Pakistan-India Conflict 2025: News Updates and Discussion

[Jeremy]

One issue I see all the time is that people look at specs and believe that's what decides everything. It can't be further from the truth. The Rafale specs do indeed look good on paper: 4.5 gen, SPECTRA EW system which is alleged to be one of the best, etc... But one has to understand that an effective military is based on an effective system of all the moving parts working seamlessly and together. What our Pakistan Military had that India didn't was a working system: data links integrated into a battlefield network utilising Al (Chinese based), effective use of that network to identify, track, and target Rafales, effective multi-layer jamming to confuse Indian aircraft and radar systems, The training of the PAF pilots and operational personnel utilising AEW&C asset(s) to detect Rafales and vector PL-15 missiles launched from J-10C to their targets was superb . What we were given by PAF was a best a text book Air operation you will see neutralising an opponent’s modern Airforce . Pakistani operation will be studied in depth and its validation of using an integrated systems approach using a battlefield network to use standoff distance and fire BVR missiles effectively, downing Indian fighters. The final thing is that Chinese weapons and battlefield network proved effective. The West is seriously underestimating our ally China and I don't think anything will change. The French are already offering excuses why the Rafales were shot down. The US still believes it can defeat China. Remember why we Pakistanis are righty celebrating JC-10 as a amazing modern fighter. Shockingly the J-10 and PL-15 are considered low-tier systems by Chinese themselves . western countries will now be worried Chinese have much better stuff for B-2, F-22, and F-35 stealth aircraft in the event of a war. I might be to cocky saying this . I strongly believe Pakistan airspace will not be intruded by the IAF for years to come they are now playing catch up if they ever can. India has in theory accepted its failure and conceded to it Pakistan’s airspace is not penetrable by current IAF they reason they ground their entire fleet after what PAF did to to it. . India will now be forced to go same route as Irans drones and investing in missile technology to hit Pakistan no risk to loosing its Aircraft in the future conflict

Yes, the J-10 made its maiden flight in 1998 and has since undergone upgrades. Additionally, the PL-15 began testing in 2011 and entered service in 2015. These systems represent China's earlier-generation military products. Therefore, they are considered outdated in the eyes of the Chinese.ᥬ᭄

 

[TopGun786]

Really??
From Kotli, Azad Kashmir bro?
I asked you because I also belong from Kotli, AJK.

 

[maverick]

Retaliation in Numbers, My Analysis:

: Pakistan dropped combined TNT explosives on India in 5 hours which was equivalent to combined TNT dropped on India during 1965 war … the retaliatory strikes were massive and unfathomable by Indian military command.

Pakistan Strike in TNT:

Pakistan dropped 160,000 pounds of TNT dropped on India in 5 hours, on 32 targets. Pakistani yield hitting target more than 90%, as Fateh 1 is reaching target at more than Mach 4, next to impossible to intercept as it primarily using inertial guidance system, cannot be jammed and cannot be intercepted.

Indian Strike in TNT:

india dropped, 60,000 -72,000 lbs of TNT on Pakistan in 4 days, using a combination of Scalps, Drones, and Brahamos. Pakistan claims that 50%- 75% were intercepted. lets compare how much of that TNT was effective, Pakistan successfully intercepted 2/3 of that Explosives, effective yeild btw 20,000 lbs - 26,000 lbs on Pakistani targets.

Conclusion:

This is a massive victory by Pakistan Military, due to intensity of strikes on India in terms of TNT.

 

[lightning f57]

Tells alot when an adversary after a nightmare show of its airforce on 7-May, jumps on multiple escalation ladder and resorts to firing SSCMs from land based platforms.

While Pakistan relied on its initial ladder of Fatah 1 and CM-400s.

The next ladder of Fatah-2, Nasr, Babur, Ra’ad, Taimur, Shaheen were not even deployed.

We all know why the Indians offered to deescalate and quickly engaged the Americans.

It was reported the Americans had intelligence of a major attack being prepped by Pak. Modi then ran to trumpy.

