Pakistan-Af: Operation Khyber Storm

[side-winder]

Theory: Our army has been quiert abt the afghan op because there could be more airstrikes tonight or drone strikes

Why not ask your father?
Director Grd Tpt - Gp Capt Shakeel - if im not wrong?

Just kidding -- its very obvious we don't want to own the strikes explicitly and publicly -- so even your dad won't tell u anything.

 

[hasssanali8998]

Repeat and keep repeating until the threat is fully eliminated.

hope the guy in delhi gets killed too

 

[Tariq Habib Afridi]

And theoretically, if Pakistan seals the border with Afghanistan to assure security, disarms or arrests local militias, and deports Afghan citizens, would this be a problem for any local population?

bhai pak army is doing these since one and a half decade. e.g take khyber agency specifically tirah valley. previously everyone was carrying guns mostly automatic like AK47. i myslef carried them when ever i have to go there for my own security. now from past decade gun are banned mostly are taken by army but some have burried them under ground still. but that doesnt solve the issue. the issue is mistrust. e.g. in past one and a half month in one drone attack children get killed and some children injured of which some were brought to peshawar and admitted in the hospital. now the issue is local population dont have guns or sophisticated weapons as like Terrorist. when they came to your area you cannot resist them and you will have to provide them food but at the same time the mistrust is at such level that they do not inform army because they and mostly people there believe that those are army people as well and if we do somehthing the or inform army it is we who will suffer and they both wont hurt one another. in the night there are taliban and in the day you have soldier. now i dont totally believe this but this is what i have heard myself from these people. that is why i am saying you need to take the local people into confidence without which you cannot finish this disease. Imagine how convienient it would have if these people and army are on the same side with complete trust and they every time inform army when observe any TTP movements. within few weeks they will all be elimintaed with such support. even if you allow them AK they will themselves first shoot them.

That is why i am saying you need local support. then you wont need to do drone or aerial attack which also does collateral damage which is again going against the army if any innocent get killed.

 

[Agnostic Muslim]

And beloved cult leader.

Your ilk shouldn't cry when Afghans force Pakistan to continue to climb the escalation ladder if they're so used to "firecrackers".

Don't forget the vastly disproportionate level of firepower, I think there are a few examples of what happens when an industrial machine removes any ethnical limitations to its operations

Can you all stop trolling and attacking PTI and PTI supporters?

Disgaree with those who want a different approach, but do so rationally and with civility. The Pakistanis on this forum are here because they care about the country as much as you do, but want a different direction.

And you think Pakistan will sit back? This is new normal. And I'm sure Taliban leaders are very scared of their lives. The average taliban terrorist? No because he is brainwashed with 72 hoors in after life and is ready to end his miserable life. But taliban leadership and their families live good.

He said nothing about ‘sitting back’, he merely offered words of caution on what could come next, as have others.

 

[Owaiz]

Try telling that to the families of the 30 odd troops we lost this week alone.

How is that even remotely relevant to the question I asked.

I understand attacking deep inside Afghanistan might feel cathartic , but how exactly does it hurt India very badly, leave aside at all.

Do you think Indian planners would prefer Pakistan to have friendly relations with Afghanistan or for Pakistan to carry out attacks against them. Will RAW cry over Afghans or TTP getting killed by Pakistani bombs and missiles or rub their hands with glee at the opportunity to create more fitna at very little cost to India ?

 

[Master Chief]

bhai pak army is doing these since one and a half decade. e.g take khyber agency specifically tirah valley. previously everyone was carrying guns mostly automatic like AK47. i myslef carried them when ever i have to go there for my own security. now from past decade gun are banned mostly are taken by army but some have burried them under ground still. but that doesnt solve the issue. the issue is mistrust. e.g. in past one and a half month in one drone attack children get killed and some children injured of which some were brought to peshawar and admitted in the hospital. now the issue is local population dont have guns or sophisticated weapons as like Terrorist. when they came to your area you cannot resist them and you will have to provide them food but at the same time the mistrust is at such level that they do not inform army because they and mostly people there believe that those are army people as well and if we do somehthing the or inform army it is we who will suffer and they both wont hurt one another. in the night there are taliban and in the day you have soldier. now i dont totally believe this but this is what i have heard myself from these people. that is why i am saying you need to take the local people into confidence without which you cannot finish this disease. Imagine how convienient it would have if these people and army are on the same side with complete trust and they every time inform army when observe any TTP movements. within few weeks they will all be elimintaed with such support. even if you allow them AK they will themselves first shoot them

This is not true. The border has never been hard sealed.

Theoretically, if we could put a wall down, remove all Afghan nationals, and disarm or arrest any militias (and outlaw jirgas but that is just my personal preference), I don't see why locals should object. Indeed, it would remove a tremendous social burden on society - these actions would benefit the local population of Pakistanis.

 

[NationalistPKDude132]

Why not ask your father?
Director Grd Tpt - Gp Capt Shakeel - if im not wrong?

Just kidding -- its very obvious we don't want to own the strikes explicitly and publicly -- so even your dad won't tell u anything.

yes that is my father wow!

