan bound cargoes (except cargoes coming or going from Gulf) will come from and go towards the south of the Arabian sea and India's western coastline is expanded towards the far south of this sea where it meets to Indian ocean....

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Your missing the point, Gwadar is Chinas bypass to the Malaca straits, India can keep its navy in arabian sea but to get close to Gwadar will be deadly.

 

[NGAD IS THE BEST]

Guys ignore the @Amir Mahajane he is a egoistic nonsense troll in making oh I forgot he already a troll best way to aviation him to put him in your ignore list

 

[Michael]

Habibi, you wrote some garbage and ended with houthis and somalians having more control than indian navy.

You know, every time a Chinese submarine enters indian ocean, they are tracked by more than 1 countries. India obviously tracks them and shares the info with the QUAD. And vice versa.

Do you know, indian navy has deployed a fleet to counter the somalians and is a part of international coalition against houthis? India actually sends ships to help the coalition.

I bet you don't know that.

Listen Habibi, all that international garbage, we are the biggest power of the Indian ocean region apart from the US Navy.

Tell me something, Habibi, if indian navy barricades the pakistani coast line in a war, would China send a fleet of warships to help Pakistan?

Serious question, Habibi. Ta da.

Your IQ is worrying. You haven't figured out the topic of discussion and controversy at all.

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In the submarine field, the default rule worldwide is that any combat that occurs underwater is tacitly considered non-existent. This means that in any maritime area, once your submarine is detected underwater, even if attacked, you can only silently endure and not view it as an act of war.

When detected and subjected to non-lethal attacks, surfacing and raising the national flag is considered surrender.

If you enter the enemy's core area undetected, surfacing and raising the national flag is considered a demonstration.

When US submarines suffer significant losses in the South China Sea, they can only claim to have collided with seamounts. They silently tow them back for repairs.

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In the maritime area you claim belongs to India, India must be capable of implementing effective control.

Effective control means that any warship entering this area must be immediately tracked, monitored, warned, and driven away by the Indian Navy. Remember, it is every time, not just an occasional encounter with a simple greeting.

The PLA Navy regularly passes through the Bay of Bengal, the Indian Ocean, and the Arabian Sea, and we have never heard of encountering Indian Navy control (occasional encounters are not within this scope). We have also not heard of naval vessels from other countries encountering Indian Navy control.

If Indian Navy warships, regardless of the time or size of the fleet, enter the area claimed by China within the South China Sea's nine-dash line, they will immediately be tracked and monitored by the PLA Navy. If they approach China's South China Sea reefs and islands, they will be immediately warned and driven away. This is what is called "effective control."

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Chinese and American submarines engage in confrontations in various maritime areas worldwide, with wins and losses; this is normal military activity.

According to your logic, does this mean that China and the US can claim these maritime areas as their own???

 

[Amir Mahajane]

Your IQ is worrying. You haven't figured out the topic of discussion and controversy at all.

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In the submarine field, the default rule worldwide is that any combat that occurs underwater is tacitly considered non-existent. This means that in any maritime area, once your submarine is detected underwater, even if attacked, you can only silently endure and not view it as an act of war.

When detected and subjected to non-lethal attacks, surfacing and raising the national flag is considered surrender.

If you enter the enemy's core area undetected, surfacing and raising the national flag is considered a demonstration.

When US submarines suffer significant losses in the South China Sea, they can only claim to have collided with seamounts. They silently tow them back for repairs.

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In the maritime area you claim belongs to India, India must be capable of implementing effective control.

Effective control means that any warship entering this area must be immediately tracked, monitored, warned, and driven away by the Indian Navy. Remember, it is every time, not just an occasional encounter with a simple greeting.

The PLA Navy regularly passes through the Bay of Bengal, the Indian Ocean, and the Arabian Sea, and we have never heard of encountering Indian Navy control (occasional encounters are not within this scope). We have also not heard of naval vessels from other countries encountering Indian Navy control.

If Indian Navy warships, regardless of the time or size of the fleet, enter the area claimed by China within the South China Sea's nine-dash line, they will immediately be tracked and monitored by the PLA Navy. If they approach China's South China Sea reefs and islands, they will be immediately warned and driven away. This is what is called "effective control."

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Chinese and American submarines engage in confrontations in various maritime areas worldwide, with wins and losses; this is normal military activity.

According to your logic, does this mean that China and the US can claim these maritime areas as their own???

TL;DR

what's your point?

 

[Pingle]

Your missing the point, Gwadar is Chinas bypass to the Malaca straits, India can keep its navy in arabian sea but to get close to Gwadar will be deadly.

Gwadar can never be able to completely replace malacca strait.... you can't compare the volume ships can carry on the water it can never be matched by road transportation....

Yes getting close to Gwadar is risky but during all out war ariel launched Brahmos, storm shadows and many other stand off munitions and submarine launched missiles will be used to make a damage.... off course enemies too can do the same as well as destroy attacking platforms but there is no option during all out war....

My point is more access to Arabian sea is with India and due to geography India is in better position to hault your shipping lines going towards IOR, gulf of Aden or towards malacca as from the point (India's southern tip) Indian navy can do it your navy atleast today mostly lacks range and firepower to come out and open up that blockade and ensure smooth shipping.....

This makes you a semi landlocked nation.... if you blockade India's western coast still India has eastern coast to ensure shipping.... Hence India is a real maritime country......

China too is a semi landlocked country and hence pouring billions on roads in western Asia along with Pakistan.....

 

[Yasser76]

Gwadar can never be able to completely replace malacca strait.... you can't compare the volume ships can carry on the water it can never be matched by road transportation....

Yes getting close to Gwadar is risky but during all out war ariel launched Brahmos, storm shadows and many other stand off munitions and submarine launched missiles will be used to make a damage.... off course enemies too can do the same as well as destroy attacking platforms but there is no option during all out war....

My point is more access to Arabian sea is with India and due to geography India is in better position to hault your shipping lines going towards IOR, gulf of Aden or towards malacca as from the point (India's southern tip) Indian navy can do it your navy atleast today mostly lacks range and firepower to come out and open up that blockade and ensure smooth shipping.....

This makes you a semi landlocked nation.... if you blockade India's western coast still India has eastern coast to ensure shipping.... China too is a semi landlocked country and hence pouring billions on roads in western Asia along with Pakistan.....

In an intense war these supply lines will not matter. once you start lobbing cruise missiles at the Chinese, Indian Armed Forces will be finished. China will have more then enough stored supplies to outlast India, by a very very large margin. Of course Pakistan will help China if requested. India can in no way shape or form in it's current state take on both China and Pakistan. You are now entering into fantasy land talk