PAF J-10CE News Updates and Discussions part ll

[NGAD IS THE BEST]

Ozgur is a far better upgrade n will upgrade our f 16 to a level equlant to block 70/72 standard if not further.
The radar developed under ozgur is GaN based unlike the apg 83 which is GaA based.
Plus it would increase the service life of the airframe from 8000 to 12000

for Turkish upgrades to our F-16s we need US approval

 

[mythbuster]

You'd be better off convincing your government and military not to buy it

It seems that China is currently ramping up production of J-10 fighter jets for Indonesia, Algeria, and Egypt, while Pakistan would be better served by focusing on its F-16s

The twenty J-10C fighters currently in service are already enough for Pakistan.

You still need the kangaroo pouch , don't jump out of it , it's not a nice world.

 

[Reichmarshal]

for Turkish upgrades to our F-16s we need US approval

To a certain extent yes
But that's the beauty of this upgrade as after it u.s influence remains basically till the engine....but the further this program grows n it incorporates more things like short/long range missiles....
U.s influence shrinks

 

[Pakistan First]

You'd be better off convincing your government and military not to buy it

It seems that China is currently ramping up production of J-10 fighter jets for Indonesia, Algeria, and Egypt, while Pakistan would be better served by focusing on its F-16s

The twenty J-10C fighters currently in service are already enough for Pakistan.

I agree with you for the first time. Also tell chengdu & CCP to stop pleading PAF officials.

 

[Jango007]

You'd be better off convincing your government and military not to buy it

It seems that China is currently ramping up production of J-10 fighter jets for Indonesia, Algeria, and Egypt, while Pakistan would be better served by focusing on its F-16s

The twenty J-10C fighters currently in service are already enough for Pakistan.

Man you are pretty obnoxious , clueless and childish and your arguments bottom line retarded …. You are seriously messing up this thread .

 

[maxpane]

To a certain extent yes
But that's the beauty of this upgrade as after it u.s influence remains basically till the engine....but the further this program grows n it incorporates more things like short/long range missiles....
U.s influence shrinks

sir can paf integrate turkiye missiles on f 16s without any restriction?

 

[Jagga Badmash]

J10CE is 1000 times better than even better than F16 Block 52+, longer range BVR no restriction on usage, unlimited spare parts and no string attached of anything.

 

[Ak01]

J10CE is 1000 times better than even better than F16 Block 52+, longer range BVR no restriction on usage, unlimited spare parts and no string attached of anything.

says who to any of the claims you made barring the longer stick

 

[Trailer23]

sir can paf integrate turkiye missiles on f 16s without any restriction?

Yaar, you've been around both this & former [PDF] long enough to know the answer for that.

No Country is allowed to make any kind of changes to any US Military Equipment without their consent - and believe it or not, it includes !srael (too).

If you get their blessing, changes can be made, but under Licence.

 

[Jango007]

Comparing two completely different systems which are configured and Utilized in different situations with their own specific missions is unfair .

F16s have a long and very proud record in PAF and we have a complete ecosystem from maintenance to training built around this beautiful machine . I had a pleasure of meeting with a senior pilot with thousands of hours on F16 who thinks F16 in many mission profiles is still better than J10s.

With both aircrafts networked and working together , they can wreck havoc on the enemy .
F16 configured in their ground mode is a beast to deal with .. J10 has no such role .

Billions are invested in infrastructure, mainly, training and weapons. Etc .
F16 needs to be upgraded so it can serve few more decades to come . J10 will continue to evolve and surprise our enemy .

Indians can learn everything about the F16 but nothing about J10…… that factor alone makes J10 critical for us plus not to mention upgrades and new AAMs for J10 which will always keep Indians guessing .

But the workhorse will remain F16 and as such deserve the respect and attention and a new upgrade.

 

[Aamir Hussain]

IMHO, I believe, if integration is allowed, we might see a transition of our F-16's to strike and interdiction roles and leaving the air superiority domain to J-10 and JF-17 bloc III and then J-35 whenever that comes.

That is why we might be willing to swap out the Iraqi F-16's with JF-17's. But the sticking point remains the integration of non-US munitions and various other permissions for upgrades in Turkey.

100 or so multirole fighters in PAF stock, in future, remains the shorter broad sword of the PAF arsenal with fleet maint. support and upgrades available well into the late 30's if relations permit.

 

[rafale]

IMHO, I believe, if integration is allowed, we might see a transition of our F-16's to strike and interdiction roles and leaving the air superiority domain to J-10 and JF-17 bloc III and then J-35 whenever that comes.

That is why we might be willing to swap out the Iraqi F-16's with JF-17's. But the sticking point remains the integration of non-US munitions and various other permissions for upgrades in Turkey.

100 or so multirole fighters in PAF stock, in future, remains the shorter broad sword of the PAF arsenal with fleet maint. support and upgrades available well into the late 30's if relations permit.

I think once this US-Iran negotiations settle down and results come out positive, Pakistan will push for F-16 upgrades.

PAF has already spent 1 billion+ USD on sustainment contracts and new subsystem support.....so it might make future orders in smaller numbers as well....like 500 million USD for Radar this year, 500 million for mission computers next year, 500 million for missiles.

It all depends on how much and how long pakistan can remain on good side of trump.

Trump will even make Lockheed divert V kits and support from other upgrades in progress towards Pakistan. Cannot rule out this possibility

 

[BonPlan]

To a certain extent yes
But that's the beauty of this upgrade as after it u.s influence remains basically till the engine....but the further this program grows n it incorporates more things like short/long range missiles....
U.s influence shrinks

What is the remaining life span of your F16 fleet ?
At the end, no more US tie. (but a chinese one... best today, but tomorrow ?)

 

[BonPlan]

J10CE is 1000 times better than even better than F16 Block 52+, longer range BVR no restriction on usage, unlimited spare parts and no string attached of anything.

about the string, is it so sure?
no problem today. But in 15 years?

 

[Corax]

about the string, is it so sure?
no problem today. But in 15 years?

How is that any different to what we experienced with the US or you French?