Melaca strait China's vulnerability? Is it true or Myth?

Wrong, Pakistan can be used as a complete replacement for Malacca strait for China.
How do you plan to make KKH operable under artillery fire? The route still passes through regions uncomfortably close to Indian positions. 🤔

Even the Chinese positions beyond khunjreb pass in China is difficult mountainous terrain.
 
Listen carefully , if there ever is a war between US and China it will morph into war of civilizations .. ....when push comes to shove all the countries of east Asia including Japan , south Korea and Singapore will either side with China or stay neutral .....Malacca strait is your back yard don't worry about it ....... China shall focus all it's energy on Islamic countries , try to win them over to your side .....
This is delusional. The likes of Japan and SG is already entrenched in the US camp
 
Consider that in a full scale US-China war both nations satellite based surveillance system is knocked out or degraded, they will have to use aircraft based or other traditional intelligence collecting methods to try to see where is the enemy.

The moment Chinese surface strike group enters Malacca strait. They will be monitored by Singapore's, Malaysia's and Indonesia's air force and navy.

The Indonesian air force stationed 2 squadron of fast jets (Hawk 209/F-16) in Pekanbaru, directly facing the Malacca strait (which will soon be replaced by 2 sqn of Rafales) and a naval surveillance squadron in Tanjung Pinang, while on the other side of the Malacca strait, Malaysia's F-18 and Su-30MKM in Butterowrth and Gong Kedak. Not to mention the full strength of the RSAF.

The possibility of these units opening fire first is very dim, next to impossible. But I would bet an entire year's worth of salary that the Chinese movement will be relayed by these fighter units to INDOPACOM forces waiting at the mouth of the Malacca Strait. There will be no way China could somewhat secure the Malacca strait or achieve surprise while sailing in it, not with US forces sortieing from the mouth of the Indian Ocean and constant Indonesian, Malaysian and Singaporean recce flight over their heads. The land based Chinese planes is out of reach once China enters the Malacca strait and with no port to dock, they are vulnerable.

If the Chinese feared that these units will compromise their operation, there's always the option to neutralize them on the ground. But that would drag 2 'neutral' nation into the war and the US planes will fly from those 2 countries.

Also assuming if the Indonesian air force commanders concluded that TNI AU couldn't win aerial onslaught with heavy Chinese naval fighter units and their assets is under threat, they will likely disperse their jets all the way to Australia.

Recently there's an agreement between ID-OZ that would make it possible for Indonesian planes to fly and land from Australian bases and vice versa. and in wartime this would be expanded because situations compel


It is so ridiculous to see posters here saying that the likes of Singapore and Japan will side with China when they are the main enablers of US power in the Indo-Pacific region. In fact I'm willing to say that unlike Indonesia or Malaysia, Singapore will be the most to offer support to any US military operation in the area, from fuel to food to logistics etc
 
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Here is another way for China to protect Straits of Malacca from being blocked. china is now digging the Techo Funan canal that in theory gives access to Gulf of Thailand from Yunnan

The Gulf of Thailand may be the next U.S.-China flashpointBeijing's backing of Cambodian infrastructure could alter regional balance of power.While geopolitical tensions between China and the U.S. have soared in the South China Sea and Taiwan Strait, raising serious fears of war, another important body of water in the Indo-Pacific -- the Gulf of Thailand -- has heretofore remained relatively calm.

That may be set to change in the coming years as Beijing embarks on a series of controversial projects that could inflame the region.On Aug. 5, Cambodian Prime Minister Hun Manet presided over a ceremony to launch the construction of the Funan-Techo Canal project, connecting the landlocked capital, Phnom Penh, to the Gulf of Thailand. If successfully completed, the canal will cut shipping transits through neighboring Vietnam by 70% and boost government revenue by $88 million annually to support Cambodia's socio-economic development.

At the ceremony, Manet noted "through the construction of the historic canal, we are showing a sense of patriotism and national unity."But Cambodian interests clearly are not the only national interests in play. China is funding the $1.7 billion project, and it is set to benefit geostrategically.

For the first time, the canal will grant Beijing access to the Gulf of Thailand directly from China. Because the Mekong River originates in China's Tibetan province, Beijing could sail not just commercial ships, but warships, through Myanmar, Thailand, Laos, and Cambodia and then through the completed Funan-Techo canal and into the Gulf of Thailand.

To be sure, there are good reasons to believe Beijing would struggle to navigate the new canal with its military, to include the numerous Chinese damming projects along the Mekong and the likely reduced water level and flow because of them, as well as the need to blast rapids for deeper draft ships.But none of these challenges are necessarily insurmountable over the longer-term.

This means that China's maritime forces -- whether navy, coast guard or fishing militia -- could leverage their newfound riverine presence to deploy into the region with three key objectives in mind.First, Beijing might try to blunt Washington's uninhibited access to the Strait of Malacca. China's so-called "Malacca Dilemma" posits that the U.S. military might close off this critical strait connecting the Indian and Pacific oceans, thereby choking Beijing off from resources needed to prosecute conflicts over Taiwan or in the South China Sea.A second advantage of the canal project is that it would obviate the need for Chinese maritime forces to sail through the South China Sea and around Indochina to access the Gulf of Thailand. This would not only be quicker but would also limit the chances of adversary forces challenging Chinese deployments.

