Pak-Afghan Border Skirmishes and Terrorism Watch

[SD 10]

there is always something with these backwater monkeys!

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

I have long given up anyone tryin educating these badmash jahil afghani. My only hope now is that somehow these afghani get on da bad side of da Iranis.......then we might see some results!

You and I know ina da aik he ilaaj hae ga!.......kuttay de tarha pharrh k maarna.

Otherwise we just spinning our wheels.

US long gone from da scene......we just gotta make sure Indians don't get in there again.

They'll never listen to us to stop fukking around!

Think with these guys is that their IQ is extremely low.

 

[CPTPLANET]

Where did this $ 400 billion come from? The book Military Inc. by Siddiqui shows that in the early 2000s, gross revenue was approximately $ 20-$25 billion; at most right now, it would be $ 30-$ 35 billion annually. Fauji Fertilizer had a gross revenue of $ 650-700 million, so this alone shows those peddling a deep state economy have no clue what they are talking about. If you read the book and look at other publicly available data, you will see that even the Pakistan Military Enterprise in various sectors it's operating in is underperforming its peers per international standards with below-average growth for a developing nation, reinvestment into machinery, and other technology is all but non-existent. In some cases, certain industrial units were closed down completely as they were in the red, and that means a few things, take your wild guess.

Even if they did $400 billion, they couldn't lend $1 billion to the nation they were sworn to protect. So you see the fallacy of this Deep State economy theory. It holds no water.

I will say this: The Pakistan Military Enterprise has done more damage to the local economy by stifling local businesses from growing and expanding.

I stand corrected. No surprised why they’re so bhookay nagay then. Just a sad state of affairs.

 

[AJKashmir1]

Where did this $ 400 billion come from? The book Military Inc. by Siddiqui shows that in the early 2000s, gross revenue was approximately $ 20-$25 billion; at most right now, it would be $ 30-$ 35 billion annually. Fauji Fertilizer had a gross revenue of $ 650-700 million, so this alone shows those peddling a deep state economy have no clue what they are talking about. If you read the book and look at other publicly available data, you will see that even the Pakistan Military Enterprise in various sectors it's operating in is underperforming its peers per international standards with below-average growth for a developing nation, reinvestment into machinery, and other technology is all but non-existent. In some cases, certain industrial units were closed down completely as they were in the red, and that means a few things, take your wild guess.

Even if they did $400 billion, they couldn't lend $1 billion to the nation they were sworn to protect. So you see the fallacy of this Deep State economy theory. It holds no water.

I will say this: The Pakistan Military Enterprise has done more damage to the local economy by stifling local businesses from growing and expanding.

Also most of this money goes towards sustaining their current arsenal and keeping it operational, then you have salaries, retirement funds etc.

At the end the actual practical amount for huge endeavours like creating buffer zones which are insurgency intensive are extremely low compared to what would be ideal.

On the underground economy front, I think that's separate, there likely is a civillian portion of the economy that remains undocumented but not huge.

But government/military run businesses have two main issues:

1. they are extremely underperforming compared to their global peers in terms of relative performance (this is despite them maintaining a forced monopoly by not allowing fair competition)

2. they have unfair monopolies that actually harm the economy and receive unjustified government advantages. They are not allowing more competent businesses to excel and benefit the country just to keep their own small monopoly.

 

[FuturePAF]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1823047974122922361

Afghans call any armored vehicle, even a humvee, “a tank”. So most likely it was a humvee.

 

[FuturePAF]

Where did this $ 400 billion come from? The book Military Inc. by Siddiqui shows that in the early 2000s, gross revenue was approximately $ 20-$25 billion; at most right now, it would be $ 30-$ 35 billion annually. Fauji Fertilizer had a gross revenue of $ 650-700 million, so this alone shows those peddling a deep state economy have no clue what they are talking about. If you read the book and look at other publicly available data, you will see that even the Pakistan Military Enterprise in various sectors it's operating in is underperforming its peers per international standards with below-average growth for a developing nation, reinvestment into machinery, and other technology is all but non-existent. In some cases, certain industrial units were closed down completely as they were in the red, and that means a few things, take your wild guess.

Even if they did $400 billion, they couldn't lend $1 billion to the nation they were sworn to protect. So you see the fallacy of this Deep State economy theory. It holds no water.

