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What about having YKJ-1000 commercially made system by Chinese company with only US$ 100,000/- each with capability to be produced with dual purpose technologies.

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Not my claim. An Army officer announced it in a program.
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Check the video above one. My guess is this beast. View attachment 196917

Maybe we should use the poverty advice on ourselves.. He also said "We don't have a Fatah 3"
 
makes no logical sense.

fatah 2 is smaller, lighter, totally domestic and similarly ranged
As per Google search related to this rocket system, it seems a good choice as

- It's range is quoted +500 km some sources even claim 600 km range,

- with warhead weight from 500 kg to 700+ kg (some sources even quoted 800kg figure)

- also some sources stated that it's flight profile does not follow simple ballistic trajectory

- But use some dual-cone nose technology (don't ask me I don't understand it myself) due to which it 'Glides on flatten trajectory'

- Although it's accuracy is stated as less than 10 meter but some sources even stated it as low as 3 meter,

- therefore with heavy warhead (up to 800 Kg) with near pinpoint accuracy (greater than equal to 3 meter and less than equal to 10 meter) it could be used in "Bunker Buster" role as well

So even though prima facially F-2 and BRE-10 appear similar in intended roles but BRE-10 is different and offer some advantages over F-2 system
 
As per Google search related to this rocket system, it seems a good choice as

- It's range is quoted +500 km some sources even claim 600 km range,

- with warhead weight from 500 kg to 700+ kg (some sources even quoted 800kg figure)

- also some sources stated that it's flight profile does not follow simple ballistic trajectory

- But use some dual-cone nose technology (don't ask me I don't understand it myself) due to which it 'Glides on flatten trajectory'

- Although it's accuracy is stated as less than 10 meter but some sources even stated it as low as 3 meter,

- therefore with heavy warhead (up to 800 Kg) with near pinpoint accuracy (greater than equal to 3 meter and less than equal to 10 meter) it could be used in "Bunker Buster" role as well

So even though prima facially F-2 and BRE-10 appear similar in intended roles but BRE-10 is different and offer some advantages over F-2 system
Another advantage i can think of is that it is adopted for widespread usage by PLA, which means in theory we could buy a lot of them straight from china. We all know mass producing such weapons is Pakistan's biggest weakpoint.
 
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Imo best way too see fatah V is substracting from pool of existing options.

Fatah/1 300mm 140km mlrs
Fatah 2 600mm 250-400km high end mlrs/TBM
Fatah 3 (likely hd-1) SSCM with 450km+ range
Fatah 4 harbah GLCM 700km+ range
Fatah 5: ????

Imo fatah 1/2 platforms already fully occupy lower end spectrum of detterence and are mature options that can have different rocket variants fitted for specific purposes. This family can easily fulfill roles
In 0-500km range over time with updated missiles.

Fatah 4 being a subsonic LO CM based on babur/harbah family is designed primarily for deep strike strategic target roles likely in the 400-700km range with cooperation in between ARFC,navy ,ASFC/NSFC this weapon family will likely have multiple different variants of it added to the lineup and used depending on mission, with imo older conventional baburs variants also being integrated under single force. With babur IB this increases range to 900km at current and very likely 1000km+ in near future. This will fill the subsonic, high tech,high maneuverability and stealth part of attack profile.

Fatah 3:
Theres not much to be said here simply because we dont know enough about it. We know that atleast its meant to be SSCM (very likely hd-1) in direct response to brahmos like capability. It will have to be in same range ballpark to be a true counter but this might not be too much of a concern. Unlimited by MTCR wether hd-1 or otherwise it will have to have 300+ km range likely 500-600km to compete with brahmos but



Abdali/scaled up F2:
There is assumption abdali is a 450km+ F2 with nuclear warhead but this makes no sense due to it having both extended range and bigger warhead in same body unless its a single launcher per TEL. This got me thinking that if this bigger version of F2 does exist or is just based on idea of a much bigger rocket then this version could fit 550-750 km spectrum of conventional detterence whilst carry 300-500kg warhead.

SRBM/shaheen I route:
PARFC is already known to use and upgrade existing platforms for its needs in regards to its needs. And seeing the war with iran they may realise they also have potential need of 800-1200km+ SRBM conventional detterent to hit deep inside india using vectors to augment existing babur/harbah/F4 in strategic deep penetration strike. This type of weapon is needed as subsonic options like f4 whilst being LO are still at risk of interception by large scale SAM deployments and being so deep in india existing TBMs likely wont cut this requirement. However Shaheen I is already developed SRBM solutions with facilities already established to be scaled up. This sort of weapon can be conventional modern equivalent of S1, being almost 30 years newer the technological advancements in size, weight and range would be massive, alternatively you can use this requirement to completely replace shaheen-1 with a mordern version, you can even put in a bunker buster warhead to reply to indian IRBMS or MIRVS like russian oreshnik. This type of missile would be replicating iranian model most directly relying on existing R&D and manufacturing base for mass production. We dont need thousands of these like iran but even a couple hundred are enough to increase detterence and take off workload from much needed CMs.

