Pakistan-Af: Operation Khyber Storm

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[Blueishere]

Promise of heaven does a lot to a man.

Yup!
I am a Muhajir myself. But I, and I could probably speak for almost all Urdu Speakers/Muhajirs, would never resort to the 'resistance' which the tribals from certain parts of Pakistan do. I mean effing suicide bombing?!!!! Sindhis too her brutally crushed by General Zia ul Haq in the MRD movement of 1984 but you don't see them blowing themselves up, do you?!!

 

[Meengla]

.also I just can’t even get my head around the fact that the current leadership is installed by foreign powers who has history of hostile actions against the country

The current govt is NOT installed by America and there is immense amount of data availabe to support that assertion. But it was very nice for Imran to tap into the prevailing anti Americanism in Pakistan for one full year to create a bogus 'narrative' to gain the popular support, which he was lacking by the time of his ouster in April 2022. If he was popular then he would have used his Const. right as the PM to dissolve the Assemblies by late 2021 and call for fresh elections. But he knew he would lose the elections then. So he kept reaching out to Bajwa to try to stay in power. Those are absolutely historic facts!!

OMG, why am I am even debating these obvious things again and again?!!!

 

[hasssanali8998]

@RescueRanger i got it sorry for that wont happen again

 

[PakistaniDefender]

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Can we atleast get details on this incident?? What weapons are they using??? How many casualties?? Are we using the the much touted SH15s on them?? @Panzerkiel @Oscar @farooqbhai

 

[Irfan Baloch]

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this twiter/ X poster is a poisonous troll and full of hatred. I am not sure if this Afghan is Kabul based or somewhere in Bangalore.
but Afghans can shown their utter disgust against Pakistan from cricket grounds to social media and streets , so this guy might be indeed an Afghan.

 

[Agnostic Muslim]

Your right MQM may have had similar support. The basis of this is extreme ethnocentrism where they place ETHNIC KINSHIP above citizenship or patriotism, nationalism

The difference is, MQM were never that violent
MQM never hit schools or travellers or labourers

Everyone has problems

But not Kashmiri, sindhi, Punjabi or hell poor impoverished people across the world act with the barbarity that afghans and Baloch do, their is disagreement and then their is blood thirsty savagery


So you cannot move forward until these people change, because your situation is trapped

You could say investment is the way
But you are talking about long term plans with high costs FUNDED BY THE TAXPAYERS in the rest of the country

And those plans may take years and decades

And at every point the locals will respond with violence, jahilat, complicity with terrorists


So even the best laid plans will unravel with jahilat of this caliber



We need security, before we can make lasting changes and investment or attract investment

Ask yourself who would invest money in these areas, with these people?


Security is essential

We have tried jirgas
We have tried to let afghans and TTP to resettle with their families
We have sent politico
We have sent military leaders
We have sent ambassadors
We have offered trade
We have offered aid at times of hardships or earthquake


The demands these people have are in competition with basic Pakistani SOVEREIGNTY that we can never bow to


We have reached a point, where war may be the only option and harsh conflict to clear these areas and force these people regardless of the cost to behave one way or the other


We have real dangerous enemies in the hindutva and Zionists and Pakistan is vital in that war and we can't allow the endless fassad from afghans and baloch to cause chaos

I’m not arguing that the kinetic tactics used by MQM are necessarily identical to those of the BLA/BRA and TTP, rather pointing out that wherever a demographic group has genuine grievances and is suffering from poor socioeconomic conditions, you open the door for groups like the MQM/TTP/BLA/BRA to recruit local collaborators.

 

[NaqsheYaar]

Except the state of Pakistan never existed in those areas in the first place. The state extends its writ and control over those areas by virtue of Jirga's pledging loyalty to Pakistan. Everything is enforced by the tribal system not the constitution of Pakistan or more aptly the whims of COAS, PM, CM etc. Likewise the same is true for Baluchistan.

I'm not talking about tribal areas I'm talking about well established settled districts like Bannu, DI Khan, Lakki Marwat, Kohat, Karak.. they were quite peaceful cities previously, for instance Bannu was established and administered by Herbert Benjamin Edwards, an officer of the east India company, for the Sikh Raj in 1847.. that's how historically rich those districts are..

What I'm saying is that we are losing well established areas to TTP control, all because of the dissent of our own making..

 

[hasssanali8998]

Can we atleast get details on this incident?? What weapons are they using??? How many casualties?? Are we using the the much touted SH15s on them?? @Panzerkiel @Oscar @farooqbhai

didn't happen it was false , only retaliation was tirah valley ( 11 martyrs ) and police training ground attack ( 1 martyr )

 

[El Sidd]

I am a Muhajir myself.

Why did you choose to migrate? economics or communal persecution or was it a binding issue based on your belief system?

I dont care if you are a TT or a respected member, you will earn points.

I am neither. Can i continue to post?

 

[RescueRanger]

this twiter/ X poster is a poisonous troll and full of hatred. I am not sure if this Afghan is Kabul based or somewhere in Bangalore.
but Afghans can shown their utter disgust against Pakistan from cricket grounds to social media and streets , so this guy might be indeed an Afghan.

Sir he is Taliban mouthpiece of SM also has a meta page followed by some talib leaders. They have been hand in glove with Indians for a long time.

 

[Agnostic Muslim]

i cant when u ask question like these

Do you genuinely think questions about what motivates or causes people to collaborate with extremist groups is something trivial and non-serious?

 

[RescueRanger]

I am neither. Can i continue to post?

Did I warn you? Or is this a notice me senpai moment?

 

[hasssanali8998]

Do you genuinely think questions about what motivates or causes people to collaborate with extremist groups is something trivial and non-serious?

no i meant why would u ask who is making people anti army when its pretty clear ,

 

[PakistaniDefender]

you open the door for groups like the MQM/TTP/BLA/BRA to recruit local collaborators.

Sorry but MQM is a political party. They have a violent wing but even ppp, pmln, anp, pti(9th May example) have violent wings. Sorry for political post @RescueRanger