Pakistan-Saudi Arabia mutual defense pact: News & Discussion

[Yasser76]

@Fatman17 @Musings My post on this got merged, as this is probably the most significant defence pact Pak has signed it is worth it's own thread no? Or at least change ttile of this one?

 

[El Sidd]

Good luck with the visit.

 

[Yasser76]

More news reports on this, seems like big news globally, people are taking it more seriously then most posters on here....

Saudi Arabia signs mutual defence pact with nuclear-armed Pakistan

Pact declares any attack on Saudi Arabia or Pakistan an attack on both, deepening shared security alliance.

www.aljazeera.com

Pakistan, Saudi Arabia sign defense agreement to treat an attack on one as attack on both

Pakistan's Ministry of Foreign Affairs says Pakistan and Saudi Arabia have signed a defense pact pledging that any attack on either nation would be considered an attack on both

www.independent.co.uk

Pakistan, Saudi Arabia sign mutual defense agreement

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www.timesofisrael.com

TRT World - Saudi Arabia, Pakistan forge strategic defence deal

Islamabad says that any aggression against either country shall be considered an aggression against both.

www.trtworld.com

Saudi Arabia signs ‘strategic mutual defence’ pact with Pakistan

Deal with nuclear-armed Islamabad comes after Gulf states alarmed by Israeli attack on Hamas leaders in Doha

www.ft.com

 

[Maea]

unfortunately there is no evidence of an s400 hit, but what there is evidence of is that india can effectively strike at our assets on the ground with near impunity-2000 brahmos stockpile is pretty significant.

I really respect your views, and i mean it.

But your analysis is flawed regarding tbe brahmos threat.
Brahmos were launched as result of indians panicking and having no decent options against us.

Yes, they hit our hangars and runways, but its not like Pakistan was at the mercy of indians, they too were being smashed. The whole point of fighting is to make sure that the cost (human/material) for your enemy is greater then it is being inflicted upon you. This is precisely what was achieved during the conflict. Indians wanted to create a new normal, but they couldnt bcz the cost of such a misadventure would've been too high.

PAF is not some super airforce. They have their good and bads. If we point out their faults, we should also acknowledge their achievements.
Going around like a headless chicken saying it was free for all isnt exactly accurate.

 

[Yasser76]

Some good details by the FT here.

Saudi Arabia signs ‘strategic mutual defence’ pact with Pakistan

Deal with nuclear-armed power comes a week after Gulf states were deeply rattled by Israeli attack on Hamas leaders in DohaPakistan’s Prime Minister Shehbaz Sharif, left, and Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman in Riyadh today © via ReutersSaudi Arabia signs ‘strategic mutual defence’ pact with Pakistan on x (opens in a new window)Saudi Arabia signs ‘strategic mutual defence’ pact with Pakistan on facebook (opens in a new window)Saudi Arabia signs ‘strategic mutual defence’ pact with Pakistan on linkedin (opens in a new window)ShareSavecurrent progress 0%Andrew England in London, Ahmed Al Omran in Jeddah and Humza Jilani in IslamabadPublished2 HOURS AGOUpdated20:1171Print this page

Saudi Arabia has signed a “strategic mutual defence” pact with Pakistan, signalling to the US and Israel that the kingdom is willing to diversify its security alliances as it looks to bolster its deterrence. The agreement with the nuclear-armed south Asian state comes a week after Gulf states — traditionally reliant on the US as their security guarantor — were deeply rattled by Israel’s missile strikes targeting Hamas’s political leaders in Qatar. “We hope it will reinforce our deterrence — aggression against one is aggression against the other,” a senior Saudi official told the Financial Times. “This is a comprehensive defence agreement that will utilise all defensive and military means deemed necessary depending on the specific threat.”The agreement was signed by Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman and Pakistan’s Prime Minister Shehbaz Sharif in Riyadh. Sharif’s office’s reiterated that the agreement “states that any aggression against either country shall be considered an aggression against both”.The Israeli attack on Doha, one of the US’s major non-Nato allies, exacerbated Gulf leaders’ long-running concerns about Washington’s unpredictability and its commitment to their defence, as well as fears about Israel acting unrestrainedly with its military across the region.Riyadh is believed to have informed Washington about the Pakistan defence agreement after it was signed.Saudi Arabia has a long history of ties with Pakistan, and, along with other Gulf states, has provided crucial financial support to Islamabad.Riyadh and Islamabad have for decades shared a tight defence partnership, with a former Pakistani army chief commanding a Saudi-led counterterrorism force in Riyadh.“We have been working on this for well over a year and based on a two to three year conversation,” the Saudi official said.He added that the kingdom was committed to nuclear non-proliferation.Riyadh also maintains strong relations with Pakistan’s south Asian rival India, and is one of its major oil suppliers. The agreement comes four months after Pakistan and India traded air, missile and drone strikes in a May skirmish that brought the neighbouring nuclear powers to the brink of an all-out war. Riyadh had been hoping to seal a defence pact with the US, as well as co-operation with Washington’s nuclear plans, as part of a grand deal that would have led to it normalising diplomatic relations with Israel. However, those plans were upended after Hamas’s October 7, 2023 attack on Israel, triggering the war in Gaza and conflict across the region. Riyadh has become increasingly outraged by Israel’s 23-month war in Gaza and the conduct of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s far-right government.Prince Mohammed accuses Israel of committing genocide, and has made it clear that normalisation is off the table unless Netanyahu ends the conflict and moves to establish a Palestinian state. Pakistan’s Shaheen III ballistic missile delivery system has a range of 2,750km, meaning it can strike deep into the Middle East © Solhail Shahad/EPAHe has maintained warm bilateral relations with the Trump administration, with the kingdom pledging more than $600bn of investments in the US and hosting Donald Trump in Riyadh during the president’s tour of the Gulf in May. However, there is recognition that Saudi Arabia is unlikely to secure the defence treaty with Washington that it seeks as long as a normalisation agreement is not signed with Israel.And while Gulf states are aware that they remain dependent on the US as their primary defence partner, analysts said they could seek to diversify their defence relationships over the long term in the wake of Israel’s strike on Hamas’s leaders in Doha. Trump has suggested he only knew about that attack as it was being launched, despite Doha hosting an American base that acts as the forward operating base for the US military’s Central Command.Israel, along Saudi Arabia, other Arab states and Pakistan, is a member of Centcom, and is the only nuclear armed state in the Middle East, although it does not admit to its programme.Prince Mohammed described the attack on Doha, which targeted Hamas leaders involved in negotiations for a ceasefire in Gaza, as “brutal aggression” that required “Arab, Islamic and international action”.