I will say this: The Pakistan Military Enterprise has done more damage to the local economy by stifling local businesses from growing and expanding.

They probably took over the commercial landscape in a big way during Zia and never let go, to make up for the lack of reinvestment by the more competent (not saying they were world class) industrialists that had their assets nationalized under Bhutto. This is probably also why they bend to the Sharifs and their industrialist allies, any money is better than no money, even if it comes from incompetent industrialists. Look at Pakistan’s population growth and look at Pakistan’s GDP growth. GDP growth doesn’t even keep up with population growth, showing how inefficient and shortsighted the sharif and their allies have been.

 

[mythbuster]

Also most of this money goes towards sustaining their current arsenal and keeping it operational, then you have salaries, retirement funds etc.

At the end the actual practical amount for huge endeavours like creating buffer zones which are insurgency intensive are extremely low compared to what would be ideal.

On the underground economy front, I think that's separate, there likely is a civillian portion of the economy that remains undocumented but not huge.

But government/military run businesses have two main issues:

1. they are extremely underperforming compared to their global peers in terms of relative performance (this is despite them maintaining a forced monopoly by not allowing fair competition)

2. they have unfair monopolies that actually harm the economy and receive unjustified government advantages. They are not allowing more competent businesses to excel and benefit the country just to keep their own small monopoly.

What are those '' unfair monopolies ? And incompetent businesses?.....can you please throw some light on them?

 

[FuturePAF]

What are those '' unfair monopolies ? And incompetent businesses?.....can you please throw some light on them?

If I remember the story correctly this example is a clear example of just how hopeless it looks nowadays:

Do you remember the story of the Egyptian billionaire that wanted to invest billions into Pakistan’s hotel sector. He planned to do it before IK’s government, so it was at the time of the Pre-IK sharif government. He even came to Pakistan during IK’s tenure, so it’s not tied to any one politician. For a “mysterious” reason, a helicopter could not be arranged for him to see the site in time. He had give a time frame before his flight back to Egypt and conveniently the helicopter was only made available just when he had to leave.

He had spent up to that time 10-14 years trying to get a deal done.

Seeing how hard it would be plus that he would have to pay somewhere around 17% in taxes while his faji competitors didn’t have to pay any, he left and gave up after trying for 10 years.

Billions of dollars left on the table, so the monopoly can continue. No sense in growing the pie or increasing investment to reach world standards, nope, business as usual is A-OK for the elite capture.

Most other world class companies know they have to reinvest around 15% of profits into R&D and some more still to improve worker training and acquire modern equipment. But in Pakistan, getting a great share of the domestic market is more important than allowing competition to be able to get a growing share of a much much larger global market.

This is not to say, investors that are retired military don’t have a right to do business. Absolutely it is their right to invest and do business, but it should be equal to all other investors, so it is fair, so that it will attract more investment.

Heck, these military led firms could do 50/50 joint ventures with foreign firms, the way China has done, to help move them up the tech ladder and train up their staff to be globally competitive. But at the same time, let Pakistani civilian companies do the same. Equally, both should pay their fair share of taxes, and that creates more opportunities for all Pakistanis.

FIND A WAY TO GROW THE PIE.

 

[Oscar]

Where did this $ 400 billion come from? The book Military Inc. by Siddiqui shows that in the early 2000s, gross revenue was approximately $ 20-$25 billion; at most right now, it would be $ 30-$ 35 billion annually. Fauji Fertilizer had a gross revenue of $ 650-700 million, so this alone shows those peddling a deep state economy have no clue what they are talking about. If you read the book and look at other publicly available data, you will see that even the Pakistan Military Enterprise in various sectors it's operating in is underperforming its peers per international standards with below-average growth for a developing nation, reinvestment into machinery, and other technology is all but non-existent. In some cases, certain industrial units were closed down completely as they were in the red, and that means a few things, take your wild guess.

Even if they did $400 billion, they couldn't lend $1 billion to the nation they were sworn to protect. So you see the fallacy of this Deep State economy theory. It holds no water.

I will say this: The Pakistan Military Enterprise has done more damage to the local economy by stifling local businesses from growing and expanding.

Yep - oddly enough this is problem with cultists on both sides. One thinks there are coffers of billions generated that are flowing overseas into the Cayman Islands while the other thinks it’s a golden goose underground allowing several squadrons of J-31s to be bought at whim.

