Pakistan-India Conflict 2025: News Updates and Discussion

[Meengla]

Look at what your Modi did. United Pakistan and brought China, Türkiye and others closer to Pakistan.

India's has been THE worst foreign policy of any major nation in the world. Many Indian analysts are now emboldened to expose Modi's failed foreign policy. Some are fearful about even a UNSC Veto as Russia is also largely alienated and/or Russia's reliance on China since the Ukraine war. Americans know they have India by the balls and will extract concessions.

 

[Vkdindian1]

Tell me the number of Fatah fired by us.. show is the wreckage of Fatah intercepted by your AD systems.. and then do a count, and then tell us what's the rate of success..

Good that you have still not taken back your earlier statement that we hit.. the damage assessment will come later.

So you want me to tell you the exact number of launches and the destroyed missiles but when it comes to you, the proof of damage can come later. You can’t provide a single image of damage to Indian bases but you want me to collect and show the pieces of downed missiles?

Very convenient?

I don’t need to tell you any numbers. Whether it was 1 or 10000 is of no consequence. They were supposed to cause damage which wasn’t achieved.

Also take note that Pakistan only used Fatah.. which is not the best weapon in its inventory... you used all your might.. Brahmos.. in large numbers..

Not my problem if you didn’t know what to fire to get the desired results. You fire a weapon to cause damage not to claim later I could have, must have should have etc etc.
India fired what it needed to and no one is claiming here - We will show the results later.

On a separate note, regarding the air superiority, your own journalist claimed that Pak jets were flying on Srinagar (that you call India proper now). Shut that journalist up like you shut down many media sources and independent international journalists on twitter.

Poor attempt to try and create a story based on what a journalist said. What were your jets doing over Srinagar? Didn’t you ask them to take some bombs and drop over the base? Or did they fly over Srinagar for a display. I am sure you would provide the results of damage later.

Please do some justice to your title of a Think Tank. You analyse and speak like a fanboy.

 

[HRK]

These were not the campaign of fake news by Indian media for TRP it was an state backed, guided & supervised disinformation campaign to initiate and sustain panic among the Pakistani citizens, in short "a classic media war of WW-II era" It used to be effective during that time due to lack of widespread resources of communications and social connectivity, but to my surprise usually during WW-II Russian and Germans both used it in collaboration with their military operations and objectives.

But during the recent aggression of India in May-2025 actual action from military perspective was missing infact India was trying to negotiate ceasefire during the disinformation campaign.

 

[Musings]

Modi nahi panga le sakta xi ke saath warna PLA inka bigar degi

Is there actually any indian who believes india can dominate china in a war

Look at the title and then look where you sre taking this thread. Anymore and you will ve removed from the thread

 

[HRK]

It's a damned joke, the state of "top tier" Indian media like ANI, Zee News, India Today etc.

What civilised nations would expect from sensationalist, conspiracy theorising, gutter press like perhaps Daily Star or NY Post, India gets from ALL its media houses across the board. Not one of these companies bothers with due diligence, either because they don't want to, knowing their ratings are better if they just create fiction, or because nobody forces them to in the land that lectures us about old ladies wearing purple ink, democratic elections and how the magical people are in charge. God help India because if the people really are in charge - this is what they produce.

These were not the campaign of fake news by Indian media houses for TRP it was an state backed, guided & supervised disinformation campaign to initiate and sustain panic among the Pakistani citizens, in short "a classic media war of WW-II era" It used to be effective during that time due to lack of widespread resources of communications and social connectivity, but to my surprise usually during WW-II Russian and Germans both used it in collaboration with their military operations and objectives.

But during the recent aggression of India in May-2025 actual action from military perspective was missing infact India was trying to negotiate ceasefire during the disinformation campaign.

 

[PakSword]

So you want me to tell you the exact number of launches and the destroyed missiles but when it comes to you, the proof of damage can come later. You can’t provide a single image of damage to Indian bases but you want me to collect and show the pieces of downed missiles?

Very convenient?

Learnt from you lot.

Every time the debris of a jet is shown.. despite no previous history of that photograph or no proof that it was AI generated, still you lot kept on saying "where is the proof". Very convenient indeed!

Secondly, there are plenty of pictures of your jets, engines, fins, seats etc.. but you failed to provide the number of Fatah missile debris intercepted by your AD systems. Onus of proof is on you because you claimed there were large number of Fatah fired and very few hit the target. Maybe, 8 out of 10 hit the targets, who knows. But fact of the matter is that even Fatah penetrated the heavily guarded airspace.

