Pakistan-Saudi Arabia mutual defense pact: News & Discussion

[Raja Porus]

Why V corps? Afaik its ussualy western divs that go to ME and weve not done division wide foreign deployments in some time. FC can handle western front so likely 7th division will go

That would be the last formation tbh

 

[Toxic]

2 tankers might be for jf-17 . F-16s can also be sent but would be dependent on us and Saudi tankers

It doesn't make sense to deploy two different fighter types on such a mission since it would complicate logistics.

 

[Goenitz]

Great message, if more or new troops have reached in accordance with the pact (Note: God knows what that is)
It shows we have good relations both with Iran and SA
Also, it sends a signal to israel that even if Iran is weaker now, don't wish for great israel.

 

[Serendipity]

The makeup of the air contingent will reveal a little about the intentions. Dont need the latest aircrafts in your fleet to shoot down drones. Those may be needed as detergents against a Israeli attempts to sabotage. Indeed, it may be part of surveillance against false flags.

As for those talking about thinned out forces, isnt this a great solution for the strategic depth problem? You literally have air assets ( and bases they can fly to if needed) in a place India cannot reach. I personally am in favour of reducing the threshold of pakistans defensive involvement in the pact as much as possible to leverage reciprocity without getting involved in any offensive action against third parties. The Iran saga will end (hopefully sooner) or later, but keeping a low threshold to request reciprocal support vs India is very valuable.

We have gone above and beyond for Iran in a world wanting to wipe them out. Doesnt mean we let their agenda interfere with us strengthening our allied relationships where it matters most to us. Our other allies have been far more reliable , financially and otherwise, in supporting us in the things that mattered to us. Anyone pushing for us to give that up to suppport a country of external allegiance is frankly trading off pakistan for XYZ and needs to realize that.

Likely this will also test the technical capacity of Pakistani assets to interface with Saudi assets as well.

We are seeing progressive entanglement of interests of multiple actors which is a great strategy to promote stability overall.

 

[Ibbi32]

It doesn't make sense to deploy two different fighter types on such a mission since it would complicate logistics.

I dont see why logistics would be complicated. F-16s would fit right into reigional supply chains and i think those 3 c-130s are likely there for limited jf-17 support. If paf expects to send a strong but limited scale and timeframe mission

 

[iron shrapnel]

Mr Saudi King Sir, considering we're providing air dominance assets... When are we going to see our strike assets ?

 

[LeGenD]

If Pakistan can secure that corridor. This will means no attack from Israel on iran.

By ensuring no attack on iran from Israel using this corridor, you have actually killed the reason for any possible iran-Ksa conflict. So we can actually stop these two countries from going to war with each other by ensuring this corridor is not used to attack iran. So keeping this in mind, I believe the king Abdul Aziz airbase is the perfect station for Pakistani assets.

Also, KSA hopefully have realized that American bases are not an asset but a liability. So they may start shifting their strategy and start focusing more on Pakistani support instead of USA.

Now if KSA can just help us buy more J-10Cs and J-35.

Israel does not depend on the KSA to attack Iran. They use following route:
Israel -> Syria -> Iraq -> Iran. The US can attack Iran from different directions.

The US does not have any military base in the KSA. All military bases in the KSA are Saudi owned. The KSA allows the US to use a military base to conduct an operation in the region, if necessary. American forces are deployed in the Prince Sultan Air Base. Pakistani forces are deployed in the King Abdulaziz Air Base.

Pakistan cannot prevent strikes in Iran, Pakistan can adopt the role of mediator in this matter which it is doing. The PAF contingent is most likely aimed to defend the KSA as per its need. Iranian drones come to mind in the present but let's see. And no military base is a liability. They are designed to withstand attacks and can be repaired.

could be an indication that ksa is getting rid of the american bases.

See above.

Perhaps one point in the Islamabad talks would be rolling back of US bases?

See above.

sir thats why we need more bases to cover larger area . may be pfx with more range can help on it.

The KSA is huge. They don't need the PAF to cover entire KSA when they have a well-equipped Air Force to do that. If the PAF deploy F-16s in the KSA, the host can refuel them for an operation, if necessary.

 

[Salza]

What I am getting to hear is that, its an anti drone unit consisting of SHORADs, anti drone jamming guns/devices and couple of fighter jets for now.

 

[Toxic]

I dont see why logistics would be complicated. F-16s would fit right into reigional supply chains and i think those 3 c-130s are likely there for limited jf-17 support. If paf expects to send a strong but limited scale and timeframe mission

Because you would have to send different crews spares etc for two different aircraft .

 

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[Watandar]

I would have preferred to see the text of the Pakistan Saudi defense MoU first. Its not a pact or treaty as nobody in Parliament debated or passed it.

Having said that it is understandable that Pakistan has to do something to maintain its relationship with Saudi Arabia, a country that has provided financial support in the past.

So if PAF has sent fighter aircraft to shoot down Iranian drones, some AD equipment and AWACS to make up for degraded radar capability , those are appropriate defensive measures. Pakistan can additionally send 5k to 10k troops , who operationally won't matter but would serve as powerful symbolism and assurance to Al Sauds.

Issue is that the Indians are having very strong stomach pains over all this and are likely being advised by their Israeli allies to be "pro active". So watch out!

 

[RealNapster]

The IDF does not depend on the KSA to attack Iran. They use following route:
Israel -> Syria -> Iraq -> Iran

The US does not have any military base in the KSA. All military bases in the KSA are Saudi owned. The KSA allows the US to use a military base to conduct an operation in the region, if necessary. American forces are deployed in the Prince Sultan Air Base. Pakistani forces are deployed in King Abdulaziz Air Base.

The KSA is not looking forward to stop an Israeli or American strike in Iran. From where you got that idea, dear? And no military base is a liability. They are designed to withstand attacks and can be repaired

So, better. If Israel will not use KSA airspace to attack Iran. That's I think mission accomplished for Pakistan. Even if it's not intentional.

And regarding KSA not allowing USA to further use it's bases and airspace, I said "hopefully KSA realize it's more of a liability". I didn't made any claims with respect to KSA's understanding of the current situation. And if you think USA's use of KSA airspace and military bases is not a liability for KSA then that is your opinion and I respect that.

 

[maxpane]

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do we have hq 19? i think not

 

[Corax]

do we have hq 19? i think not

Could be deployed by China, manned by Pak personnel, given we're meant to be getting it apparently, so we may have already undergone training on it. Albeit all this seems conjecture at theoment.

 

[maxpane]

Could be deployed by China, manned by Pak personnel, given we're meant to be getting it apparently, so we may have already undergone training on it. Albeit all this seems conjecture at theoment.

sir i did not know about the training on hq 19 . though it was a rumour that China has offered us. i think if hq 19 is there so j 35 should also here in pakistan