And finally, the canal would allow China to establish a presence on Vietnam's western flank rather than just to its east in the South China Sea. This could literally be a geostrategic gamechanger as it would reduce the value of Cam Ranh Bay naval base on Vietnam's southeast shoreline as well as Hanoi's recently-built artificial islands in the South China Sea. It would also force Vietnam to make difficult decisions about the allocation of military resources to address the new potential theater to its west.To be sure, China is arguably already achieving some of these military objectives. That's because China now deploys navy ships to Cambodia's Ream Naval Base on the Gulf of Thailand. In 2020, Phnom Penh, with no warning, demolished American buildings there, and then contracted with Beijing to rebuild the base. Upon suspicions that China might plan to deploy forces to its second official overseas base in Cambodia (Djibouti was the first in 2017),

Beijing and Phnom Penh strenuously denied the allegations, with the latter claiming that doing so would be against the Cambodian constitution which forbids foreign military basing on its soil.And yet, for months now, Chinese naval ships have been consistently spotted on a portion of the base. One Cambodian resident of the area said "the Chinese navy doesn't want Cambodian workers and navy to go close to its part [of the base]," suggesting that Beijing's operations there are sensitive.

China's involvement in the Funan-Techo Canal and Ream Naval Base are two primary illustrations of how the Gulf of Thailand may be sliding into greater focus within the context of intensifying U.S.-China great power competition. But there may be others as well.For example, some have argued that Dara Sakor International Airport, which was just completed with Chinese funding, is of potential concern. Dara Sakor is on the Cambodian shoreline and curiously features runways with turning radiuses that could accommodate military-grade aircraft rather than strictly civilian aircraft.

To date, however, there are no additional signs of militarization on the airport.Another longstanding possibility is that China funds the Kra Canal across Thailand's Kra isthmus to connect the Gulf of Thailand and Bay of Bengal. The project is yet to come to fruition, but if or when it does, it could represent yet another way Beijing breaks out of the Malacca Dilemma.Conjecture aside, what we know today is that China is already active militarily in the Gulf of Thailand, and future projects could offer additional opportunities to become further enmeshed there -- offering real geostrategic advantages against the U.S. and Beijing's neighbors.

In the years to come, the U.S. could counter by militarizing the Gulf of Thailand in its own right, but that would be a mistake. Rather, Washington should look to engage with regional nations, including, most importantly, Thailand as a security ally, but also Malaysia, Singapore, Vietnam as close partners, and even Cambodia itself.The goal should be to undermine China's growing military position in the Gulf of Thailand and to ensure that what are today ostensibly commercial projects -- like the Funan-Techo Canal and Dara Sakor -- do not eventually support Chinese military objectives. To be sure, this won't be easy. Most countries are hedging and will seek to avoid appearing as if they are collaborating with the U.S. against China.

Cambodia is actively collaborating with China. Even Thailand will be tough to engage as Bangkok tends to have a softer view of Chinese activities throughout the Indo-Pacific.But regional perceptions could rapidly change if Chinese military assets begin patrolling the Gulf of Thailand or otherwise engage in threatening behavior. In the meantime, the U.S. and its allies and partners should remain vigilant and convey their concerns appropriately.https://asia.nikkei.com/Opinion/The-Gulf-of-Thailand-may-be-the-next-U.S.-China-flashpoint…
China's main issue is to keep its sea lanes opened without and an interruption during war with USA over Taiwan... So how do you plan to stop USA from choking it during the war? Even if you have this newfound Thai Canal???

This Canal is just being built to shorten some 1200 kms of distance normally ships has to pass when travelling through Malacca strait... comparatively Thai canal will offer 1200 kms short route and hence it will be a huge saving in fuel costs of the ships and save the transit time.... Apart from this Thai canal will not give you any strategic advantage where you can avoid getting chocked by USA or allies in case of a war....

Have a look at below map and see the red line showing Thai canal position

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Your Thai canal will straight open in front of near Malacca strait opening and in front of Andaman & Nicobar (India) and hence you are still blockade prone here by USA and allies....

At least do some homework on geography before talking....

Accept China is a semi-landlocked country with only single coastline with too many islands chain obstacle under hostile powers and you lack allies as well...
 
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It is so ridiculous to see posters here saying that the likes of Singapore and Japan will side with China when they are the main enablers of US power in the Indo-Pacific region. In fact I'm willing to say that unlike Indonesia or Malaysia, Singapore will be the most to offer support to any US military operation in the area, from fuel to food to logistics etc

How Singaporeans see themselves in such scenario


 
China's main issue is to keep its sea lanes opened without and an interruption during war with USA over Taiwan... So how do you plan to stop USA from choking it during the war? Even if you have this newfound Thai Canal???