Thirdly, despite 400 kms range, we flew our jets and shot your jets down without even getting any response from your highly revered S-400. Have you ever realized if we were able to do that, what was stopping us from hitting your bases? And that's why we did.. without the full payload though.. the reason was to warn you that we are capable enough to hit you hard if required!

 

[Vkdindian1]

Every time the debris of a jet is shown.. despite no previous history of that photograph or no proof that it was AI generated, still you lot kept on saying "where is the proof". Very convenient indeed!

Don’t try to deflect a logical argument with whataboutism.

I had accepted the loss of Indian aircraft. I don’t take responsibility for everyone here.

Secondly, there are plenty of pictures of your jets, engines, fins, seats etc.. but you failed to provide the number of Fatah missile debris intercepted by your AD systems. Onus of proof is on you because you claimed there were large number of Fatah fired and very few hit the target. Maybe, 8 out of 10 hit the targets, who knows. But fact of the matter is that even Fatah penetrated the heavily guarded airspace.

Again a poor attempt at sidetracking the issue.
Let’s assume that none of the Fatah were intercepted and Indian claim of intercepting them is a lie and all of them went through.
What damage did they cause? Nothing to talk about and claim success. I a, sure that any meaningful damage would have been shown by ISPR in their briefs. And here you are claiming damage based on number of fragments of your missiles. Talk like a Think Tank please.

what was stopping us from hitting your bases?

Precisely my question. After the day one surprise which I grant to PAF, why wasn’t it done? On day one IAF bungled up big time. But you guys didn’t have anything to show after day one. If you had such an edge and you had destroyed S400, why were your aircraft not in air attacking Indian bases? You know the reason.

the reason was to warn you that we are capable enough to hit you hard if required!

I haven’t heard a lame excuse than this in last many pages. Especially from someone who needs to analyse subject with domain expertise. When IAF was striking all over and lobbed a missile 10Km from GHQ, this is the argument you have?

 

[Yasser76]

Don’t try to deflect a logical argument with whataboutism.

I had accepted the loss of Indian aircraft. I don’t take responsibility for everyone here.


Again a poor attempt at sidetracking the issue.
Let’s assume that none of the Fatah were intercepted and Indian claim of intercepting them is a lie and all of them went through.
What damage did they cause? Nothing to talk about and claim success. I a, sure that any meaningful damage would have been shown by ISPR in their briefs. And here you are claiming damage based on number of fragments of your missiles. Talk like a Think Tank please.

Precisely my question. After the day one surprise which I grant to PAF, why wasn’t it done? On day one IAF bungled up big time. But you guys didn’t have anything to show after day one. If you had such an edge and you had destroyed S400, why were your aircraft not in air attacking Indian bases? You know the reason.
I haven’t heard a lame excuse than this in last many pages. Especially from someone who needs to analyse subject with domain expertise. When IAF was striking all over and lobbed a missile 10Km from GHQ, this is the argument you have?

Easy tough guy, you were the one claiming so many Fatah missiles were launched and Pakistan lost the edge without any proof whatsoever.

All you have consistently managed to do is post wishful thinking on this forum about imaginary results India has achieved. Those in glass houses.....

Right now what we know is there is photo proof of downed Indian jets, Indian BJP and CDS have admitted losses. Some Pakistani hangers were damaged and a Pak aircraft sustained minor damage. Pak admitted this too.

Everything else has no proof whatsoever. Any concept you have of what the IAF may or may not have done and achieved is just internet gossip.

You lost planes and now your entire political establishment is fighting each other over the battle. Sit the f**k down.

 

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[PakSword]

Let’s assume

I am not here to assume.. prove that Pakistan fired large number of Fatah missiles and only very few hit the targets. You made a big claim, now prove that.

My point is not about the extent of damage, which is difficult to ascertain unless a credible independent journalist visits the sites. Anyway, that time is also gone now.

Prove... that the hit rate was low. Give me the numbers. We are giving the numbers of your jets. Show me the debris of intercepted Fatah missiles. PROVE!

 

[Baibers_1260]

Learnt from you lot.

Every time the debris of a jet is shown.. despite no previous history of that photograph or no proof that it was AI generated, still you lot kept on saying "where is the proof". Very convenient indeed!

Secondly, there are plenty of pictures of your jets, engines, fins, seats etc.. but you failed to provide the number of Fatah missile debris intercepted by your AD systems. Onus of proof is on you because you claimed there were large number of Fatah fired and very few hit the target. Maybe, 8 out of 10 hit the targets, who knows. But fact of the matter is that even Fatah penetrated the heavily guarded airspace.

Thirdly, despite 400 kms range, we flew our jets and shot your jets down without even getting any response from your highly revered S-400. Have you ever realized if we were able to do that, what was stopping us from hitting your bases? And that's why we did.. without the full payload though.. the reason was to warn you that we are capable enough to hit you hard if required!

