Pakistan-India Conflict 2025: News Updates and Discussion

[El Sidd]

No, they are neither powerful nor rich. They provide cheap indentured near slave level labor globally. 9 million work in the GCC countries. Indian ex-pat labor both legal and illegal is present in almost every country. Indian labor has turned up in Russia where they were promptly sent to the Ukrainian front and many were killed.
The world wants cheap labor and India is the prime source. Unfavorable news about Indian labor hurts not only ex-pat Indians but also those who want cheap unskilled labor . The image of the docile Indian slogging away has to be maintained and so those who have committed crimes are portrayed as victims rather than criminals. The unjust Muslim nation angle helps promote the narrative.
Not all countries are as forgiving or care. Apart from Russia, Saudi Arabia is one example :

Saudi Arabia Beheads 2 Indian Citizens. Amarinder Singh Says "Barbaric"

Saudi Arabia beheaded two Indian citizens belonging to Punjab after they allegedly murdered another Indian there.

www.ndtv.com

Government of India is very rich and influential. Rich Indians who live outside India are always helping their country.

Indians will buy lobbies and projection platforms and push the narrative while her war machine do the talking with Pakistan.

 

[Baibers_1260]

Government of India is very rich and influential. Rich Indians who live outside India are always helping their country.

Indians will buy lobbies and projection platforms and push the narrative while her war machine do the talking with Pakistan

My last post on this topic. ( with mods permission)

Would like your comments on this report :

US releases video of handcuffed & chained Indians being deported, threatens 'if you cross illegally, you will be removed' - The Economic Times

On Wednesday, a US military aircraft carrying 104 illegal immigrants, the first batch deported by the Trump administration, landed in India. The deportees come from various states, with the largest groups from Haryana, Gujarat, and Punjab. A video released by the US later showed the immigrants...

economictimes.indiatimes.com

 

[El Sidd]

My last post on this topic. ( with mods permission)

Would like your comments on this report :

US releases video of handcuffed & chained Indians being deported, threatens 'if you cross illegally, you will be removed' - The Economic Times

On Wednesday, a US military aircraft carrying 104 illegal immigrants, the first batch deported by the Trump administration, landed in India. The deportees come from various states, with the largest groups from Haryana, Gujarat, and Punjab. A video released by the US later showed the immigrants...

economictimes.indiatimes.com

The demographics are quite interesting of this Ghar Wapsi episode. India is closely working with the US to curb down on illegal migration from India.

 

[Goenitz]

I saw this interview enough to actually register on the forum and collect opinions of the members here (I have been a long-time guest of the forum)

The question I have is based on what the Indian CDS said: The tactics of the 7th were fixed on the 10th, and the IAF was in the air with force. What I'm curious about is that we claimed one kill on the 10th may day (I think) while the bulk of our kills are from day 1 (7th may).

If PAF had the edge, then why on the 10th did we not go for more kills? What would have been our thinking in just ground attacks from plans and missiles—but not asserting air-to-air dominance?

@Be dazzled @side-winder @RescueRanger
Was that the IAF launched weapons far from the border compared to the 7th?
I am just asking that bcz Bolhari damage is minimal compared to RYK. A 200 kg+ Brahmos explosive should have wiped out that hangar (assuming it was simply a supported beam, covered by metal skin).
Therefore, those Brahmos might have min explosive for extended range, like 25 kg?

 

[flyingorca]

 

[ziaulislam]

That’s nonsense … from all we know there is NO PL-21 yet.

Come on, we have visual images of another heavy air to air missile for over a year now..whatever you want to call it

 

[That_Guy]

I saw this interview enough to actually register on the forum and collect opinions of the members here (I have been a long-time guest of the forum)

The question I have is based on what the Indian CDS said: The tactics of the 7th were fixed on the 10th, and the IAF was in the air with force. What I'm curious about is that we claimed one kill on the 10th may day (I think) while the bulk of our kills are from day 1 (7th may).

If PAF had the edge, then why on the 10th did we not go for more kills? What would have been our thinking in just ground attacks from plans and missiles—but not asserting air-to-air dominance?

The ROE was "gain Kills, deny loss", which is a ultra safe approach to air warfare.

Basically, the idea is that the pilots are to keep a safe enough distance that they can dodge incoming fire effectively and with ease, while only going for kills that they can guarantee without putting themselves at high risk.

How was this achieved? Basically due to the two biggest advantages Pakistan has over India, BVRAAMs that out-range everything in India's arsenal (except arguably the meteor), and AWACS.

