PAF J-10CE News, Updates and Discussion

[Yommie]

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Looking good. Should be able to phase out all the F-16A/B by 2030.

 

[Blain2]

Not a single piece of footage has emerged of a single target in India being hit (excl hazy pic of a building inside Udhampur base, even then the claims of hitting runway in Udhampur wa debunked by sat imagery).
That it's elf shows PAF failed to carry out any effective strikes.

That is because IAF must have had its deflector shield up. How could any Pakistani strike get through that?
Pakistan has never been able to hit India even once in all of the past wars. Not in 1965, not in 1971, not in 2019 and certainly not in 2025.

 

[Quwa]

Buying the Erieye-ER radar set and putting that on top of a Saab 2000 is alot cheaper and equally as capable as the KJ500 and E2Ds by "many multiples".

However, I do wonder if/when Sweden will put up their prices given the good performance of the Erieye platform. France has recently bought into this platform as their AEW&C solution.

tbh the aircraft platform isn't the most expensive part of the system here, not even close. It's the Erieye-ER. So, the PAF could procure Bombardier Globals and integrate the Erieye-ER onto them, and it won't cost much more than refitting Saab 2000s.

 

[corven]

E2D reaches $400 million in international market,I think KJ500 will not exceed this number,Considering the relationship between China and Pakistan, maybe $250-300 million per aircraft.Pakistan can buy 3-4 KJ500s cost $1 billion
It can just fill the vacancy left by the retirement of ZDK-03.Because of Pakistan's excellent performance on May 7, I think China is willing to provide low-interest loans.

The KJ500 will not be sold to foreign countries. If it is, it will be another AWACS aircraft for export, possibly under the KJ500 name. Such an AWACS aircraft was already exhibited at the Paris Air Show.

 

[sutton9999]

What I heard.

a)
Pakistan wanted KJ500(e) a few years ago but no offering from China.
So they bluffed to retire ZDK as a sort of "protest".
ZDK will continue to serve its function, and upgrades have been made.

b)
Connects LINK 17 with Eireye etc. also serves as a demo for Saudi/Egypt. Saudi paid part of the bill.

 

[SABRE]

What I heard.

a)
Pakistan wanted KJ500(e) a few years ago but no offering from China.
So they bluffed to retire ZDK as a sort of "protest".
ZDK will continue to serve its function, and upgrades have been made.

b)
Connects LINK 17 with Eireye etc. also serves as a demo for Saudi/Egypt. Saudi paid part of the bill.

ZDK-03 retirement was not a bluff. That's not the kind of a game PAF plays. Simply put, Erieye is far more superior and ZKD-03 had its deficiencies - especially when considering threat evolution that progressively happened since its induction. It was thus converted to electronic warfare system, the role it now seems to perform satisfactorily.

Edit: From what I know (& I know little), it is China that has offered KJ-500, although prior but informal expression of interest by "some" PAF officials cannot be ruled.

 

[Yasser76]

tbh the aircraft platform isn't the most expensive part of the system here, not even close. It's the Erieye-ER. So, the PAF could procure Bombardier Globals and integrate the Erieye-ER onto them, and it won't cost much more than refitting Saab 2000s.

Yeah, PAF went on a SAAB 2000 buying spree, we have 5 "non Erieye" SAAB 2000s for transport/training that we can easily convert. Expense is the ER system.

 

[corven]

ZDK03 itself is an experimental product.

 

[RajaBaja]

ZDK-03 retirement was not a bluff. That's not the kind of a game PAF plays. Simply put, Erieye is far more superior and ZKD-03 had its deficiencies - especially when considering threat evolution that progressively happened since its induction. It was thus converted to electronic warfare system, the role it now seems to perform satisfactorily.

Edit: From what I know (& I know little), it is China that has offered KJ-500, although prior but informal expression of interest by "some" PAF officials cannot be ruled.

