PAF Precision Strike on Terrorists Hideout

[Yasser76]

I suggest we have a 2 tier system.

1 for people we like, 1 for people we don't.

If you don't like it, go to the bharatratshit forum and post there.

Obviously you should be on the like list.

I would support that but Mods are more reasonable then both of us!

 

[Trailer23]

Not that i'm questioning the footage/result...

...however, who the hell was Recording a major terrorist house/hideout & knew when the laser-guided weapon would hit it & not fear for his life in the process?!!

@Yasser76 @Windjammer @Irfan Baloch

 

[Ak01]

i had wrote this but thought ill leave it lol, seems setup for optics like marsoos

Not that i'm questioning the footage/result...

...however, who the hell was Recording a major terrorist house/hideout & knew when the laser-guided weapon would hit it & not fear for his life in the process?!!

@Yasser76 @Windjammer @Irfan Baloch

 

[Windjammer]

Not that i'm questioning the footage/result...

...however, who the hell was Recording a major terrorist house/hideout & knew when the laser-guided weapon would hit it & not fear for his life in the process?!!

@Yasser76 @Windjammer @Irfan Baloch

There are several footages from Afghanistan filmed by ground crew capturing J-Dam strikes, one particularly was dramatic when six such bombs struck the target and some shrapnel or debris flew past the camera like a missile .
The strike didn't exactly took place in some hostile territory so no big deal if some friendlies were in the area, I also believe sometimes the targets are painted with laser by crew on the ground .

 

[RAJPUT]

Yet again, this was not an airstrike. It was a controlled demolition by the units on the ground.
This is not to say that an airstrike could not be documented as we also have JTACs in the army who could be carrying video recording devices etc. But not so in this case.

Very clearly an airstrike. Slow the video down you can see the projectile coming down.

 

[Rational Philosopher]

This was purely for optics.

House was empty.

They hit one random mudhut. Inconsequential.

The area is infested with terrorists but no meaningful, comprehensive campaign is followed. Why? Because they fear backlash. Locals are highly sympathetic to TTP narratives.

Had it been serious you'd see entire village disappear.

 

[Blain2]

Very clearly an airstrike. Slow the video down you can see the projectile coming down.View attachment 139220

I stand corrected: You are right. I did see a mention (Source: X) that this was an ordnance disposal by the units operating in the area. But it does look like an airstrike.

 

[Irfan Baloch]

Not that i'm questioning the footage/result...

...however, who the hell was Recording a major terrorist house/hideout & knew when the laser-guided weapon would hit it & not fear for his life in the process?!!

@Yasser76 @Windjammer @Irfan Baloch

too many questions
a tribesman?
a spy?
a solider?

in all cases very risky for being too close and before strike the risk of being discovered and executed by tribesmen.

thankfully the war on terror and Pakistan military operation thinned their numbers otherwise they were mainstream and sued to roam streets brandishing their guns. its sad that they get sympathy by PTI but I am sure it will stop once they also start targeting PTI just like they targeted ANP leadership.

my friends in ANP protested back in PTI government against their resettlement in Swat.
I have videos sent to me by my class fellow who runs a resort in Sawat who showed checkposts with gun totting terrorists in Sawat. although them having Imran khan shirts or stickers of PTI on their phones dont suggest they are working together with PTI but they never classed PTI as their enemy like other parties and Pakistan army.

PTI cant wash its hands completely through fake ignorance. it was complicit with gen Faiz and Gen Bajwa in that decision.

Rant aside, this strike is sus.. good news if true and I wont lose any sleep if the terrorist died along with his hosts.

 

[Blain2]

too many questions
a tribesman?
a spy?
a solider?

in all cases very risky for being too close and before strike the risk of being discovered and executed by tribesmen.

thankfully the war on terror and Pakistan military operation thinned their numbers otherwise they were mainstream and sued to roam streets brandishing their guns. its sad that they get sympathy by PTI but I am sure it will stop once they also start targeting PTI just like they targeted ANP leadership.

my friends in ANP protested back in PTI government against their resettlement in Swat.
I have videos sent to me by my class fellow who runs a resort in Sawat who showed checkposts with gun totting terrorists in Sawat. although them having Imran khan shirts or stickers of PTI on their phones dont suggest they are working together with PTI but they never classed PTI as their enemy like other parties and Pakistan army.

PTI cant wash its hands completely through fake ignorance. it was complicit with gen Faiz and Gen Bajwa in that decision.

Rant aside, this strike is sus.. good news if true and I wont lose any sleep if the terrorist died along with his hosts.

PTI sympathies are absolutely playing a part because TTP is finding space in the ongoing discord between the Center and PTI.

However, I believe their, PTI's, stance on ending this with talks is the logical conclusion. No amount of kinetic action will rid of this menace completely. It will have to be a combination of kinetic action to bring the other side to talks and then incentives for IEA (TTP are just a pawn) to shed the use of TTP against the Pakistani state.
What makes it harder is IEA's expansionist ideology.

 

[Windjammer]

I stand corrected: You are right. I did see a mention (Source: X) that this was an ordnance disposal by the units operating in the area. But it does look like an airstrike.

Sir, if you turn up the volume, you will clearly hear the scream/whistle of an incoming projectile rather than the boom of a detonation.

 

[Rational Philosopher]

PTI sympathies are absolutely playing a part because TTP is finding space in the ongoing discord between the Center and PTI.

