Pakistan Missiles - Updates, News & Discussion

[Cookie Monster]

Brother, decision makers have to look at economic viability and what the system offers. your saying we buy hundreds of gliders that each of 'em cost around 15-20 million dollars. we literally can get around 25-35 S3 and around 50-60 S1As for that amount. The only difference between gliders and our BMs is, our BMs can maneuver in space while gliders maneuver in upper atmosphere. They perform terminal maneuvers our BMs can perform terminal maneuvers. There is nothing disrupting about technology unless you want to target united states, because such missiles only make sense than.

I’m not arguing for whether it fits the budgetary constraints nor am I speaking for the decision makers. My reply was aimed at the point u made that Pakistan doesn’t have the technical facilities to develop and test hypersonic missiles…
…in that regard…Pakistan can go the route with China that India went with Russia.

 

[Bentley777]

Those who made this technology got facility got gifted? what type of lame argument is that. Build it or if unsolvable financial constraint do JV.

 

[Sparten]

One important question: Do Pakistan have missiles in numbers ? Do we have tens of thousands or few hundreds of them? Anyone anyidea?

A hundred or so would be my guess.
We don't really go for conventional BM.

 

[Kermit]

You also need hypersonic missiles

Vladimir Putin’s forces have launched a hypersonic missile barrage at Ukraine as Kyiv attacked Moscow’s largest oil depot in occupied Crimea.

Ukrainian troops were forced to down at least two eight-metre long Kinzhal missiles fired at Kyiv while another hit an airfield 170 miles further west in Starokostyantyniv.


The Kh-47M2 Kinzhal is a nuclear-capable, Russian air-launched ballistic missile, revealed as a “next-generation” weapon by Putin in 2018.

Missile debris damaged the roof of a tower-block in Kyiv and a school was also hit by the falling wreckage after it was shot down by Ukrainian air defence on Monday morning.

Meanwhile, Kyiv’s authorities admitted one missile hit the “area” of the Starokostyantyniv airfield around the same time.

It comes as a Ukrainian drone strike has caused a major fire at the largest oil depot in occupied Crimea, forcing local Russian officials to declare an emergency.

MSN

Apparently, Ukraine is able to shoot down hypersonic missiles of Russia. (Kh-47M2 Kinzhal)

 

[Kermit]

A hundred or so would be my guess.
We don't really go for conventional BM.

That guess of the figure might not be entirely accurate.

As for conventional BM, Seeing Fatah-II and even Fatah-I as BM might be not that of the mark. Call em MLRS or whatever though...

 

[falcon34]

A hundred or so would be my guess.
We don't really go for conventional BM.

Nope, atleast 5-10k BMs. Remember shaheen series has strategic conventional role has well, our air force doesn't cover the entire indian land mass. if we look at current trent of BVR engagement, airforce can't engage targets beyond 5-400km. Shaheen series fills in that gap, 900km, 1500km and 2700 km.
America use to say iran doesn't have more than few hundred MRBM and look they fired that much in a single volley.

 

[mythbuster]

Things get very tricky and dangerous when a nuclear power launches conventional BMs against a nuclear power opponent ....it could be easily mistaken as nuclear attack .

 

[falcon34]

Things get very tricky and dangerous when a nuclear power launches conventional BMs against a nuclear power opponent ....it could be easily mistaken as nuclear attack .

Thats a deterrence in its self. Indians would think a gazillion times before they think of any new adventure.

 

[mythbuster]

Thats a deterrence in its self. Indians would think a gazillion times before they think of any new adventure.

Rational actor is not just a phrase for intelectuale self indulgence .....you don't want a nervous opponent , nervous hands can push the wrong buttons .

 

[Dalit]

Vladimir Putin’s forces have launched a hypersonic missile barrage at Ukraine as Kyiv attacked Moscow’s largest oil depot in occupied Crimea.

Ukrainian troops were forced to down at least two eight-metre long Kinzhal missiles fired at Kyiv while another hit an airfield 170 miles further west in Starokostyantyniv.


The Kh-47M2 Kinzhal is a nuclear-capable, Russian air-launched ballistic missile, revealed as a “next-generation” weapon by Putin in 2018.

Missile debris damaged the roof of a tower-block in Kyiv and a school was also hit by the falling wreckage after it was shot down by Ukrainian air defence on Monday morning.

Meanwhile, Kyiv’s authorities admitted one missile hit the “area” of the Starokostyantyniv airfield around the same time.

It comes as a Ukrainian drone strike has caused a major fire at the largest oil depot in occupied Crimea, forcing local Russian officials to declare an emergency.

MSN

Apparently, Ukraine is able to shoot down hypersonic missiles of Russia. (Kh-47M2 Kinzhal)

Still, the survivability of a hypersonic missile is manifold compared to other missiles. Of course, hypersonic missiles can also be intercepted. Point is to have a mix of different kinds of missiles.

 

[falcon34]

Still, the survivability of a hypersonic missile is manifold compared to other missiles. Of course, hypersonic missiles can also be intercepted. Point is to have a mix of different kinds of missiles.

Kinzhal is not a true hypersonic missile its an air launched version of Iskander missile, Hypersonic means Glide vehicles and Hypersonic cruise missiles. Kinzhal is none of the above. Its a maneuvering ballistic missile.

 

[Dalit]

Kinzhal is not a true hypersonic missile its an air launched version of Iskander missile, Hypersonic means Glide vehicles and Hypersonic cruise missiles. Kinzhal is none of the above. Its a maneuvering ballistic missile.

I wasn't talking about Kinzhal specifically. My point is that a hypersonic missile does have advantages.

 

[Sparten]

I will say to the many claims in this thread that "xyz is overkill"...no its not.
For strategic weapon systems you look at an enemies projected capabilities 10-15 years down the line. Whats overkill today may well not be then.

Our entire arsenal of today would have been considered overkill in 2004.

 

[falcon34]

I will say to the many claims in this thread that "xyz is overkill"...no its not.
For strategic weapon systems you look at an enemies projected capabilities 10-15 years down the line. Whats overkill today may well not be then.

Our entire arsenal of today would have been considered overkill in 2004.

Bro just look at what the iranian BMs did to Israeli AD, Indian AD isn't even that advanced. Our BMs are a cut above Iranian BMs.
Your talking like americans, for the foreseeable future Current BMs would suffice. Yep Hypersonic wind tunnels and studies should be carried on scramjet engines so that after 20-30 yrs when we actually start producing such stuff cause of Laser and other directed energy AD systems. Looking what iran has done, we've got at least 2 decades to research and work on cost effective hypersonic solution.

 

[Sparten]

Iran's experience with Israel has limited use for us.
Iran carried out a mass conventional strike. Since it has no real air arm to speak of. We do. The kind of strikes they employ BM for, we use aircraft.
Our main focus for BM, outside of corps level fires, is the nuclear role and for that Iranian penetration rate of about 1/3 to 1/2 is unacceptable.