HGV solution:
This is just not happening anytime soon lmao. In fact even if PARFC gets it ill be pretty mad because we cant acquire enough AD but somehow have money to spend on large,expensive utterly unnecessary HGVs given our requirements for penetrating enemy AD which is so far not remotely good enough to warrant this type of munition. Meanwhile india is far from developing its own HGV and when they do we always have option to acquire from china.

@kimjongun @Panzerkiel @Toxic @Ak01 @Quwa

Id appreciate your insight on the matter
 
Imo best way too see fatah V is substracting from pool of existing options.

Fatah/1 300mm 140km mlrs
Fatah 2 600mm 250-400km high end mlrs/TBM
Fatah 3 (likely hd-1) SSCM with 450km+ range
Fatah 4 harbah GLCM 700km+ range
Fatah 5: ????

Imo fatah 1/2 platforms already fully occupy lower end spectrum of detterence and are mature options that can have different rocket variants fitted for specific purposes. This family can easily fulfill roles
In 0-500km range over time with updated missiles.

Fatah 4 being a subsonic LO CM based on babur/harbah family is designed primarily for deep strike strategic target roles likely in the 400-700km range with cooperation in between ARFC,navy ,ASFC/NSFC this weapon family will likely have multiple different variants of it added to the lineup and used depending on mission, with imo older conventional baburs variants also being integrated under single force. With babur IB this increases range to 900km at current and very likely 1000km+ in near future. This will fill the subsonic, high tech,high maneuverability and stealth part of attack profile.

Fatah 3:
Theres not much to be said here simply because we dont know enough about it. We know that atleast its meant to be SSCM (very likely hd-1) in direct response to brahmos like capability. It will have to be in same range ballpark to be a true counter but this might not be too much of a concern. Unlimited by MTCR wether hd-1 or otherwise it will have to have 300+ km range likely 500-600km to compete with brahmos but



Abdali/scaled up F2:
There is assumption abdali is a 450km+ F2 with nuclear warhead but this makes no sense due to it having both extended range and bigger warhead in same body unless its a single launcher per TEL. This got me thinking that if this bigger version of F2 does exist or is just based on idea of a much bigger rocket then this version could fit 550-750 km spectrum of conventional detterence whilst carry 300-500kg warhead.

SRBM/shaheen I route:
PARFC is already known to use and upgrade existing platforms for its needs in regards to its needs. And seeing the war with iran they may realise they also have potential need of 800-1200km+ SRBM conventional detterent to hit deep inside india using vectors to augment existing babur/harbah/F4 in strategic deep penetration strike. This type of weapon is needed as subsonic options like f4 whilst being LO are still at risk of interception by large scale SAM deployments and being so deep in india existing TBMs likely wont cut this requirement. However Shaheen I is already developed SRBM solutions with facilities already established to be scaled up. This sort of weapon can be conventional modern equivalent of S1, being almost 30 years newer the technological advancements in size, weight and range would be massive, alternatively you can use this requirement to completely replace shaheen-1 with a mordern version, you can even put in a bunker buster warhead to reply to indian IRBMS or MIRVS like russian oreshnik. This type of missile would be replicating iranian model most directly relying on existing R&D and manufacturing base for mass production. We dont need thousands of these like iran but even a couple hundred are enough to increase detterence and take off workload from much needed CMs.

HGV solution:
This is just not happening anytime soon lmao. In fact even if PARFC gets it ill be pretty mad because we cant acquire enough AD but somehow have money to spend on large,expensive utterly unnecessary HGVs given our requirements for penetrating enemy AD which is so far not remotely good enough to warrant this type of munition. Meanwhile india is far from developing its own HGV and when they do we always have option to acquire from china.

@kimjongun @Panzerkiel @Toxic @Ak01 @Quwa

Id appreciate your insight on the matter
Great analysis.
IMO ,
Fatah v should be a Tactical ballistic system with a unique trajectory , I would be more then happy if it has a MaRV.

HGVs are quite expensive and niche systems , they require high apogees too which is difficult to achieve in our scenario as India is very close to us and most interceptions would happen in the boost or mid course phase. iran has this "faida" that it gets to see most of its RVs striking the zio soil and not get sniped in boost phase.

Our strategy should be to use SRBMs /TBMs to overwhelm the indian ABM shield , they don't have that density to counter large ALBM , GLBM salvos.

I am more intrigued in the potential upgrade we should do of the Shaheen 1/1A platform . Its a highly versatile design and we have learnt a lot from it , wont be difficult for us to design some MaRVs ( iranians were able to do it) as we have a new RV on the Shaheen 1A .
We can pull a lot of variants from it but the catch is that we need to invest in it.

Only if we can mass produce the missiles to this level...I really admire DPRK in terms of missile production.
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