Our India headache - and how to cure it

[hydrabadi_arab]

Yeah we will go there though, we are expanding canal networks because we need to increase irrigation. But even if tomorrow our relationship normalise the Canal system won't be an issue because it'll simply be used for diverting excess water. Also no, we don't eat your salt if you are referring to the fake medicinal salt called pink salt then nobody really uses it dude, it's a niche market. We use common tablesalt it's available in our salt farms.

Stealing water is act of war, Pakistan have made it clear.

 

[lightoftruth]

Stealing water is act of war, Pakistan have made it clear.

How can we steal something that is ours ?

The treaty that calls it yours is no longer in effect.

 

[Master Chief]

How can we steal something that is ours ?

The treaty that calls it yours is no longer in effect.

Lol. Stealing it is what broke the treaty. Do you understand cause and effect? Have a chat with @Vikramaditya1 as he seems to suffer from the same delusions as the rest of your kind.

It's not the first time you have stolen from us btw. This act led to war in the past. It will again.

 

[Master Chief]

Your continuous terrorist attacks in India broke it , kiddo.

Rest are just effects,what Indian water flows in Pakistan , you should be grateful.

India can divert or store whatever amount it can, their is no legal boundation.

Show me in the IWT where it is stated that conflict of any sort or acts of terrorism will invalidate the terms of the Treaty.

Take your time.

 

[lightoftruth]

Show me in the IWT where it is stated that conflict of any sort or acts of terrorism will invalidate the terms of the Treaty.

Take your time.

Vienna Convention on the Law of Treaties.

Article 62 of the VCLT provides that a treaty may be terminated or withdrawn if there has been a fundamental change of circumstances, as noted by India’s former Indus Water Commissioner. India has invoked this provision in its communication to Pakistan’s Ministry of Water Resources, citing “sustained cross-border terrorism” as a fundamental shift that has created “security uncertainties” undermining the very basis on which the Treaty was concluded.

 

[Master Chief]

Vienna Convention on the Law of Treaties.

Article 62 of the VCLT provides that a treaty may be terminated or withdrawn if there has been a fundamental change of circumstances, as noted by India’s former Indus Water Commissioner. India has invoked this provision in its communication to Pakistan’s Ministry of Water Resources, citing “sustained cross-border terrorism” as a fundamental shift that has created “security uncertainties” undermining the very basis on which the Treaty was concluded.

Rubbish.

We fought several actual ARMED CONFLICTS with thousands of casualties since the sIgning of the IWT and no change was requested then. To request this provision now is a simple attempt at manipulation.

This was precisely the mitigation raised during proceedings at The Hague, which was a counternarrative that was accepted by the PCA.

 

[Vikramaditya1]

Stealing water is act of war, Pakistan have made it clear.

Talk less, do more.

Lol. Stealing it is what broke the treaty. Do you understand cause and effect? Have a chat with @Vikramaditya1 as he seems to suffer from the same delusions as the rest of your kind.

It's not the first time you have stolen from us btw. This act led to war in the past. It will again.

Vienna Convention on the Law of Treaties.

Article 62 of the VCLT provides that a treaty may be terminated or withdrawn if there has been a fundamental change of circumstances, as noted by India’s former Indus Water Commissioner. India has invoked this provision in its communication to Pakistan’s Ministry of Water Resources, citing “sustained cross-border terrorism” as a fundamental shift that has created “security uncertainties” undermining the very basis on which the Treaty was concluded.

I stopped pointing these out. Now simply replied with "Yes we did it, because we can". Already made these points with @Master Chief but he's gonna say "have you approached world Bank or Indus water commission to complain about this? Proper mechanism yada yada yada.

 

[PakistanLVR]

Show me in the IWT where it is stated that conflict of any sort or acts of terrorism will invalidate the terms of the Treaty.

Take your time.

I mean if the Indians are claiming that there is terrorism from Pakistans side and thats why the treaty is being cancelled, then let the international body rule on it and it will be in Pakistans favor given that the measly “evidence” so far provided wasn’t taken serious by anyone who matters.

When that occurs, I pray and hope that the arm spigot opens fully to the Kashmiris so they can gain their freedom. Kashmir in the 90s for these J33ts was a literal hellhole. The Pakistani army bastards stop all support to them as a gesture of goodwill and Pakistan saw an increase in attacks across the country in return. Another reason why Pakistani Pashtun should be running the war waging efforts as they don’t have any of that subhuman Indic ties to the other side and they truly hate the pagans. I just don’t trust the Indic fu8ks ruling Pakistan to go scorched earth. This restrain mantra has been repeatedly too many times.

 

[peacemaker99]

the one aspect the Indians are willing to concede to Pakistan is in the information space, that's kind of a backhanded compliment intended to say there was more form over substance in operation sindy, highly ironic in fact

But also you have to look at credibility and quality of Voices versus quantity, this is where India was rather lonely

Well uour statement sounds like 'they know how to talk". You shoild word it brtter.

 

[roger]

1) Assuming India has sought talks and on the verge of begging for talks because some officials of Pakistan and retired officials of India met in Colombo. What was demanded therein be damned.
2) Assuming Islamic Pakistan is honey and sweet and Secular ( Hindu) India is bad bad. It is amusing to see a religious state, and that too an Islamic one with history and global consensus of which produced maximum number of UN designated terrorist , on FATF grey list till recently, casting evil design and calling names to India. How do you guys do this?
3) Assuming you can teach India lessons. That you have capacity to defeat India, when unlike in the past , USA is not arming you with latest weapons and there is huge gaps in conventional force and economic capacity.
4) Assuming all sort of propaganda circulated about India in Pakistan is true.
5) Lastly , assuming your army or political leadership have balls and desire to use atomic weapons ....and end their life....I meant, if they were that patriotic, IK won't be in jail and they will not award themselves Field Marshal fakery making joke of them self.