 

[Vkdindian1]

As i said earlier, you didn't launch only one or two on each base. And no one can intercept 100% missiles. I don't see any logic in your post above. Now you're only sounding like a troll.

The number of weapons is immaterial. The aim was to cause damage to intended targets, which was achieved by India. Very few may have been thwarted though.

To my understanding, India didn’t launch an all out attack but it was signalling to indicate the capability that it has to engage any target across entire Paksiatn.

i can exactly say the same in terms of actual damage on ground. Specially when comparing with the damage in air you suffered for everyone to see actual destroyed assets.

Yes you can. PAF had its day of glory on 7th. And the IAF later on.

 

[Vox Non Dei]

It took one pilot to India to start threatening nuclear attacks on Pakistan in 2019. Mike Pompeo is on record telling this to the world.

In the article you linked there is no mention of Mike Pompeo. Infact, Modi's nuclear rethoric was in an election rally. Months after Feb 2019.

In 2025, Indian side and US confirmed that there was no nuclear signaling from Pakistan.

My source is Reuters. I do not trust Indian media, and do not quote them. Not to mention, these statements are after the fact.

https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/pakistan-pm-calls-meeting-body-that-oversees-nuclear-arsenal-says-pakistan-2025-05-10/

Pakistan PM calls meeting of body that oversees nuclear arsenal, says Pakistan military​

ISLAMABAD, May 10 (Reuters) - Pakistan Prime Minister Shehbaz Sharif has called a meeting of the National Command Authority on Saturday, the military said, after Islamabad launched a military operation against India and targeted multiple bases.
The authority is the top body of civilian and military officials that takes security decisions including those related to the country's nuclear arsenal.

Bottomline is, you are another shameless person who is lying through the teeth to inflate your ego.

All I can say is, quote sources for your claims and present evidence. Do not go bullshitting and raging.

 

[Cash gk]

It is because it is a war between fanboys and bhakts. No one wants to give any credit to the other side.

Each side wants to claim full success and capability to itself and consider the adversary a fool.

Each and every weapon of the other side failed and own one’s became superman.

India failed to do anything while Paksiatn has done everything by the book and completely outdid Indians, in each and every department.

90% of Pakistanis on this website are not fanboys. If you ask us, we can give you Asim Munir without even asking a question.

 

[wgr2025]

India hasn’t claimed that all Fatah missiles were shot down. India doesn’t have that kind of capability. AD is deployed to protect key installations, both civil and military. And a missile likely to hit them are attempted to be neutralised. It is again not possible to intercept each and very often them.

The Indian spokesperson had accepted that few bases were attacked and minor damage to men and material. No OSINT videos are required to prove this aspect. When a Fatah class of missile makes an impact, it is bound to cause massive blast and fire affect. The same has been captured and distributed as proof of destruction. Missile hitting inside a base and causing meaningful damage are two vastly opposite things. Missile hitting a runway or missing it by few meters is all the difference between being lethal or not.

This is where Fatah failed to make any credible effect.

There could be two main reasons for that -

1. Indian AD was very potent and neutralised most threatening missiles approaching them, thereby reducing damage to key installations.

2. Inaccuracy of Fatah as a system. Is Fatah capable of striking targets with pin point accuracy or is it an area weapon? Was it just fired towards Indian targets with an aim to cause area destruction or engage specific targets.

Both appear to be true in part.

Had some other accurate weapon been used, probably, Indian AD could have been beaten and better results obtained for Paksiatn.

If India brought Pak onto knees on May 10 , had decisive upper Hand and Pak was unable to punish India for attacking its assets ( Assumption that Indian AD was in control ), Then question is why did India opt for ceasefire without any meaningful concession? For example asking Kulbushan Back or Acknowledgment of Palgam attack by Pak? or even Ceasefire announcement by Pak which did nt happen. There are so many things India could have asked while being a dominant force ( Supposedly ) on escalation ladder before choosing to agree on ceasfire. Now do not tell me that Indian Objective was to inflict cost on Pak and Strategic messaging. That had happened already in 2019 ( A new normal ). This time Indian public and especially Media wanted to inflict crippling damage on Pak defense forces and teach pak a decisive lesson. You may not agree with it but that was the overall mood and Environment in India pre May 7.