AWACS gave PAF a clea picture of the battlefield and allowed them to track Indian fighter jets and keep a distance, and Pakistan's BVRAAMs (PL-15) used the AWACS to find and hit Indian fighters.

Basically, PAF had a complete picture of the air battle, while India was essentially flying blind and relying on their fighter's radars.

There's now information coming out that PAF also had access to Chinese real time satellites, which would take Pakistan's battlefield awareness to the next level.

It was like a guy with perfect 20/20 vision with binoculars fighting a blind guy.

 

[Vox Non Dei]

Let me say something here.

2019 - Indian side claimed F16 was shot down
Pakistani said any 3rd party neutral person come and audit our F16s, we have done this in 1971 when Indian side claimed to have shot down mirage squadron.

2025 - IAF- we also shot down many Paf planes
DG ISPR - Show me debris of even one plane.

Now if you are hell bent to say nothing of value was hit in India what stops you from rubbing it in the face of Pakistan? Nobody can deny the hits at our bases not when the satellite pictures are there, it would be true if India shows pictures of all her bases claimed to be hit.

Well, its simple. Since Pakistan never showed any count of its F-16 in 2019 and let someone in USA do the talking for them; India also did not show much pictures and videos of its bases and let NY Times, WaPo and Stimson Center do the talking for them. Its the same situation.

You are more than welcome to go and ask neutral 3rd parties to do an audit of evidence.

 

[That_Guy]

Well, its simple. Since Pakistan never showed any count of its F-16 in 2019 and let someone in USA do the talking for them; India also did not show much pictures and videos of its bases and let NY Times, WaPo and Stimson Center do the talking for them. Its the same situation.

You are more than welcome to go and ask neutral 3rd parties to do an audit of evidence.

This is poor logic, and it was absolutely not how you claim.

 

[Vkdindian1]

Really?
No IAF aircraft literally came within 200 KM of border for next 10 days. Only a couple of days back did your aircrafts fly sorties (to go back to pre-deployment / peace time configuration).

No Sir, mostly it was SSM BrahMos. Very few instances of ALCMs after earlier attack of 6-7 may that too while ensuring, they stay 200-300 km inside your airspace. Unfortunately for us, the geography doesn't allow the strategic depth. Most of bases are located within 150-200 km from border.

IAF didn't even try to intercept our attack formations on 10th. Didn't even bother taking off. Leaving totally everything up to the ground AD systems.

After the loss of aircraft on day one, IAF didn’t launch anything and remained on ground. This statement is correct.

But, it analysed what went wrong on 7th and re-calibrated its strategy and was on full force again on 10th.

Most of the weapons fired across were air launched on 10th and not SSMs. They didn’t face any resistance whatsoever.

While I give credit to PAF for what it achieved but it was restricted to 7th May. 9th onwards there was a counter strategy in place and utilised fully by the IAF on 10th.

Air Superiority can be claimed if one can deny the adversary air power to carry out its missions. Which wasn’t the case.

The air activity of fighters now is for them to go back to their bases and is in no way indicative that they were stuck on ground.

 

[Vox Non Dei]

This is poor logic, and it was absolutely not how you claim.

Why is it a poor logic? Pakistan used exactly same logic back in 2019 and also in 2025.

 

[PakistaniDefender]

And some LD-3000 aswell please!!!

And Type 052Ds plz

 

[CombatCorner]

Well, its simple. Since Pakistan never showed any count of its F-16 in 2019 and let someone in USA do the talking for them; India also did not show any pictures of videos of its bases and let NY Times, WaPo and Stimson Center do the talking for them. Its the same situation.

You are more than welcome to go and ask neutral 3rd parties to do an audit of evidence.

Wrong you paid Tens of Thousand dollars to Christian Fair to peddle your nonsense but instead she rained on your parade.
It's become habitual for India to multiply claims as compared to losses.
2019, let alone the SU-30, even the loss of MiG-21 was admitted after a roller coaster and to sooth the loss, story of F-16 was created, now after suffering the losses of every frontline in it's inventory, a clown show of claiming 11 assorted PAF aircraft has been unleashed.

 

[CombatCorner]

Message is getting around .

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[TAC]

Anyone remembers IAF Chief's statement couple of week ago. How he claims IAF to be faaar ahead of PLAAF in terms of training and tactics.

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Clueless & full of BS in equal measure. The most worrying thing for Indians should be that he’d probably still be happy to say that & even more concerning should be that vast major of Indians would believe it’s talking to ’s, it’s a circus