The reality is that not only has military inc. seen more failed ventures than not - it has suffered from corruption more than state enterprises leading to these failed ventures and also uses it oligarchy to prevent competition and better development to take hold.

Just because Fauji granola exists doesn’t mean they are now competing with Kellogs

 

[Dalit]

So the " Warrior of Allah/Islam " have time to attack Pakistan, which is a bad but still a Muslim country but while a literal Genocide is taking place in Palestine, they Afghan Taliban haven't even issued a statement or did anything to fight them ? Of course...

These are American assets. Specifically CIA assets. You just ask yourself this question. Why would the Americans leave billions worth of weaponry behind and available to the TTP?

 

[Amir Mahajane]

It just did not pan out the way Pakistani state apparatus wanted it to. The post Afghan pullout.

Look at it this way, they just need an airforce. Everything else has been provided by the homebound US forces.

This is the outcome CIA wanted. They wanted the two Islamic states to fight each other and not gang up against US and repeat 9/11. Pakistan now actually has a bigger headache than India. It suits India just fine.

 

[Khansaheeb]

Where's the air force? Should be carpet bombing them instead of wasting time in petty squabbles at a gate

As US and Russia found out, then what? US and Soviets ran out but Pakistan can't. Pointless Muslim brothers fighting both should be looking East and West.

 

[ghazi52]

Operations resume at Torkham crossing following recent border tensions​

The border crossing shut down on Monday after clash between countries' security forces

Anadolu Agency
August 15, 2024

PHOTO: ANADOLU

ISLAMABAD: The Torkham border crossing between Pakistan and Afghanistan, which had been closed for three days due to skirmishes, has reopened, an official said on Thursday.

The crossing, connecting Khyber Pakhtunkhwa (K-P) with Afghanistan's Nangarhar province, was shut down on Monday following clashes between the security forces of the two countries.

Abdullah Khan, a local Pakistani official at the border, confirmed to Anadolu that "the border has reopened this morning for travellers and transport after remaining closed for three days."

The closure of the Torkham border, one of the two main crossings between Pakistan and Afghanistan, has caused heavy losses to already depreciating trade between the two neighbours, as Torkham is one of the busiest trade routes between Islamabad and Kabul.

The trade volume between landlocked Afghanistan and Pakistan has been mostly affected by terrorist attacks in Pakistan that Islamabad blames on Afghanistan-based militants, leading to the closure of border crossings.

On Tuesday, Zabihullah Mujahid, a chief spokesperson for the interim Afghan government, said they are investigating reports of Pakistani fighter jets violating Afghan airspace while patrolling.

His statement came after a clash between the security forces of two neighbours near the Torkham border and unconfirmed reports of Pakistani fighter jets patrolling the airspace of Nangarhar and neighbouring Kunar province.

Islamabad accuses "Afghan-based" Fitna Al Khawarij militants of carrying out militant attacks inside Pakistan, while Kabul denies the allegation that such attacks are launched from its soil.

Sporadic clashes between troops at the Pakistan-Afghan border have been ongoing for a long time, with no respite even after the Taliban took power in the war-torn country in August 2021.

Pakistan and landlocked Afghanistan share 18 border crossing points, the busiest of which are Torkham and Chaman in Balochistan.

Afghanistan does not recognise the Durand Line -- the de facto border between the two countries -- on the grounds that it was created by a British colonial “to divide ethnic Pashtuns.”

However, Islamabad maintains that the Durand Line is a permanent border between the two neighbouring countries.

The 2,640-kilometer-long (1,640-mile) border was established in 1893 in line with an agreement between India under British colonial rule and Abdur Rahman Khan, the then-ruler of Afghanistan.

 

[313Ghazi]

It just did not pan out the way Pakistani state apparatus wanted it to. The post Afghan pullout.

Look at it this way, they just need an airforce. Everything else has been provided by the homebound US forces.

This is the outcome CIA wanted. They wanted the two Islamic states to fight each other and not gang up against US and repeat 9/11. Pakistan now actually has a bigger headache than India. It suits India just fine.

Are you an idiot or a troll.

No muslim stare was responsible for 911.

The actions of terrorists should never be associated with muslims.

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

What have the Afgans been smoking? It gives a bad reputation to their primary export products....