PAF SAM based Air Defense System - News, Discussion & Updates

[guangdongt]

I personally believe that India's biggest weakness lies in its satellite system, and future wars will be the first wave of confrontation in space. The outcome of the India Pakistan conflict proves that India is not Russia, and the leaders of both countries may not be able to sustain a long-term conflict. Next time, there will be a brief outbreak of high-energy combat throughout the entire process, and the loss is inevitable. Blinding the enemy's eyes and brain is of utmost importance. Satellites and data links are the areas where India will truly strengthen next time. If Pakistan has anti satellite capabilities, the first wave will be to eliminate India's satellite navigation and communication system. Early warning aircraft and A-to-B missile tactics, as well as hypersonic missile attacks, are not uncommon, and have been in theory and deployment for quite some time. But in this world, there are very few countries with the ability to destroy or defend from space. If it were me, maybe. The first wave is the introduction of anti satellite weapons，Simple drones are necessary for power asymmetry or long-term wars between continental countries. In the short-term high-intensity war between Pakistan and India, satellite warfare may appear in the next wave of powder warfare

 

[harpy1]

Indian defense analysts have already predicted that after chinease air defense failures that Pakistan would seek Turkish Sam systems

Warfare has changed as proven by India in the air
Dog fights was replaced by bvrs long range air to air

Now

It's long range cruise missiles drones unmanned systems for striking precision targets backed by satalites and jamming enemy radarsx
And
Layered all aspect multi tier air defense that creates a shield over 400km deep so strong your enemy won't send manned fighters
Sindoor proved a lot

 

[iblini]

Indian defense analysts have already predicted that after chinease air defense failures that Pakistan would seek Turkish Sam systems

Warfare has changed as proven by India in the air
Dog fights was replaced by bvrs long range air to air

Now

It's long range cruise missiles drones unmanned systems for striking precision targets backed by satalites and jamming enemy radarsx
And
Layered all aspect multi tier air defense that creates a shield over 400km deep so strong your enemy won't send manned fighters
Sindoor proved a lot

oh, the old harpy1 is back, since you are very confident with your armed force, time to be aggressive on China now, we will see how your super duper weapon works out.
what a total frog in the well...


"Frog in the well" is a common idiom used to describe someone who is narrow-minded and unaware of the world beyond their immediate surroundings. The phrase, originating in ancient Chinese and Indian philosophies, uses the image of a frog confined to a well, believing its small world to be the entire universe.

 

[guangdongt]

oh, the old harpy1 is back, since you are very confident with your armed force, time to be aggressive on China now, we will see how your super duper weapon works out.
what a total frog in the well...

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"Frog in the well" is a common idiom used to describe someone who is narrow-minded and unaware of the world beyond their immediate surroundings. The phrase, originating in ancient Chinese and Indian philosophies, uses the image of a frog confined to a well, believing its small world to be the entire universe.

Hey buddy, don't pay attention to him. The air battle on May 7th shattered the backbone of their air force. India said we used satellites, but their hasty and failed launch of satellites clearly illustrates the problem. They took two days off before retaliating. And besides using ballistic missiles and the navy, the offensive weapons are almost depleted in conventional weapons. This proves that our theory of warfare is effective. The biggest propaganda of Indians is to downplay their core failures and seize the opportunity to speak. This medium-sized power is China's best military advertising promotion and tactical testing ground, and there are shortcomings that can be improved

 

[iblini]

Hey buddy, don't pay attention to him. The air battle on May 7th shattered the backbone of their air force. India said we used satellites, but their hasty and failed launch of satellites clearly illustrates the problem. They took two days off before retaliating. And besides using ballistic missiles and the navy, the offensive weapons are almost depleted in conventional weapons. This proves that our theory of warfare is effective. The biggest propaganda of Indians is to downplay their core failures and seize the opportunity to speak. This medium-sized power is China's best military advertising promotion and tactical testing ground, and there are shortcomings that can be improved

ofc no, I am just teasing a clown, knew him for sometimes now, he is quiet famous alone some of his other buddies here.

 

[PakShaheen_79]

People are questioning HQ-9 capabilities but not paying attention to Pakistan striking Indian targets at will under the protection of S-400. PAF/PA hit more sites/more targets than the Indians. What does that tell one about the efficacy of S-400?
It goes without saying that Pakistan needs more batteries.

The recent Ukrainian kamikaze drone attacks on Russian strategic bombers is something to keep in mind. However, in this case, the drones were launched from close by so a covert operation.

Do you have any proof of those hits? What actually did PAF or PA hit ? Some random smoke plume pictured from 10-15 kilometers away don't tell you a think about effectiveness of Pakistani "Response". If we hit more sites, why it is that there is not a SINGLE clear sat image of any target we hit? Pakistan is in dire need of a weapon system like CJ-100 produced locally even with reduced range below 1,000 KM and at the same time, we need HGV on Fatah-4 to make it anything effective. F1 and F2 are simply over hyped guided rockets, nothing more.

 

[harpy1]

Indian hits were televised live by Pakistanis themselves and their mobiles
As well as detailed satalites images before and after air strikes
In contrast Pakistan claims are social media tik tok paid propaganda with no clear evidence...