When ZDK-03 came, Pakistan had a few Erieye's, like the first order and two gone due to that terrorist attack. India had made a lot of push and it was looking like Pakistan may not get more from Sweden. So Pakistan resorted to China, ZDK-03 was an evolving product at that time, its rotation gives a couple of seconds long latency, that can make or break the situation when you use it to guide missiles. A 2 seconds target location gap to a Mach 3.5 or 4 fast missile can mean a total target miss by hundreds of yards. Range was never an issue.

Later, Pakistan acquired more Erieyes, implemented the link-17 and made them compatible and then placed another order. So it's been the standard.

However, the future of warfare, the way it seems now, with hundreds of missiles and objects to manage in every single attack, may be outside of Erieye's processing capacity. So we need a heavy OTH solution. HQ-19 is much needed and KJ-500 is much more comprehensive than the Erieye. China designed it for large scale, very distant battle and asset management. Thus, there is talks and interest in that as its plug and play with J-10C's, JF-17's, HQ-9 and HQ-19 at massive ranges.

There is a possibility that ZDK-03 platforms, the Y-8's, will be refurbished and KJ-500 radars and sub-systems could be installed on those and send back. That makes sense to me. Otherwise, KJ-500 will come on Y-9 platform and ZDK-03 Y-8 will be converted into EW platforms.

 

[Ali Yusuf]

According to information available on the net, KJ-500's concurrent tracking of targets is around 60 to 100 aircraft. Whereas, EriEye's concurrent tracking number is around 300. This is vital nowadays to foil attempts of overwhelming surveillance systems using swarms of inexpensive drones.

So this is one area, it seems, where the KJ-500 is not as effective.

 

[MH.Yang]

According to information available on the net, KJ-500's concurrent tracking of targets is around 60 to 100 aircraft. Whereas, EriEye's concurrent tracking number is around 300. This is vital nowadays to foil attempts of overwhelming surveillance systems using swarms of inexpensive drones.

So this is one area, it seems, where the KJ-500 is not as effective.

The EriEye does track more targets. However, the EriEye's radar coverage has a 60-degree blind spot, while the KJ-500 has no blind spot. The KJ-500 also has a longer detection range. Each has its own advantages and disadvantages.

 

[Metal 0-1]

The EriEye does track more targets. However, the EriEye's radar coverage has a 60-degree blind spot, while the KJ-500 has no blind spot. The KJ-500 also has a longer detection range. Each has its own advantages and disadvantages.

That's exactly why AWACS fly perpendicular to the battle space

 

[Luciferdd]

According to information available on the net, KJ-500's concurrent tracking of targets is around 60 to 100 aircraft. Whereas, EriEye's concurrent tracking number is around 300. This is vital nowadays to foil attempts of overwhelming surveillance systems using swarms of inexpensive drones.

So this is one area, it seems, where the KJ-500 is not as effective.

All the descriptions of KJ-500 performance are based on speculation, and the Chinese government has never promoted KJ-500 to any foreign air forces, let alone released any data on its performance

 

[RajaBaja]

According to information available on the net, KJ-500's concurrent tracking of targets is around 60 to 100 aircraft. Whereas, EriEye's concurrent tracking number is around 300. This is vital nowadays to foil attempts of overwhelming surveillance systems using swarms of inexpensive drones.

So this is one area, it seems, where the KJ-500 is not as effective.

These are wrong numbers for KJ-500, just like PL-15's case. KJ-500 is Chinese mainstay kill-chain battle space management system, not just an AWACS. Erieye is an AWACS. Although Erieye performed well in limited conflict.

KJ-500 is an OTH solution, designed to support air, land and naval operations as far as 700-1000 KM out in multi-domain environment. Similar to Boeing E-7.

That means, space, air born, naval, and ground assets as well as being a hub and spoke for missiles, loitering munitions and drone guidance. The total volume of these connected assets could be in hundreds.

 

[Scorpio]

If we can afford and china is willing to provide then KJ500 will big booster along Saabs Erieye....

There should no comparison between both .. both have there own advantage

Having both will multiplier factor ..