Pakistan-India Conflict 2025: News Updates and Discussion

[Zorawar Light Tank]

India is not on the same level as those countries, don't delude yourself with too much cow urine. Paks policy is ambiguity, rather like Israel's, so by your logic, we should denuclearise Israel by force too? Why didn't you try it on this occasion? What stopped you?

I never said that India is as militarily powerful as the United States—or even China, for that matter. What I said is that India is a major global military power with a vast and capable armed force. Like Russia, China, and the U.S., India maintains its nuclear arsenal as a symbol of strategic strength, not for actual use. The gap between India and China—and between China and the U.S.—will gradually narrow over time. India is currently the fastest-growing major economy in the world

 

[Windjammer]

Gallentry medals will be given to 15 16 and 24 sqdn

Let's hope those Beidu Satellite images will also be shared

 

[ghazi52]

 

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[Distant_Observer]

Any loss of military assets in India cannot be concealed. If there had been any damage to the S-400 system, Indian military and government would have been the first to acknowledge it. India cannot be viewed through a Pakistani lens, where the military holds dominant control over the state. Culturally and structurally, India is fundamentally different from Pakistan.

India had Israeli military advisors behind the scenes.

In the end Pakistan ended up turning India into Hezbollah after dominating their airspace and they resorted to lobbing some missiles in desperation

I can only imagine the insults and slurs aimed at India in western circles. Truly are pathetic. Pakistan was always the stronger military and cultural power. Even before Pakistan, in its other iterations.

 

[Corax]

I never said that India is as militarily powerful as the United States—or even China, for that matter. What I said is that India is a major global military power with a vast and capable armed force. Like Russia, China, and the U.S., India maintains its nuclear arsenal as a symbol of strategic strength, not for actual use. The gap between India and China—and between China and the U.S.—will gradually narrow over time. India is currently the fastest-growing major economy in the world

Boy, your high and might "suppa parwaaa" sure did show it's capability...or lack thereof. If you don't attack Pakistan, to the point where it's existence is threatened, through conventional means, there won't be a nuclear exchange. I'm asking you for umpteenth time, why did you enact your "strategy" to denuclearise Pakistan on this occasion? You keep avoiding the question.

 

[NationalistPKDude132]

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Really what indians need to do first and foremost is

LEAVE US ALONE

 

[Vkdindian1]

This are the words from Saad.
“Analysts from both sides are looking at the dithering after the counter air ops on part of Pak and deriving meaning that’s entirely disconnected from where Pak stands today.

Pak analysts: Pak was acting rational and didn’t want to start a regional conflict.

Indians: Pak dithered, and then did not respond to second wave of attacks, hence proven that a strategic cost can be implied on Pak.

A third opinion and this is just my pov:

1. There’re arguably very few forces on the planet that can interdict entirety of projectile salvos thrown at them. A certain middle eastern nation with the best possible layered AD needed support from 5 different nations in order to interdict a mass attack missile attack.

2. Pak dithered. Yes. But not out of some strategic reasons but due to its own fractured internal security and political situation. Pak analysts are mostly describing a disconnected reality when they describe just one facet of this reality.

Let’s look at the systems used: BBRA ammo at LOC, rudimentary rocket artillery in shape of F-1 and the very basic and very noisy Yiha-3 drones. The only high end system used was CM400AKG.

Which is also why most BDA from Pak side has been left wanting. Now, either Pak has access to realtime satellite based ISR or it doesn’t. If it’s argued that it does, even via the Chinese then why is there little to no BDA? Not even via commercial Chinese companies. Well I’d leave that answer up to you folks.

Food for thought: Pak did not even attempt to resort to the vast plethora of systems available to it: A100/F2/RAAD 1,2/Taimur or BREK or Akinci based LR munition et al. This is in stark contrast to other side using everything from Warmate to Brahmos to Scalp and Rampage. So, anyone who thinks that Pak needed some new system before being able to respond in kind, has no idea what they’re talking about.

What started off as a mere over LOC strike in 2016 has in less than 10 years graduated into full blown A2G munition landing in Pak proper.

If the internal security calculus is simply unable or incapable of calculating the overall cost of such fall of conventional deterrence in less than 10 years, across multiple govs then what does that tell you?

You won’t find Pak analysts try and answer this question.”

Some pertinent questions to which the answers are likely to be in the form of jokes or just chest thumping with cheap memes.

 

[NationalistPKDude132]

India had Israeli military advisors behind the scenes.

In the end Pakistan ended up turning India into Hezbollah after dominating their airspace and they resorted to lobbing some missiles in desperation

I can only imagine the insults and slurs aimed at India in western circles.

We really should make some ICBM's like for real if these israelis want some panga with us and we are backed by chinese aswell
If these mofos were involved in India attacking pakistan then we really need ICBM's as deterrence.

We need to fix our economy too to earn respect at the global stage and increase defense spending

 

[Fatman17]

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Please use a little less X because majority of the news is fake.

 

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[Trailer23]

Any loss of military assets in India cannot be concealed. If there had been any damage to the S-400 system, Indian military and government would have been the first to acknowledge it.

B.S. !
You guys had been hiding your jet losses from Day Damn 1. In your Tri-Service Presser, when the Journalist asked about the losses on the IAF side, your Air Force DGMO dodged the question by turning it into a Question. Then he said that all Pilots returned back, safely.

Did you see the wreckage of the Su-30's Saturn AL-31FP Engine that was being recorded by your (idiot) BSF Soilder? What a Hot Dog. Give him a Medal .

And where did the Safran M88 engine come from lying in the field. Prior to India getting the Rafale, Dassualt never lost a single one.

