Pakistan-Af: Operation Khyber Storm

[Oscar]

Taliban are buying time. All the while India is arming them.
Soon they will be attacking via FPV drones while India launches a simultaneous attack.

Unfortunately, the military knows this, the civilian facade knows this. But because you have to honor the hosts in turkey and Qatar to maintain goodwill with them you have to agree. This is the price of maintaining good relations with those countries.

 

[Liquidator]

Taliban are buying time. All the while India is arming them.
Soon they will be attacking via FPV drones while India launches a simultaneous attack.

It's not that easy to arm them.
India has to tread carefully. The narrative about it sponsoring terrorism in Pakistan is slowly growing and recall how literally nobody gave a flying toss when their false flag happened.

They wanted that to be their October 7th....

I think a more logical assessment could be buying time on behalf of India. They don't want Pakistan to finish them off too soon....maybe.

I however Trust the judgement of the establishment, they've done a decent enough job so far. They also know what we do not know.

 

[Oldenwisdom...قول بزرگ]

Correct. But Turks didn't have a seven times bigger Hundutva enemy on their east either.

Incorrect. Turks were firm against both the US and zion in their support for a Kurdish state post Iraq war. Unless everyone has forgotten US had made promises that were later not kept ... partly aided by movements that ran amok over Kurdish territories which essentially hollowed them out for good. Turkiye involved and embedded itself deep inside decision making circles thwarting any attempts infringing on its sovereignty or ability to project. Today, Turkiye essentially RUNS Syria... did Pakistan even in its wildest dreams sought to drive someone in power in Afghanistan on the backs of a tank and delivered peace? Even the attempts were half-hearted and often plagued with conflicting interests within Pakistan or subject to international pressure. If Pakistan is to be the net security underwriter of the region it must reset the security architecture in the region conducive to its well being and delivering reasonable accommodation to all... an honest arbiter with the biggest stick in the region. It cannot be a laissez faire affair where one wishes the pieces to on the right spot.
The reason is simply because Pakistan never was an empire and never had aspirations beyond its confines... well then you leave yourself at the whims of those who do and have impetus.

 

[hydrabadi_arab]

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[Night Memory]

I have been thinking about Qatar’s attitude towards Pakistan. After the saudi defence deal, they didnt signed the deal with Pakistan but went to USA again. I think the Qataris are not happy with Pakistan being given importance in middle east affairs or being treated as the military leader of Islamic world alongside Turkey. There is sense of superiority complex and i smell bit of jealousy.

Now why would such a rich country like Qatar be jealous of Pakistan? Sounds ridiculous right? But think of this way, the chaudary of the village never wants its workers to succeed in life so they never let the kids of the workers study in the fear what if the start competing with them in future. I sensed unfortunately the same level of energy from Qatar. Deep down they wouldnt want to talk to Shehbaz or Munir or even give them any value.

A stable Pakistan is not in the benefit for a lot of countries beside India.

 

[Oscar]

I have been thinking about Qatar’s attitude towards Pakistan. After the saudi defence deal, they didnt signed the deal with Pakistan but went to USA again. I think the Qataris are not happy with Pakistan being given importance in middle east affairs or being treated as the military leader of Islamic world alongside Turkey. There is sense of superiority complex and i smell bit of jealousy.

Now why would such a rich country like Qatar be jealous of Pakistan? Sounds ridiculous right? But think of this way, the chaudary of the village never wants its workers to succeed in life so they never let the kids of the workers study in the fear what if the start competing with them in future. I sensed unfortunately the same level of energy from Qatar. Deep down they wouldnt want to talk to Shehbaz or Munir or even give them any value.

A stable Pakistan is not in the benefit for a lot of countries beside India.

Not exactly. The Qataris arent "unhappy" with Pakistan because Pakistan for now has Trump's ear or the Saudi deal(which Qatar considers a rival). They are unhappy because their balance of providing neutral ground is disappearing and charging everyone for "meeting rooms" is getting boring.
Qatar profits from constant conflict because it then can continue to leverage its role as middle man.

 

[Night Memory]

Not exactly. The Qataris arent "unhappy" with Pakistan because Pakistan for now has Trump's ear or the Saudi deal(which Qatar considers a rival). They are unhappy because their balance of providing neutral ground is disappearing and charging everyone for "meeting rooms" is getting boring.
Qatar profits from constant conflict because it then can continue to leverage its role as middle man.

What benefit it does to Qatar to stay as a middle man? Why not just buy influence using money just like AIPAC.

 

[Oscar]

What benefit it does to Qatar to stay as a middle man? Why not just buy influence using money just like AIPAC.

Because then you can string along benefits for yourself as "Switzerland of the Middle east". Benefits including business deals, monetary gains when you facilitate something or plain security guarantees.

 

[Master Chief]

Incorrect. Turks were firm against both the US and zion in their support for a Kurdish state post Iraq war. Unless everyone has forgotten US had made promises that were later not kept ... partly aided by movements that ran amok over Kurdish territories which essentially hollowed them out for good. Turkiye involved and embedded itself deep inside decision making circles thwarting any attempts infringing on its sovereignty or ability to project. Today, Turkiye essentially RUNS Syria... did Pakistan even in its wildest dreams sought to drive someone in power in Afghanistan on the backs of a tank and delivered peace? Even the attempts were half-hearted and often plagued with conflicting interests within Pakistan or subject to international pressure. If Pakistan is to be the net security underwriter of the region it must reset the security architecture in the region conducive to its well being and delivering reasonable accommodation to all... an honest arbiter with the biggest stick in the region. It cannot be a laissez faire affair where one wishes the pieces to on the right spot.
The reason is simply because Pakistan never was an empire and never had aspirations beyond its confines... well then you leave yourself at the whims of those who do and have impetus.