 

[the vicious kind]

Okay so here is a conspiracy theory just for the sake of it.... Saudis wanted to lock Pakistan in with themselves because Pak funded by other GCC countries and brotherly nations could have become a major challenge to have a say on... In this defense agreement, we might have the skill and the longer stick but Saudis can buy us more sticks if we break ours and consequently control us where we can and can't use our stick so it doesn't break...
So Shakeel O Neal and his Mama kind of a relationship.... Lol

It’s not rocket science, brother , this is what Saudi Arabia has always done. They cannot build a powerful independent army without creating an internal threat to their own regime, so instead they rely on “defense partners” and arm them with their billions. Those billions are exactly what we need right now to strengthen our own defense production and prepare for the upcoming Indus River standoff with India.

There are major gaps in our defense that remain unaddressed due to insufficient funding. We are in urgent need of hundreds of MRAPs and dozens of attack helicopters for the eastern border. On the western front, we require additional J-10Cs and HQ-9/HQ-16 systems. Beyond that, funds are desperately needed for a new battle rifle, modern IFVs, and ground-based electronic warfare platforms. Jinnah Class frigate, Sea Sultan program, etc. Frankly, we can use the money

 

[jamal18]

I don't want Pakistan to become a Saudi ally, it it means fighting pro-Palestinian forces on the side of Zionist Arabs.

Not a trap I want Pakistan to fall into.

 

[Yasser76]

I don't want Pakistan to become a Saudi ally, it it means fighting pro-Palestinian forces on the side of Zionist Arabs.

Not a trap I want Pakistan to fall into.

Only two countries will possibly attack Saudi. Iran and Israel.

Pakistan seems to have taken a side

 

[Watandar]

So the latest info on the israeli attack on Doha is that the Israeli place actually launched ballistic missiles from the Red Sea, the missile trajectory crossed Saudi Arabia and hit Qatar.

So if the Israelis were to repeat that act, what would Pakistan do in light of this new defense pact ?

Similarly if the Indians fire BrahMos into Pakistan, what would the Saudis do in light of this new defense pact ?

 

[side-winder]

By the way - though very unlikely - but what if Qatar asks to be made part of this defence agreement too?

 

[SiliconBit (silicon0000)]

maybe this yesterday call is the result of this Pak-SA pact. Trump ko andaza ho raha hai ke Pakistan phir khel gaya hai US ke sath

 

[bravo_1]

@Fatman17 @Musings My post on this got merged, as this is probably the most significant defence pact Pak has signed it is worth it's own thread no? Or at least change ttile of this one?

Actually i did create the dedicated thread but someone merge it..

 

[side-winder]

By the way - though very unlikely - but what if Qatar asks to be made part of this defence agreement too?

 

[the vicious kind]

unfortunately there is no evidence of an s400 hit, but what there is evidence of is that india can effectively strike at our assets on the ground with near impunity-2000 brahmos stockpile is pretty significant.

Indian aircraft wreckage ended up in civilian areas, which is why we have pictorial evidence. Do you seriously expect public images of a destroyed S-400 “cheeseboard” radar to be circulating online? SAM sites are positioned in or near military bases, and those areas are always secured and cordoned off. There is enough evidence out there, if you are patient.

 

[hydrabadi_arab]

More news reports on this, seems like big news globally, people are taking it more seriously then most posters on here....

Saudi Arabia signs mutual defence pact with nuclear-armed Pakistan

Pact declares any attack on Saudi Arabia or Pakistan an attack on both, deepening shared security alliance.

www.aljazeera.com

Pakistan, Saudi Arabia sign defense agreement to treat an attack on one as attack on both

Pakistan's Ministry of Foreign Affairs says Pakistan and Saudi Arabia have signed a defense pact pledging that any attack on either nation would be considered an attack on both

www.independent.co.uk

Pakistan, Saudi Arabia sign mutual defense agreement

* * *

www.timesofisrael.com

TRT World - Saudi Arabia, Pakistan forge strategic defence deal

Islamabad says that any aggression against either country shall be considered an aggression against both.

www.trtworld.com

Saudi Arabia signs ‘strategic mutual defence’ pact with Pakistan

Deal with nuclear-armed Islamabad comes after Gulf states alarmed by Israeli attack on Hamas leaders in Doha

www.ft.com

The hype is coming from Israel attack on Qatar. Otherwise this isn't even NATO like agreement. So whats new? We will find out by next year.