However, I believe their, PTI's, stance on ending this with talks is the logical conclusion. No amount of kinetic action will rid of this menace completely. It will have to be a combination of kinetic action to bring the other side to talks and then incentives for IEA (TTP are just a pawn) to shed the use of TTP against the Pakistani state.
What makes it harder is IEA's expansionist ideology.

The only talks that should be taking place is their conditions of surrendering to all demands favourable to Pakistan or just end this pointless charade entirely and give then exactly what they want. Don't fight half-hearted wars that leave behind an unstable predicament that usually becomes even more dangerous and worse.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, Pakistan is a powder keg waiting to explode if the state doesn't act like a proper authority and enforce its writ through extreme violence.

What the Pakistani state is dealing with is not some special unique predicament, it's ethnic chauvinism and separatism. It needs to establish its authority on those regions by violence. Just like Turkey, China, Sri Lanka, etc did.

If you can't do this then I hate to say it but you don't deserve to exist and no one should baby sit you. Punish every local colloborator and clear out villages and grind down the menace. Or you can keep letting the same terrorist sympathisers drag down the entire country and pretend you're making progress. It's getting tiresome.

 

[Rational Philosopher]

As for Afghanistan, no amount of crying or complaining or sucking up to it will change their desire. It's literally an ethno chauvinistic tribal society where even the children believe in hatred of Pakistan and expansionist.

It's a poor shithole version of Nazis/Japan, no amount of complaining or talks will change this. You punish such people via tangible action.

Coward posturing only makes you look like a complete puzzy who should be bullied more; easy target.

 

[Blain2]

The only talks that should be taking place is their conditions of surrendering to all demands favourable to Pakistan or just end this pointless charade entirely and give then exactly what they want. Don't fight half-hearted wars that leave behind an unstable predicament that usually becomes even more dangerous and worse.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, Pakistan is a powder keg waiting to explode if the state doesn't act like a proper authority and enforce its writ through extreme violence.

What the Pakistani state is dealing with is not some special unique predicament, it's ethnic chauvinism and separatism. It needs to establish its authority on those regions by violence. Just like Turkey, China, Sri Lanka, etc did.

If you can't do this then I hate to say it but you don't deserve to exist and no one should baby sit you. Punish every local colloborator and clear out villages and grind down the menace. Or you can keep letting the same terrorist sympathisers drag down the entire country and pretend you're making progress. It's getting tiresome.

For the first part of your post "The only talks that should be taking place is their conditions of surrendering", you need the situation on the ground to be brought to the point where the other side has no option but to take what GoP offers them.
Currently, this isn't so. Which is why I was saying some serious phainty is needed and then take to talks.
Pakistan has a history of, as the Americans say "half-assing" everything. We start things that we never finish.
If the army goes all in against TTP, the civilian, provincial government has to implement rigorous punishment on the terrorists who are captured. The courts have to be thorough and expedient with cases so sentences can be carried out against those acting against the state, thus taking them out of action and circulation in the TTP.
Currently, even if the Army captures ppl, the local government and courts are not taking strong enough action. This is the reason that other measures are being resorted to which end up giving the insurgents a fillip in terms of propaganda.

 

[Rational Philosopher]

For the first part of your post "The only talks that should be taking place is their conditions of surrendering", you need the situation on the ground to be brought to the point where the other side has no option but to take what GoP offers them.
Currently, this isn't so. Which is why I was saying some serious phainty is needed and then take to talks.
Pakistan has a history of, as the Americans say "half-assing" everything. We start things that we never finish.
If the army goes all in against TTP, the civilian, provincials government has to implement rigorous punishment on the terrorists who are captured. The courts have to be thorough and expedient with cases so sentences can be carried out against those acting against the state, thus taking them out of action and circulation in the TTP.
Currently, even if the Army captures ppl, the local government and courts are not taking strong enough action. This is the reason that other measures are being resorted to which end up giving the insurgents a fillip in terms of propaganda.

Yep, I'm aware of the complicity of the local administration, beuracrats, politicians, citizens, etc.

But the ultimate authority here we both know is the army. They have the capability to sideline everyone. We can't live in a perpetual state of insecurity fighting terrorism/separatism because the above groups don't want to get their heads out of their ass.

There are some solutions like actively sidelining them entirely, or let the terrorists take over the region entirely and wipe those sympathizers out alongside them. It might be problematic at first but the initial hurdle is always the hardest. In the end a true solution will ALWAYs anger sympathizers because they don't want to solve the problem, naturally you have to hurt their feelings.

It's either this or we live in a constant of insecurity which itself will lead to collapse anyway.

 

[Blain2]

Yep, I'm aware of the complicity of the local administration, beuracrats, politicians, citizens, etc.

But the ultimate authority here we both know is the army. They have the capability to sideline everyone. We can't live in a perpetual state of insecurity fighting terrorism/separatism because the above groups don't want to get their heads out of their ass.

There are some solutions like actively sidelining them entirely, or let the terrorists take over the region entirely and wipe those sympathizers out alongside them. It might be problematic at first but the initial hurdle is always the hardest.

It's either this or we live in a constant of insecurity which itself will lead to collapse anyway.

Army could set up AT courts, however the local government, bar, judiciary will start howling about it, verdicts being challenged and sent to higher courts...the same old script. On top of that, the actual work is all done by the local police to prosecute the terrorists and they have miserably failed at it.

Honestly, this is a time where direct federal rule over KP may help but with the current standoff with PTI, nothing seems simple enough.

Ideally both KP and Center should be aligned on the terrorism strategy and be on the same page regarding execution. This isn't so because even if the CM, KP wanted to work with the Center and Army, IK is not agreed on the need to launch operations.