 

[Owaiz]

What are you talking about?

If Delhi and the Kabul regime are allied against Pakistani interests, then clearly, harming one of this biumvirate will also hinder the other.

It is not clear to me at all. Please explain in specific detail how exactly Pakistan getting deeply entangled in a direct confrontation with Afghanistan hurts India very badly when RAW's primary objective is to keep Pakistan bogged down in internal insurgencies and conflicts with Afghanistan and Iran.

 

[Yasser76]

How is that even remotely relevant to the question I asked.

I understand attacking deep inside Afghanistan might feel cathartic , but how exactly does it hurt India very badly, leave aside at all.

Do you think Indian planners would prefer Pakistan to have friendly relations with Afghanistan or for Pakistan to carry out attacks against them. Will RAW cry over Afghans or TTP getting killed by Pakistani bombs and missiles or rub their hands with glee at the opportunity to create more fitna at very little cost to India ?

It is not about hurting India only, its about protecting Pakistan

 

[Owaiz]

It is not about hurting India only, its about protecting Pakistan

That is fine, but the claim that was made was that attacking Afghanistan would hurt India very badly.

 

[NationalistPKDude132]

bhai pak army is doing these since one and a half decade. e.g take khyber agency specifically tirah valley. previously everyone was carrying guns mostly automatic like AK47. i myslef carried them when ever i have to go there for my own security. now from past decade gun are banned mostly are taken by army but some have burried them under ground still. but that doesnt solve the issue. the issue is mistrust. e.g. in past one and a half month in one drone attack children get killed and some children injured of which some were brought to peshawar and admitted in the hospital. now the issue is local population dont have guns or sophisticated weapons as like Terrorist. when they came to your area you cannot resist them and you will have to provide them food but at the same time the mistrust is at such level that they do not inform army because they and mostly people there believe that those are army people as well and if we do somehthing the or inform army it is we who will suffer and they both wont hurt one another. in the night there are taliban and in the day you have soldier. now i dont totally believe this but this is what i have heard myself from these people. that is why i am saying you need to take the local people into confidence without which you cannot finish this disease. Imagine how convienient it would have if these people and army are on the same side with complete trust and they every time inform army when observe any TTP movements. within few weeks they will all be elimintaed with such support. even if you allow them AK they will themselves first shoot them.

That is why i am saying you need local support. then you wont need to do drone or aerial attack which also does collateral damage which is again going against the army if any innocent get killed.

i think what we need is to first eliminate the root cause of why these people even become terrorists. and thats by development

 

[Saifullah]

If war was eventually inevitable, should have struck them when they had the meeting in Kandahar. That would have been less risky and less bloody than right now. What would Taliban do when its whole leadership would be wiped out? That would have ended any possibility of foreign assistance to them on a political level as well. They would have ended fighting each other to take control of the country and Pakistan would be watching from the sidelines while they fight each other.
The top priority for Pakistan should be targeting leadership and playing their internal divisions as much as possible. The groups near the border should be drawn into traps and eliminated.
Taliban hide behind religion while not even implementing the version of Shari’ah Taliban 1.0 had. If they play dirty and support commie bla/blf while trying to act as Imam Mehdi’s army, Pakistan should do what Americans or ex Afghan special forces did. Show them what it means to be a real takfiri and watch Nangarhar and Kunar become their Waziristan. Taliban cannot fight an insurgency.

Afghan front should be won through hybrid war. A mix of covert and overt operations. The bulk of Pakistan’s conventional might should be saved for Indians if they dare to take the opportunity and attack Pakistan.

 

[Yasser76]

That is fine, but the claim that was made was that attacking Afghanistan would hurt India very badly.

If it foils any Indian plans that is a bonus, but right now troops are being killed everyday and these Talibs are complicit, possibly participating

 

[Yasser76]

If war was eventually inevitable, should have struck them when they had the meeting in Kandahar. That would have been less risky and less bloody than right now. What would Taliban do when its whole leadership would be wiped out? That would have ended any possibility of foreign assistance to them on a political level as well. They would have ended fighting each other to take control of the country and Pakistan would be watching from the sidelines while they fight each other.
The top priority for Pakistan should be targeting leadership and playing their internal divisions as much as possible. The groups near the border should be drawn into traps and eliminated.
Taliban hide behind religion while not even implementing the version of Shari’ah Taliban 1.0 had. If they play dirty and support commie bla/blf while trying to act as Imam Mehdi’s army, Pakistan should do what Americans or ex Afghan special forces did. Show them what it means to be a real takfiri and watch Nangarhar and Kunar become their Waziristan. Taliban cannot fight an insurgency.

Afghan front should be won through hybrid war. A mix of covert and overt operations. The bulk of Pakistan’s conventional might should be saved for Indians if they dare to take the opportunity and attack Pakistan.

Exactly this. If Israel can do this to Iran and Hezballah Pak should be able to with Talibs

 

[hasssanali8998]

the fact that they retaliated today tells me we did kill Mehsud , or else it would have been nothing like few weeks ago when we attacked them with drones