As for India having a two day break between terror camps and air bases it's because we made it clear this was terror operation only not full scale war on Pakistan or it's military..we wanted terror camps only

It's only after Pakistan escalated that we showed fraction of the fire power we could wield at will if war became real at full throttle

Thankfully soon after we hit Noor khan kirania hills and Lahore etc peace came within hours

Coincidentally or did reality bite home

 

[harpy1]

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Bury your head's boys
We selling these systems for billions of dollars
Across the world now

 

[Jungibaaz]

Indian defense analysts have already predicted that after chinease air defense failures that Pakistan would seek Turkish Sam systems

Warfare has changed as proven by India in the air
Dog fights was replaced by bvrs long range air to air

Now

It's long range cruise missiles drones unmanned systems for striking precision targets backed by satalites and jamming enemy radarsx
And
Layered all aspect multi tier air defense that creates a shield over 400km deep so strong your enemy won't send manned fighters
Sindoor proved a lot

It really is refreshing to see such hubris back so soon. I sincerely hope your leadership and military planners also maintain healthy levels of hubris, it’s the best long-term hope we have to keep on foiling your plans.

 

[harpy1]

It really is refreshing to see such hubris back so soon. I sincerely hope your leadership and military planners also maintain healthy levels of hubris, it’s the best long-term hope we have to keep on foiling your plans.

We have ambitions to rise as economy super power
We want peace for our region
But we will not standby and watch innocent Indians bring murdered by terrorists from any nation

We will.deter and yes we will achieve our 5 trillion gdp in 2026 and 10 trillion gdp by 2034...

We want peace and will use our might and confidence to do this by force if required

 

[farooqbhai]

We have ambitions to rise as economy super power
We want peace for our region
But we will not standby and watch innocent Indians bring murdered by terrorists from any nation

We will.deter and yes we will achieve our 5 trillion gdp in 2026 and 10 trillion gdp by 2034...

We want peace and will use our might and confidence to do this by force if required

Stop polluting the thread pls.

 

[Musings]

We have ambitions to rise as economy super power
We want peace for our region
But we will not standby and watch innocent Indians bring murdered by terrorists from any nation

We will.deter and yes we will achieve our 5 trillion gdp in 2026 and 10 trillion gdp by 2034...

We want peace and will use our might and confidence to do this by force if required

Here you go again.
Blazing back asking advice how not to get banned and then launching crap.
You attack a sovereign nation without 1 iota proof of a false flag attack and kill children and bomb a mosque and say you want peace?
Try to bring food to 400 million malnourished first before talking about superpower.
You were unable to defend yourself against a country a seventh size of yourself as planes fell out of the sky?
Grow up........

 

[najamiqbal]

We have ambitions to rise as economy super power
We want peace for our region
But we will not standby and watch innocent Indians bring murdered by terrorists from any nation

We will.deter and yes we will achieve our 5 trillion gdp in 2026 and 10 trillion gdp by 2034...

We want peace and will use our might and confidence to do this by force if required

Ambitions are good — so are GDP projections, provided they’re based on actual economic fundamentals and not WhatsApp forwards. But let’s be clear: deterrence doesn’t come from slogans, it comes from outcomes. So when even international media reports at least one Rafale down and an S-400 system cooked mid-air, maybe dial down the 'superpower' rhetoric until the warranty claims are sorted. Peace is everyone’s preference — but humility helps it last longer. Plus if you want peace then India needs to rethink of its proxies in other countries and its self made false flag operations....

 

[Cipher212]

We have ambitions to rise as economy super power
We want peace for our region
But we will not standby and watch innocent Indians bring murdered by terrorists from any nation

We will.deter and yes we will achieve our 5 trillion gdp in 2026 and 10 trillion gdp by 2034...

We want peace and will use our might and confidence to do this by force if required

Be ready to just keep standing by then because lobbing a few missiles at us isn't going to stop Kashmiris from resisting.

 

[Blain2]

No major installation was successfully hit by Pakistan. All the blast and smoke was from initial impact of the weapons fired by Pakistan.

Similar smoke and blast effects were seen at Sargodha where the runway was struck successfully by the IAF. Runway has nothing to catch fire and cause smoke but there was both of them in ample quantity. Only Nur Khan had fire raging for many hours but rest all were targets with nothing to cause secondary blast and fire, which were captured from ground.

So a Fatah falling in an open area or even a non critical building is not a successful strike. Damage to buildings could have been proven the very next day which wasn’t done. And please don’t say that Paksiatn doesn’t have its own BDA. There are more than enough entities that can provide satellite pictures for money. I am sure that, this was done but not publicised due to obvious reasons.

A bomb or a missile dropping inside an airbase isn’t a successful strike. Its accuracy to strike something critical makes it successful. Either the weapons fired didn’t have the desired accuracy or the most critical one’s were intercepted by Indian AD.

Considering that PAF fired more ordnance in two days than that fired in entire 1965 war means a lot. Considering that there is nothing to show as proof means a lot.

It’s high time Think Tank level of posters start accepting this fact and stop relying on videos made on ground as a proof.

Pakistan's response was a "calibrated" one. Enough damage had already been inflicted in the air (despite all denials from the other side coming to nought) for Pakistan to not want a doubling down of hurt on the Indian side because that would have set the stage for a greater escalation. That is why the response was measured and took its time.

The fact of the matter is that Pakistan proved that it can hit India deep inside (nobody ever said the same could not be done from standoff distances by India) and it showed this capability through not only stand-off munitions but with hundreds of UAVs loitering deep inside the entire north Indian belt. What is more important is that the overall efficacy of S-400 was left greatly suspect (and this was a platform which was trumped up by India as something that would stop the PAF in its tracks). Nothing of this sort happened and as I have mentioned before, PAF employed less than 1% of its surface attack potential in this go-around (most of the strikes were by guided Artillery and not from the air). On top of this, Pakistan did not employ any of its terrain-hugging LACM/ALCMs for large impact strikes.