@Master Chief @PAKISTANFOREVER @Meengla @TAC
@Vkdindian1 @Vox Non Dei @SoulSpokesman @Vikramaditya1 @harpy1 @veeru

Fatah 2 strikes:
Instead of quibbling with these "badly educated " , ask them why Israel after facing thousands of rockets and missiles from Hizbollah, causing an evacuation of 250,000 from Northern Israel along a large swathe of territory along the Lebanese border, refused a ceasefire. The missile strikes continued for months. Hizbollah had no satellite data to show missile hits but Israel had no hesitation showing missile damage to the world.

Why India being so much larger than Israel accepted a ceasefire after just 48 hours

Reason:

1. Israel knew it would ultimately win the war because it could track, locate and destroy every single Hizbollah launch site and kill their crew and commanders.
2. Israel decapitated the entire Hizbollah leadership from the lower echelon field commanders to the top level using ground operations, special forces, sabotage and air strikes.

Question to our Indian "friends " here:
Why couldn't India replicate Israel destroying Pakistan's Fatah launchers, command crew permanently stopping the missile/ rocket launches?
Why hasn't India decapitated the Pakistani leadership taking out the key command personnel?
If India is a "wannabe " Israel why does it accept ceasefires ?

 

[PakSword]

Easy tough guy, you were the one claiming so many Fatah missiles were launched and Pakistan lost the edge without any proof whatsoever.

All you have consistently managed to do is post wishful thinking on this forum about imaginary results India has achieved. Those in glass houses.....

Right now what we know is there is photo proof of downed Indian jets, Indian BJP and CDS have admitted losses. Some Pakistani hangers were damaged and a Pak aircraft sustained minor damage. Pak admitted this too.

Everything else has no proof whatsoever. Any concept you have of what the IAF may or may not have done and achieved is just internet gossip.

You lost planes and now your entire political establishment is fighting each other over the battle. Sit the f**k down.

We have got him. Let's not let him run now. He has to provide his proofs.

 

[Yasser76]

@Master Chief @PAKISTANFOREVER @Meengla @TAC
@Vkdindian1
Fatah 2 strikes:
Instead of quibbling with these "badly educated " , ask them why Israel after facing thousands of rockets and missiles from Hizbollah, causing an evacuation of 250,000mfrom Northern Israel along a large swathe of territory along the Lebanese border, refused a ceasefire. The missile strikes continued for months. Hizbollah had no satellite data to show missile hits but Israel had no hesitation showing missile damage to the world.

Why India being so much larger than Israel accepted a ceasefire after just 48 hours

Reason:

1. Israel knew it would ultimately win the war because it could track, locate and destroy every single Hizbollah launch site and kill their crew and commanders.
2. Israel decapitated the entire Hizbollah leadership from the lower echelon field commanders to the top level using ground operations, special forces, sabotage and air strikes.

Question to our Indian "friends " here:
Why couldn't India replicate Israel destroying Pakistan's Fatah launchers, command crew permanently stopping the missile/ rocket launches?
Why hasn't India decapitated the Pakistani leadership taking out the key command personnel?
If India is a "wannabe " Israel why does it accept ceasefires ?

India is a "Temu" Israel!

 

[HRK]

Not sure if this particular image has been posted before..
One of the Rafale which intercepted the PL-15 Missiles .

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Not sure if this particular image has been posted before..
One of the Rafale which intercepted the PL-15 Missiles .

View attachment 126524

Sorry it was not the evidence of a successful interception of PL-15 by Rafale Jet but the evidence of poor workmanship of French aviation industry.

Attachment Screw were loss and due to this only 1 engine fell down but Rafale jet fly back to the vase with one engine .

(NOTE: If someone is looking for logic in this post then please don't waste your time as I just reposted the argument of Indian member who posted it on this very forum when the pic of engine of fallen Rafale jet was shown to him)

 

[HRK]

Not sure if this particular image has been posted before..
One of the Rafale which intercepted the PL-15 Missiles .

View attachment 126524

Not sure if this particular image has been posted before..
One of the Rafale which intercepted the PL-15 Missiles .

View attachment 126524

Sorry it was not the evidence of a successful interception of PL-15 by Rafale Jet but the evidence of poor workmanship of French aviation industry.

Attachment Screw were loss and due to this only 1 engine fell down but Rafale jet fly back to the vase with one engine .

(NOTE: If someone is looking for logic in this post then please don't waste your time as I just reposted the argument of Indian member who posted it on this very forum when the pic of engine of fallen Rafale jet was shown to him)