Oh & one of your pilots parked a Mirage 2000 in a School, in Pulwama.

There were pieces of a Rafale in someone's backyard - in Jammu/Kashmir.

Its only because your CDS, that Chuhan fellow spilled the beans in a foreign Country & that too in front of Bloomberg.



Two of your S-400's have gone Bye-Bye, regardless of how you try to spin it.

Audio of one of our FlyBoys named: Z........

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India cannot be viewed through a Pakistani lens, where the military holds dominant control over the state.

No, you can only be viewed as a Hindu dominant control.

Just ask the Muslims how their Eid is going with restrictions that are being imposed - unofficially.

In all honesty, that is your internal problem.

Culturally and structurally, India is fundamentally different from Pakistan.

Yes, that is the 1 thing we both can agree on. And thank Al' Mighty Allah (and later Jinnah) for that.

 

[Fatman17]

Any loss of military assets in India cannot be concealed. If there had been any damage to the S-400 system, Indian military and government would have been the first to acknowledge it. India cannot be viewed through a Pakistani lens, where the military holds dominant control over the state. Culturally and structurally, India is fundamentally different from Pakistan.

Good one!

 

[Corax]

This are the words from Saad.
“Analysts from both sides are looking at the dithering after the counter air ops on part of Pak and deriving meaning that’s entirely disconnected from where Pak stands today.

Pak analysts: Pak was acting rational and didn’t want to start a regional conflict.

Indians: Pak dithered, and then did not respond to second wave of attacks, hence proven that a strategic cost can be implied on Pak.

A third opinion and this is just my pov:

1. There’re arguably very few forces on the planet that can interdict entirety of projectile salvos thrown at them. A certain middle eastern nation with the best possible layered AD needed support from 5 different nations in order to interdict a mass attack missile attack.

2. Pak dithered. Yes. But not out of some strategic reasons but due to its own fractured internal security and political situation. Pak analysts are mostly describing a disconnected reality when they describe just one facet of this reality.

Let’s look at the systems used: BBRA ammo at LOC, rudimentary rocket artillery in shape of F-1 and the very basic and very noisy Yiha-3 drones. The only high end system used was CM400AKG.

Which is also why most BDA from Pak side has been left wanting. Now, either Pak has access to realtime satellite based ISR or it doesn’t. If it’s argued that it does, even via the Chinese then why is there little to no BDA? Not even via commercial Chinese companies. Well I’d leave that answer up to you folks.

Food for thought: Pak did not even attempt to resort to the vast plethora of systems available to it: A100/F2/RAAD 1,2/Taimur or BREK or Akinci based LR munition et al. This is in stark contrast to other side using everything from Warmate to Brahmos to Scalp and Rampage. So, anyone who thinks that Pak needed some new system before being able to respond in kind, has no idea what they’re talking about.

What started off as a mere over LOC strike in 2016 has in less than 10 years graduated into full blown A2G munition landing in Pak proper.

If the internal security calculus is simply unable or incapable of calculating the overall cost of such fall of conventional deterrence in less than 10 years, across multiple govs then what does that tell you?

You won’t find Pak analysts try and answer this question.”

Some pertinent questions to which the answers are likely to be in the form of jokes or just chest thumping with cheap memes.

I agree with all that, Pak dithered and didn't respond with adequate force in time, that's party due to the idiots in power, and partly due to worrying about escalating too much. What's your point? You say India had the right not to escalate but Pakistan didn't?! You're being a hypocritical bakht fanboy.

 

[Fatman17]

This are the words from Saad.
“Analysts from both sides are looking at the dithering after the counter air ops on part of Pak and deriving meaning that’s entirely disconnected from where Pak stands today.

Pak analysts: Pak was acting rational and didn’t want to start a regional conflict.

Indians: Pak dithered, and then did not respond to second wave of attacks, hence proven that a strategic cost can be implied on Pak.

A third opinion and this is just my pov:

1. There’re arguably very few forces on the planet that can interdict entirety of projectile salvos thrown at them. A certain middle eastern nation with the best possible layered AD needed support from 5 different nations in order to interdict a mass attack missile attack.

2. Pak dithered. Yes. But not out of some strategic reasons but due to its own fractured internal security and political situation. Pak analysts are mostly describing a disconnected reality when they describe just one facet of this reality.

Let’s look at the systems used: BBRA ammo at LOC, rudimentary rocket artillery in shape of F-1 and the very basic and very noisy Yiha-3 drones. The only high end system used was CM400AKG.

Which is also why most BDA from Pak side has been left wanting. Now, either Pak has access to realtime satellite based ISR or it doesn’t. If it’s argued that it does, even via the Chinese then why is there little to no BDA? Not even via commercial Chinese companies. Well I’d leave that answer up to you folks.

Food for thought: Pak did not even attempt to resort to the vast plethora of systems available to it: A100/F2/RAAD 1,2/Taimur or BREK or Akinci based LR munition et al. This is in stark contrast to other side using everything from Warmate to Brahmos to Scalp and Rampage. So, anyone who thinks that Pak needed some new system before being able to respond in kind, has no idea what they’re talking about.

What started off as a mere over LOC strike in 2016 has in less than 10 years graduated into full blown A2G munition landing in Pak proper.

If the internal security calculus is simply unable or incapable of calculating the overall cost of such fall of conventional deterrence in less than 10 years, across multiple govs then what does that tell you?

You won’t find Pak analysts try and answer this question.”

Some pertinent questions to which the answers are likely to be in the form of jokes or just chest thumping with cheap memes.

Our analysts have and are answering all the "relevant " Qs. FYI