.... I understand there are lots of kids and grown up kids imagining Pakistan to be Rambo like nation... but the seniors, who knows all , keep quiet.

Why so much false assumptions in your analysis.

India China difference is less than India Pakistan. You will not see Indians threatening nuclear weapons attack on China.

Pakistan is not in a position to do anything to India. India is not going to attack Pakistan ( response to terrorism will be calibrated as always ) .

Your Army has won in Pakistan and Imran is in prison. They achieved their objective. Do not expect anything from them.

India will tighten screws very gradually vis a vis IWT. India is only saying we will take our share which is flowing in Pakistan currently ( read all the official pronouncements) and for this Pakistan cannot do anything. Treaty is in abeyance as India is working infra to take it's share as per IWT which Pakistan was creating hurdles by misusing technicalities. Treaty abeyance is a pain just like overflight is a pain to India . Once India creates infra and India needs water, the IWT will get negotiated and Pakistan after all blusters will agree to:
1) Equal / reduced share.
2) Dismantling all terror infra ( no choice there)
3) Behaving like a small / good nation ...as per its size.


Real issue is economic growth. Spending all money on army and weapons and not on education and infra results in population believing their STRONG faith will grant them Wins.

The gaps between India and Pakistan is growing every year. All the news about India exploding internally is bullshit. Entire country is getting more united . Hindus are finally learning their history and are assertive. Muslims in India will learn to live like a minority ...good minority. ....the way Hindus in Pakistan live.

 

[LC150]

Brilliant piece by Fahad Hussain, not sure why he used to waste time on useless domestic politics. There is no point in talks with current hindutva regime. Modi theatrics of peace like that Pakistan 2016 visit was just for the world. They soon got back in to blaming Pakistan for every militant attack which are blow back of their brutal regime policies on minorities.

Expecting hindutva regime to be serious about peace when they win elections based on hatred of muslims and Pakistan is foolish.

ask nawj... he butt kisses them 247...

 

[LC150]

Simla accord places emphasis on diplomacy. As long as it stands, government is legally binded to exhaust diplomatic measures.

Government of Pakistan if she has enough unity should take the step of annuling it.

why dont patwari's read history

Since Simla india always initiated violence against Pakista
> 1971 - indian aggression
> late 1970s aggressive support to BLA
> 1984 Indian invasion of siaclien glacier
> 1987 - Brass Tracks ... indian plan to invade Pakistan


PS inform Mr Nawj and his aman kee asha crap....

 

[LC150]

1) Assuming India has sought talks and on the verge of begging for talks because some officials of Pakistan and retired officials of India met in Colombo. What was demanded therein be damned.
2) Assuming Islamic Pakistan is honey and sweet and Secular ( Hindu) India is bad bad. It is amusing to see a religious state, and that too an Islamic one with history and global consensus of which produced maximum number of UN designated terrorist , on FATF grey list till recently, casting evil design and calling names to India. How do you guys do this?
3) Assuming you can teach India lessons. That you have capacity to defeat India, when unlike in the past , USA is not arming you with latest weapons and there is huge gaps in conventional force and economic capacity.
4) Assuming all sort of propaganda circulated about India in Pakistan is true.
5) Lastly , assuming your army or political leadership have balls and desire to use atomic weapons ....and end their life....I meant, if they were that patriotic, IK won't be in jail and they will not award themselves Field Marshal fakery making joke of them self.

.... I understand there are lots of kids and grown up kids imagining Pakistan to be Rambo like nation... but the seniors, who knows all , keep quiet.

Why so much false assumptions in your analysis.

India China difference is less than India Pakistan. You will not see Indians threatening nuclear weapons attack on China.

Pakistan is not in a position to do anything to India. India is not going to attack Pakistan ( response to terrorism will be calibrated as always ) .

Your Army has won in Pakistan and Imran is in prison. They achieved their objective. Do not expect anything from them.

India will tighten screws very gradually vis a vis IWT. India is only saying we will take our share which is flowing in Pakistan currently ( read all the official pronouncements) and for this Pakistan cannot do anything. Treaty is in abeyance as India is working infra to take it's share as per IWT which Pakistan was creating hurdles by misusing technicalities. Treaty abeyance is a pain just like overflight is a pain to India . Once India creates infra and India needs water, the IWT will get negotiated and Pakistan after all blusters will agree to:
1) Equal / reduced share.
2) Dismantling all terror infra ( no choice there)
3) Behaving like a small / good nation ...as per its size.


Real issue is economic growth. Spending all money on army and weapons and not on education and infra results in population believing their STRONG faith will grant them Wins.

The gaps between India and Pakistan is growing every year. All the news about India exploding internally is bullshit. Entire country is getting more united . Hindus are finally learning their history and are assertive. Muslims in India will learn to live like a minority ...good minority. ....the way Hindus in Pakistan live.

@ jeet

bakwaas.

 

[LC150]

Your continuous terrorist attacks in India broke it , kiddo.

alleged by India... with no proof.

you guys lie too much

 

[kmc_chacko]

Stealing water is act of war, Pakistan have made it clear.

Its not stealing considering Pakistan's inability to store water.

India is just utilizing them by diverting that water into needy places inside India.

So, first you guys concentrate on storage rather than blaming others like always.