This Canal is just being built to shorten some 1200 kms of distance normally ships has to pass when travelling through Malacca strait... comparatively Thai canal will offer 1200 kms short route and hence it will be a huge saving in fuel costs of the ships and save the transit time.... Apart from this Thai canal will not give you any strategic advantage where you can avoid getting chocked by USA or allies in case of a war....

Have a look at below map and see the red line showing Thai canal position

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Your Thai canal will straight open in front of near Malacca strait opening and in front of Andaman & Nicobar (India) and hence you are still blockade prone here by USA and allies....

At least do some homework on geography before talking....

Accept China is a semi-landlocked country with only single coastline with too many islands chain obstacle under hostile powers and you lack allies as well...
Well with the opening of the canal, China can bring reinforcement into Cambodia which is just across the straits of Malacca. Men, war materials, equipment, etc. Remember China has a naval base in Siem Reap with their radar and EW facilities. And a big airport in Sihanoukville that is civilian but in the war they can be used to base Chinese fighters and jets to hammer any attempt to choke off the straits of Malacca. Use your logic before posting

Heightened concerns​

The unprecedented presence of Chinese navy ships at the Ream Naval Base, which occupies a strategic position near the southern tip of Cambodia close to the South China Sea, is likely to deepen long-standing concerns among US officials that China is seeking a military outpost in the Gulf of Thailand.

Such concerns were already heightened in June last year, when Chinese and Cambodian officials presided together over a ground-breaking ceremony for a project to renovate the port with grant aid from China.

Cambodian officials have repeatedly denied the facility would be used by China as a naval base, insisting the project is in line with Cambodia’s constitution, which bars foreign military bases on its territory. Chinese officials, meanwhile, have described the base as an “aid project” to strengthen Cambodia’s navy and called assertions otherwise “hype” with “ulterior motives.”

For the US, the Chinese-funded expansion at Ream is particularly troubling as it involved the demolishing of a US-funded facility there — a development that served as something of an analogy for Cambodia’s closer ties with Beijing and growing distance from Washington, according to Bradford at the Yokosuka Council.
 
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Well with the opening of the canal, China can bring reinforcement into Cambodia which is just across the straits of Malacca. Men, war materials, equipment, etc. Remember China has a naval base in Siem Reap with their radar and EW facilities. And a big airport in Sihanoukville that is civilian but in the war they can be used to base Chinese fighters and jets to hammer any attempt to choke off the straits of Malacca. Use your logic before posting
India has the ANC, the Andaman Nicober Command. We can base our forces from there and fight it out with the Chinese.
 
India has the ANC, the Andaman Nicober Command. We can base our forces from there and fight it out with the Chinese.
All those bases are within the kill range of Chinese bombers and missiles and they will be gone the minute Indians try to block the Straits of Malacca.

Any watch this video
We examine the impact on the Chinese war economy from a US naval blockade of the Strait of Malacca, and how China might respond to mitigate the impact.Want to support the channel? -
 
All those bases are within the kill range of Chinese missiles and they will be gone the minute Indians try to block the Straits of Malacca. Any watch this video

We examine the impact on the Chinese war economy from a US naval blockade of the Strait of Malacca, and how China might respond to mitigate the impact.Want to support the channel? -
what about the indian missiles that can target the chinese base in Cambodia ? An attack on ANC is an attack on India. It means war. War in Tibet, war in other fronts of the indo china border.

you mean Chinese missiles are a single pill solution for the Indian forces ? Much over confidence or outright trolling!

Those soviet era H-6 bombers with modern chinese avionics will face the Su-30 MKI and Mig-29s and possibly Rafale. It will be an aerial war first, even before the magic pill chinese missiles can be launched. it will take the surprise off. We will be war ready.
 
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what about the indian missiles that can target the chinese base in Cambodia ? An attack on ANC is an attack on India. It means war. War in Tibet, war in other fronts of the indo china border.

you mean Chinese missiles are a single pill solution for the Indian forces ? Much over confidence or outright trolling!
You can try that and see what will come to you! I guess you forgot the lesson in 1962 and this time around China will
march to New Delhi
 
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Singapore is just a red dot on the map try that and you will be gone in a flash!

Personal opinion aside, this is how they see themselves in the grand pictures of things. Will they survive war? That's another matter.
 
Personal opinion aside, this is how they see themselves in the grand pictures of things. Will they survive war? That's another matter.
Blocking the Strait of Malacca is a declaration of war and It will not be localized Chinese troops will swarm through Cambodia and then to Malaysia and Singapore! I guess you guys forgot the lesson of WWII
 
Blocking the Strait of Malacca is a declaration of war and It will not be localized Chinese troops will swarm through Cambodia and then to Malaysia and Singapore! I guess you guys forgot the lesson of WWII
The one who will block the strait of Malacca is either the Americans or Indians. But your movement will be relayed the moment Chinese surface group entered the mouth of the Malacca strait.

The idea of some people here that China could simply come surprise the Americans and 'control' the strait is ridiculous, I sincerely hope they buy a map, even more ridiculous is the idea that Japan and SG is 'all in China camps' when it's clear that is not the case.

Also from Cambodia, you actually needed to pass through Thailand, which will put Bangkok in a hard situation.
 

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