Fantastic post. We need to deploy the Turkish Syria strategy in Afghanistan.

You forgot to mention that Russia also actively worked against Turkiye in Syria, similarly to USA.

There is no reason that we should not at least try to challenge Hindustan in Afghanistan.

 

[gamaji]

Incorrect. Turks were firm against both the US and zion in their support for a Kurdish state post Iraq war. Unless everyone has forgotten US had made promises that were later not kept ... partly aided by movements that ran amok over Kurdish territories which essentially hollowed them out for good. Turkiye involved and embedded itself deep inside decision making circles thwarting any attempts infringing on its sovereignty or ability to project. Today, Turkiye essentially RUNS Syria... did Pakistan even in its wildest dreams sought to drive someone in power in Afghanistan on the backs of a tank and delivered peace? Even the attempts were half-hearted and often plagued with conflicting interests within Pakistan or subject to international pressure. If Pakistan is to be the net security underwriter of the region it must reset the security architecture in the region conducive to its well being and delivering reasonable accommodation to all... an honest arbiter with the biggest stick in the region. It cannot be a laissez faire affair where one wishes the pieces to on the right spot.
The reason is simply because Pakistan never was an empire and never had aspirations beyond its confines... well then you leave yourself at the whims of those who do and have impetus.

I don't think you really understand how garve existential threat Pakistan is facing. No other Muslim country is facing such a cunning, mean, deceptive, and as bigger an enemy across the border as Pakistan is doing with India. I don't want to spend time on describing the obvious.

 

[Master Chief]

Not exactly. The Qataris arent "unhappy" with Pakistan because Pakistan for now has Trump's ear or the Saudi deal(which Qatar considers a rival). They are unhappy because their balance of providing neutral ground is disappearing and charging everyone for "meeting rooms" is getting boring.
Qatar profits from constant conflict because it then can continue to leverage its role as middle man.

They're a joke of a nation state. They think they are Switzerland of the middle east but on what basis I do not know. All they do is provide refuge for the region's pariah elements. And they can't even guarantee that refuge if Israel decides to act.

 

[Master Chief]

I have been thinking about Qatar’s attitude towards Pakistan. After the saudi defence deal, they didnt signed the deal with Pakistan but went to USA again. I think the Qataris are not happy with Pakistan being given importance in middle east affairs or being treated as the military leader of Islamic world alongside Turkey. There is sense of superiority complex and i smell bit of jealousy.

Now why would such a rich country like Qatar be jealous of Pakistan? Sounds ridiculous right? But think of this way, the chaudary of the village never wants its workers to succeed in life so they never let the kids of the workers study in the fear what if the start competing with them in future. I sensed unfortunately the same level of energy from Qatar. Deep down they wouldnt want to talk to Shehbaz or Munir or even give them any value.

A stable Pakistan is not in the benefit for a lot of countries beside India.

Simple Arab arrogance over non-Arabs.

I am simply stating what you yourself were alluding to.

 

[Oldenwisdom...قول بزرگ]

I don't think you really understand how garve existential threat Pakistan is facing. No other Muslim country is facing such a cunning, mean, deceptive, and as bigger an enemy across the border as Pakistan is doing with India. I don't want to spend time on describing the obvious.

Times x and you're talking zion... that has infiltrated every dissident, wannabe or critical group... with the whole collective doing its bidding... they effectively ran both Soviet and western block... communists and capitalists. They got away with literal murder broadcasted live for past two years straight.

India couldn't muster a SINGLE ally for their misadventure.

Well... as they say
To each their own!

Confines are for the blind who assume the other will toe the line. As it stands... it should be obvious NO ONE DOES! So start charting and stop following.

 

[Oldenwisdom...قول بزرگ]

There is no reason that we should not at least try to challenge Hindustan in Afghanistan.

We forget that Afghanistan for a long time has seized to be its own thing. It needs an anchor... drop yourself and it will seek another... which is exactly what has been going on... Pakistan cannot be a walkover... everything in Afghanistan and the region beyond must sit in a structured setup and pecking order... each confined to their parts and Peace enforced!

 

[battalion25]

Fantastic post. We need to deploy the Turkish Syria strategy in Afghanistan.

You forgot to mention that Russia also actively worked against Turkiye in Syria, similarly to USA.

There is no reason that we should not at least try to challenge Hindustan in Afghanistan.

Come on bro? comparing SDF or YPG or PKK to Afghanistan is criminal act of it´s ownself.

Afghanistan is a notch or 2 or even 3 level more difficult place to fight in then UKRAINE or fight against. You can´t compare oranges and apples besides they have approx 1m active forces as we speak who are battle hardened. 300.000 armed forces, 500.000 police forces whom have just been transfered into the police department from the frontlines 4 years ago making them actully more of an army then police and then there is the odd 200k volunteers that could even reach much higher plus they have the perfect terrain and that perfect terrain even expans into the Pashtun lands of Pakistan like KpK these are treacherous lands.

One more thing to realize is that they have also become way more tactical genius in conventional warfare and formations due to being in war for so long just look how they took the country in 12 days it was textbook chess play you can only reach that level of understanding conventional warfare via experience and knowing nothing else but war your entire life.

Understatimating your foe is a massive mistake and imho both Turkey and Qatar are pro-pakistan here and won´t allow a close ally to blinded walk into such a conflict that will drag that long and some serious quagmire.

No exaggeration or anything in an all out war Pakistan could technically speaking perish against the IEA but it won´t be a benefit to the IEA or anything but loss for both at the end of the day as India could sweep thru after these two have gone to war for 20-30 years straight