You did some damage to our bases and we shot down your jets including one Minimum Rafale the most sought after Platform by India in last decade and Half , then agreeing to Ceasefire seems to me a stalemate and trust me even Stalemate is a virtual Victory of Pak thats economically , Geographically at disadvantage and has defense budget equal to Rafale deal

 

[Bilal]

Now you're only sounding like a troll.

Lol. You think? They are here only to muddy the water.

 

[side-winder]

The number of weapons is immaterial.

No it isn't. That's one of the basic parameters to gauge the performance of an AD system.

To my understanding, India didn’t launch an all out attack but it was signalling to indicate the capability that it has to engage any target across entire Paksiatn.

Agreed. However, you definitely wanted to get some trophies on ground. Specially that hit on Shahbaz hangar sounded very personal. Knowing that the F-16s from 11 Sqn that did the shootings in 2019 were stationed at Shahbaz.

Yes you can. PAF had its day of glory on 7th. And the IAF later on.

If glory means not daring to even make a try of intercepting enemies attack formations on 10th and staying wayy inside your airspace. Then you're going good. However, good job to whosoever was incharge of launching SSM cruise missiles. Even though, it didn't achieve much on ground.

 

[Vox Non Dei]

Since you have no idea, National Command Authority also has control of our Missile program. While Ishaq Dar denied that a meeting took place, even if it did, they might have discussed the next rung on the ladder of response based on India's response which would have been Shaheen, Ra'ad or Taimoor, not necessarily nuclear. However Pakistan has stated many times that we will not hesitate to go nuclear if required so that option might also have been discussed.

This is Pakistan's news papers on 10th May.. I also have Reuters as source as well..

PM convenes National Command Authority meeting amid ongoing military operation against India | The Express Tribune

NCA is Pakistan’s top civil-military body overseeing command and control of nuclear weapons and strategic assets.

tribune.com.pk

PM convenes National Command Authority meeting amid tensions with India​

NCA is Pakistan’s top civil-military body overseeing command and control of nuclear weapons and strategic assets.

Now tell me, what is the message here?

To me it seems "Don't push us, we will go nuclear".

A mosque and seminaries resulting in deaths of innocents.

I never said India was right or wrong about those objectives, just they were objectives.

 

[Vkdindian1]

If you ask us, we can give you Asim Munir without even asking a question.

No thanks. Please keep your Filed Marshal.

I disagree on your assessment. It is other way around.
90% vs 10%.

 

[Abdul q]

90% of Pakistanis on this website are not fanboys. If you ask us, we can give you Asim Munir without even asking a question.

I ll tag lap topi with munira mistri… lap topi is equivalent to your major gober ariya

 

[wgr2025]

If glory means not daring to even make a try of intercepting enemies attack formations on 10th and staying wayy inside your airspace. Then you're going good. However, good job to whosoever was incharge of launching SSM cruise missiles. Even though, it didn't achieve much on ground.

The Fact that India Resorted to Using Brahmos Missile which is meant to be a strategic weapon so early in conflict ( well Short of Full scale war ) tells you how fragile Indian Defense Doctrines are. You make them Panic so hard on May 7 that they forgot that firing Brahmos could trigger Nuclear war , No way to tell if Brahmos has conventional load or Tipped with Nuclear Warhead. Such irrational behavior by Indian Military contrary to claims of CDS chuhan that both sides were rational in their actions. Pakistan made mockery of Indian No First Use policy. They just fired their most potent weapon right on 3rd day of conflict. Pak did nt even begin to use its own cruise missiles yet.

 

[Vox Non Dei]

The Fact that India Resorted to Using Brahmos Missile which is meant to be a strategic weapon so early in conflict

Brahmos is not a strategic weapon, it is purely tactical.

All of India's strategic weapons are controlled by Strategic Forces Command, loosely analogous to Pakistan's National Command Authority.